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Ok Colors,

I have to take back some of what I said. She was definitely lacking ALOT of fundamental knowledge of history that is really inexcusable for a person placed in her position. Not just obscure or peripheral knowledge, but pretty basic stuff!

Becoming Vice President in 2008?

It's too much too soon.

I cringed at the 60 Minutes Interview with former McCain campaign manager, Steve Schmidt. I can tell, he's being pretty honest about most of it.

Although, after reflection, some of it was understandable, when I go through the timeline in my head of how this all unfolded. Being stuck on "O' Biden" as Schmidt said, was a verbal tick, and lots of people have an experience where they just can't seem to shake something from their head... whether from nerves, or whatever other reason. I think that the Vice Presidential debate came AFTER the Katie Couric interview. She was already working on learning or re-learning voluminous information about big chunks of American and world history, cramming throughout, while stumping nationwide on the campaign trail, working 16 hour days, all this coming after a disastrous interview on national television, and also the revelations of her teen daughter's pregnancy, and some of the media had already derided her, for being an Alaskan, and knowing how to clean a Moose, and shoot a gun... her daughter was being mocked and attacked, with some reports actually trying to suggest that Palin was not Trigg's mother, the child with Down Syndrome. Another media outlet, created a parody suggesting that Palin's husband had sex with his own daughters.

I mean, this is YOUR media here liberals.

Perverse and DISGUSTING and FAR MORE INEXCUSABLE than her lapses on history.

In any event... She is a devoted mother, loyal wife, hard working civil servant, believer in God and the values that represents... To be verbally raped like that... all the pressure she was absorbing, and all of it, simultaneously... It's a wonder she didn't have a nervous breakdown.

I'll have to agree that she was not ready for an office like that in 2008, even though the role of VP for DECADES has been almost completely ceremonial... even still... Presidents die in office every few decades, and that job... President... Is already the most nerve-wracking job there is in the world. Everyone I have ever witnessed, holding that office, appeared noticeably older, dramatically so, just a few years into it. Even Obama is already showing it. It is inescapable... It's a hell of alot of responsibility, all under the microscope of not just America's scrutiny, but the world's.

But to deal with what she dealt with, and handle it with class.

I actually respect her more, than I did yesterday.

What I am SHOCKED about, is the ABSOLUTE dysfunction of McCain's campaign managers. What idiots!!! And now, disloyal idiots!!! What a bunch of bumbling, reactionary buffoons! They never had any real plan for McCain. McCain is expecting Lieberman as VP, his trusted friend, but the right-wing zealots of the party, couldn't handle that, so he was nixed, last minute, and they actually found Palin on the INTERNET!!!

F*cking bozos!

And now, they are being disloyal, sealing their own futures, because they need to blame all this on Palin, even though they SIMULTANEOUSLY admit that they would have lost be a much larger margin, without her on the ticket.

Dumbasses!


Well, Sarah's in training now. FoxNews is a good gig for her, where she stays in the spotlight... she'll get a great grasp on world issues, cause her gig is at a news channel, and even on the opinion segments she will be working, it will be current events, and politicians galore, and she is going to master the cut-throat, dirty world of politics, while not losing her soul, because her faith is too strong, and it will keep her balanced, while she trains for bigger things.

She may very well be President one day.

Ha ha!!! LOL

I can see your faces now.

But you don't know what I know!





Actually, you don't even have to know what I know. Her being at Fox, is an opportunity for Murdock to set her up for VP or even President one day. Some of you guys have labeled Murdock as a right-wing tycoon who only uses his power to support Republican candidates, but Murdock is more in love with his fortune, than with his own politics... which true... are generally conservative... but from his native Australia to here in the states, he has a history of supporting EITHER SIDE at any given time. He actually had a hand in helping Obama win the Democratic nomination, through his New York Post paper's endorsement of Obama. Asked whether he had a hand in the paper's endorsement, he replied "Of course! He's a rockstar! And what he's saying on education... I want to meet him... see if he walks the walk!"

Murdock has also supported liberal candidates over conservative ones in the past, in Australia, before becoming a U.S. citizen.

Whatever candidate he thinks will help his businesses, generally that is the one he is going with. He has a habit of supporting a candidate, then suddenly that person WINS and it gets alot easier, for approval of whatever business venture he is involved in at the moment.

This is the way it works folks... not just here, but Australia... you name it.

It's all a racket.

But Sarah Palin may very well become the next jewel in his crown.

He needs politicians, like any billionaire does.

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------UPDATE-------


Ok Colors,

I have to take back some of what I said. She was definitely lacking ALOT of fundamental knowledge of history that is really inexcusable for a person placed in her position. Not just obscure or peripheral knowledge, but pretty basic stuff!

Becoming Vice President in 2008?

It's too much too soon.

