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lol i kno this isnt in the slightest music related. well wait it could be, say a starving musician cant afford health insurance and inevitably falls off the stage one night....how do you all feel about your health care in the uk?

Health care is taken care of via the National Health Service, therefor is not really a subject that is brought up much over here. N.H.S sometimes competent, sometimes not.
Alas just like other important sectors ie education, it is underfunded.
However thanks to you Americans we are also turning into a litigation state, so if we do fall off a stage we just get on the phone to one of the millions of no win no fee accident solicitors and sue the arse of the stage owner.

yea the suing has gotten out of control over here lol. along with nuuumerous other things. it seems like it all started in the 90s when some moron spilled hot coffee on herself at mcdonalds and sued...its coffee...its supposed to be hot...your obligated not to spill it on yourself...what she should have done was sued whatever institution she received her education at haha

but would u say u get the best care possible and in a timely manner?

Honest answer to that is a definate no. N.H.S workers are to few, overworked and under to much pressure. Success stories are few, horror stories of incompetence are many.

lol would u rather have ours? hear check these out...this is one of our right wings argument against health care reform

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=17&f=2766&t=4976571

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 879553.ece

lol would u rather have ours? hear check these out...this is one of our right wings argument against health care reform

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=17&f=2766&t=4976571

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 879553.ece

Aye no surprises there. Getting to the stage now that you enter an NHS hospital with a minor ailment and come out dead with MRSA or something similar

Bloody hell Micawber, just checked your profile to check its the same guy. Was at a couple of your underground gigs in the scottish borders in 95/6. Nice to see your still going man. Hey the only synth player that ive seen that never uses a computer when gigging. Hope alls well with you mate.

so basically it just seems that health care across the board is failing. my big problem with whats happening on our side of the pond is that these dbag right wingers refuse to help push reform along when death due to a lack of insurance is one our nations top 10 killers. you would think doing something that is within your power to saves lives would be a priority. we have complete i mean complete idiots buying into someone like sarah palin saying we r going to be put on "death panels" at a certain age. this idiot has a degree in journalism how does that even remotely seem like a good creditential for government office. and then we have ppl calling for arms stating that obama is a dictator, r u serious. unfortunately my fellow americans are not very educated. they can not define dictatorship or communism and they definitely cant determine the difference between marxism and communism. hell most of them dont know what the holocaust is. all very saddening.

So this is where someone like you goes RYCKIWHATever.....
Why do you expect everything handed to you FREE. Nothing is FREE . get over it. HEALTH CARE IS NOT FREEEEEEE!. IT IS NOT A GOD GIVEN RIGHT.
The sooner people like you get out there and PAY your own way instead of expecting the govt to KISS your ass and take care of you the better our country will be.
You have to work if you want to make it in life, and sometimes you have to work hard. You want me to wave a MAGIC wand over you and make you the next guitar heroe, NO!!! but you expect the govt to do it for you.
Young people such as your self scare the hell out of me because you are so lazy,GET UP AND MAKE A LIVING AND THEN you will garner some respect.

PS. Marxism , Led to communisim in China and Russia, It led to socialisiam in western europe, and it led to unionisim in capitalist USA. so dont tell me about history
Your history has all ready been rewritten ,very sad.
6 million Jews were killed in the holocaust ,this # was just raised to14 million according to THE MEDIA.
I have met survivors of stallin's HOLOCAUST, 50 