I cringed at the 60 Minutes Interview with former McCain campaign manager, Steve Schmidt. I can tell, he's being pretty honest about most of it.

It's good to read that from you Craig.

Really, good. It's like - hey - logic and reasoning are here again!


For the record: I personally didn't care about the rest of it (her family, her daughter's pregnancy, the moose thing). I am a bowhunter - I actually thought the moose thing was cool. I mean - her being from Alaska - hey, I'm an outdoors guy. I can jive with that. I didn't find anything wrong with Palin the PERSON. She's someone I could invite to hunting camp and probably get along with if we're talking about moose hunting or fishing or whatever. My only opposition was to her as a candidate for the second-most-powerful (and a bullet away from most-powerful) seat in the world.

And her daughter getting pregnant - happens to a lot of parents. She can't control her daughter! Every parent knows this! I only take issue with that sort of stuff when people get on their high horse about family values and morals, and then you find out their own family is fubar.

The media attacks - always uncalled for. But dude, it goes both ways. The republican attacks on Obama from the right wing media and Foxnews and the Republican party - blatant lies where the Republican party scattered fliers all over the south saying that Obama was a muslim and a terrorist? C'mon. That's as bad as it gets. That would be like me posting on this board the Craig Maxim is a muslim and a terrorist... Ugh. Makes me sick.

Liberal media, conservative media, it doesn't matter - they both engage in absolutely despicable tactics. I abhor both sides when they do that stuff. Makes my stomach turn.

It's good to read that from you Craig.

Really, good. It's like - hey - logic and reasoning are here again!

Well brother, I admit when I am wrong.

But I stand by most of my judgements of her.

She was definitely unprepared for that high office, but that doesn't mean she won't be prepared the next shot she gets. She actually handled herself admirably with attacks such as those, especially with MOST being lies or at least unfair exaggerations, however, that verbal tick of "O' Biden" and how she handled Couric... That shows the pressure WAS affecting her. Of course it was. But even still... If she were to have to step into the President's shoes, right away... that would have been EVEN MORE pressure, than the enormous pressure and vindictive personal assaults she had to deal with.

But accept at least, that this was a cultural shock for her. She expected challenges, but I think she was wholly unprepared for the kind of venomous PERSONAL assaults directed at her and her husband, but especially, at her kids, even one with a handicap. She was loved in her home state, even respected by her political opponents, some of who later endorsed her, when they admitted that she had served her state well.

For the record: I personally didn't care about the rest of it (her family, her daughter's pregnancy, the moose thing). I am a bowhunter - I actually thought the moose thing was cool. I mean - her being from Alaska - hey, I'm an outdoors guy. I can jive with that. I didn't find anything wrong with Palin the PERSON. She's someone I could invite to hunting camp and probably get along with if we're talking about moose hunting or fishing or whatever. My only opposition was to her as a candidate for the second-most-powerful (and a bullet away from most-powerful) seat in the world.

And her daughter getting pregnant - happens to a lot of parents. She can't control her daughter! Every parent knows this! I only take issue with that sort of stuff when people get on their high horse about family values and morals, and then you find out their own family is fubar.

The media attacks - always uncalled for. But dude, it goes both ways. The republican attacks on Obama from the right wing media and Foxnews and the Republican party - blatant lies where the Republican party scattered fliers all over the south saying that Obama was a muslim and a terrorist? C'mon. That's as bad as it gets. That would be like me posting on this board the Craig Maxim is a muslim and a terrorist... Ugh. Makes me sick.

Liberal media, conservative media, it doesn't matter - they both engage in absolutely despicable tactics. I abhor both sides when they do that stuff. Makes my stomach turn.

And I appreciate YOU for saying all that.

And I agree wholeheartedly... politics is often an EVIL business, and there are no saints on that level.

And as much as I respect and admire McCain, though I don't judge him for accepting Palin... seeing his campaign managers in action, THEY WERE WOEFULLY INEPT and that makes me question McCain's judgement, for not recognizing how poorly they were running his campaign.

I do admire someone who can compromise and work with the other side, in order to get the people's business done, but...

Maybe he is too nice... too congenial, for his own good?

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Maybe he is too nice... too congenial, for his own good?

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I think it's more than that.

And before I go further - I don't think you can be too nice. McCain didn't need to change; his own party let him down. It wasn't his fault, it was his parties fault.



I think it's a couple of things.


The election - massive moving machine with thousands of parts. I think what McCain did was, since he's more of a big, whole picture guy, is that he delegated and he trusted people to handle the moving parts, so he could focus on the big thing, which was his message. And so things happened that were outside his direct control and outside his ability to sanction.

Unfortunately for McCain - and I honestly believe this - I think he underestimated his own party. I think McCain is a bit like you Craig. You see the good in Christianity because you're focused on YOUR interpretation of it. So that draws your attention away from the negatives. It's not that you are ignorant - you just don't want to focus on that stuff. And I think McCain is the same way.

McCain, as I said before, is a real Republican, focused on the big three tenants, which are fiscal responsibility, small government and personal freedoms. And because that's HIS focus on being a Republican, I think he wasn't seeing his own party for what it really is and what it really has become. The Republican party has been taken over by extreme religious right wing fanatics and extreme, hateful, hurtful, fear spreading radio talk show goons who are out to exploit their listeners just to earn a buck. And I think McCain totally underestimated that - he totally underestimated his own party.

And so you end up with a good guy with a good core set of values running on what HE thinks is a great platform, but because he shares the REPUBLICAN party name - then that's his TEAM - and he's got tons of REPUBLICAN people working on his election, and unfortunately for him, they were not Republicans like him - they were NOT the SAME as him - but they were Republicans in a much different way. So while they shard the party name, they weren't the same people.

And so you ended up with people on his campaign who convinced him that dirty tactics would work, and that negative campaigning would work. And you had right-wing Christian extremists creating pamphlets that said Obama was a terrorist and we were being taken over by a muslim presidential candidate... You had people doing things on the campaign that McCain wasn't personally overseeing, because he was trusting his party to help him win the election. You had advisers telling him to beat the Democrats to the punch and take a woman as a running mate just to get the female vote, when I think in his own heart McCain would have much rather picked a running mate based on credentials. But you had strategists telling him that an "old guy ticket" was bad for the campaign. You had people working on that campaign that, in their own twisted way, ended up sabotaging the campaign because they weren't allowing McCain to get HIS message through, and instead the PARTY's message was getting put through...


And I don't think half that sh*t - maybe all of it - was ever sanctioned by McCain.

I think what happened is - you had a good guy who had a good plan and a good heart, and he got shafted by his own party. And I think in his heart of hearts, McCain knows that, and probably feels pretty bitter about it.

But McCain is a true Republican, so he can't switch to the Democratic party because he doesn't believe in their ideals.


And I think there are a lot of true Republicans who feel that same way right now. They feel like their party has been hijacked. I know Andrew Sullivan and a couple other high profile Republicans have abandon the party in very public fashion since the last election.

It's pretty sad, actually.

And I think there are a lot of true Republicans who feel that same way right now. They feel like their party has been hijacked.

Well, I agree with you.

But to say that McCain was unaware of what his party had become? No sir. It was part of the problem of the 2000 elections, that McCain had vocally expressed that he would like to BREAK THE STRANGLEHOLD the religious right, had gained over the party. He used words, pretty much that direct. And of course there was a big backlash as the well-financed and powerful RELIGIOUS RIGHT struck back at him for it!

This group of people had gained massive power through Falwell's Moral Majority shenanigans, which seemed RIGHT to well-meaning Christians initially, but when you have ORGANIZATIONS carrying the NAME OF JESUS, trying to be involved in the dirty business of politics, you are asking for trouble. It is like claiming that Jesus Himself endorses certain candidates.

Jesus did not care one HOOT who the leaders of this world were. Render unto Caesar, what is Caesar's. He had virtually nothing to say about political leaders, or wasting His time condemning them.

Why?

Because the problems in the world stem from HEARTS of men, and not from politics, or poverty or anything else. And HEARTS are ONLY CHANGED from the bottom up... one by one, heart by heart.

This is why Jesus insisted that their primary work be SPREADING THE GOSPEL and not creating quasi-Christian political organizations.

If only more Christians would actually pay attention to WHAT JESUS SAID, and HOW JESUS LIVED... so much would have improved, and so many, who think they are serving God through political organizations, would not be so misguided, and would have spent more of their time, TRULY SERVING OTHERS and not being involved in political exploits, that serve only to corrupt their own hearts, and confuse others, as to what being a follower of Christ is supposed to be about.

Christians have every right, as INDIVIDUALS, to express themselves politically, and be involved in the political process... In fact, THEY SHOULD do these things.

But... Using the name of Christ, for a political ORGANIZATION?

No sir.

Far removed from the heart of God and his will for those who believe in Him!


In fact, that behavior leads to stuff like this:




That is a picture of Sun Myung Moon embracing Jerry Falwell!

Moon, as Falwell KNEW, was an Antichrist. He had publicly claimed MANY TIMES that he was the new Jesus Christ, only better, and also had claimed publicly, that JESUS FAILED as a messiah!!!!

But Moon also happens to be the founder and owner of the most conservative newspaper in America... "The Washington Times" (quoted daily on Christian radio everywhere!) and so Falwell, not only needed that paper on his side, but he needed Moon's money to continue financing, what? His various political organizations, and other endeavors that have NOTHING TO DO with being a minister of God!

Christian brothers and sisters... this is what happens when Christians, well-meaning or not, believe that POLITICS as opposed to CHRIST'S LOVE, can change this world we live in!

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It would be poetic justice if Palin runs for and wins the Presidency in 2012 with Newt Gingrich as her Vice President. I think all the liberals would have a heart attack and drop dead on the spot...

It would be poetic justice if Palin runs for and wins the Presidency in 2012 with Newt Gingrich as her Vice President. I think all the liberals would have a heart attack and drop dead on the spot...

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!



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I can only hope Palin is nominated, thereby insuring the Republicants lose.
Unfortunately she's just a talking head, a former weathergirl and the dumbest person to ever be chosen as a running mate.

Wake up Bob, you're dreaming!

I can only hope Palin is nominated, thereby insuring the Republicants lose.
Unfortunately she's just a talking head, a former weathergirl and the dumbest person to ever be chosen as a running mate.

She was smart enough to fool an entire state into believing that she was doing a good job for them, huh?

Either most Alaskans are stupid... (are you gonna say that?) or she is a master manipulator (in which case she's pretty smart) or else, she really did, do such a good job as Governor, that she had the highest approval rating of ANY GOVERNOR IN AMERICA!

Which is it?

Wake up Bob, you're dreaming!

Bob was joking Jimmy.

Sheesh...

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She was smart enough to fool an entire state into believing that she was doing a good job for them, huh?

And so George W. Bush was smart enough to fool the entire US into believing he was doing a good job. Etc. etc. etc.

Even at the local government level, I have been witness to elected officials who have managed to fool people into thinking they're competent.

It happens all the time Craig.

Maybe that is just what this country needs right now,,, A good mommy. I see to many people that cant wipe their own butts and all they do is cry,,, help me, help me. Sad when you are 20,30, 40, 50, And you still cry out for mommy.

Big govt. ,you will never be allowed the chance to grow up and succeed.

I can only hope Palin is nominated, thereby insuring the Republicants lose.
Unfortunately she's just a talking head, a former weathergirl and the dumbest person to ever be chosen as a running mate.

She was smart enough to fool an entire state into believing that she was doing a good job for them, huh?

Either most Alaskans are stupid... (are you gonna say that?) or she is a master manipulator (in which case she's pretty smart) or else, she really did, do such a good job as Governor, that she had the highest approval rating of ANY GOVERNOR IN AMERICA!

Which is it?

Wake up Bob, you're dreaming!

Bob was joking Jimmy.

Sheesh...

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I reckon most Alaskans do not give a crap about whats going on in politics.
They want to be left alone to do what they want to do.

I can promise you that Palin will never amount to anything, politically.
Quote me on it, bet me on it, whatever your cup of tea may be.

Craig, you could have saved yourself a whole lot of typing.

And so George W. Bush was smart enough to fool the entire US into believing he was doing a good job. Etc. etc. etc.

Ok, but you just admitted that George Bush was smart.

Jimmy DOES NOT concede this for Palin.



See?




Are you sure you belong to Mensa?


LOL


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kidding...

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I think ...

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Maybe that is just what this country needs right now,,, A good mommy. I see to many people that cant wipe their own butts and all they do is cry,,, help me, help me. Sad when you are 20,30, 40, 50, And you still cry out for mommy.

Big govt. ,you will never be allowed the chance to grow up and succeed.

LOL


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I reckon most Alaskans do not give a crap about whats going on in politics.
They want to be left alone to do what they want to do.

They vote.

They took the time to answer the survey on whether they approved of the Governor's performance or not.

Why waste time on either thing if you don't care about it?

Wouldn't you think that the SMALLER a place is, the less that would be going on there? I bet they are more up on their local politics than many of those in states with much bigger cities and more going on?

Are they unaware of whether life is going their way or not?

If they are happy enough to give her a higher approval rating than any other Governor in the country, then at the least, whatever was right, didn't get screwed up by her, right? LOL

But seriously.

The people know her. They know their local issues. She was widely praised there, for her what she did for the state. Even her political opponents there admit this.

I can promise you that Palin will never amount to anything, politically.
Quote me on it, bet me on it, whatever your cup of tea may be.

LOL

Was that double entendre intentional?


We shall see. She has a powerful force behind her. I bet you will be hearing about her for a long while to come.

Run for President?

Seems impossible with how the media degrades her daily.

But who knows?

Images can be restored in moments, under the right conditions.

Maybe she will run for the Senate one day?

Maybe she will stay out of elected office, and remain a media asset?

I don't know what her personal plans are.

I know she has a best selling book.

I know she had a positively received appearance on Oprah.

I know she got high ratings on her FoxNews premier.

I know she will be around for a while, like it or not.

I feel what's behind her.

Oops! That didn't come out right did it?

LOL

Craig, you could have saved yourself a whole lot of typing.

Perish the thought!

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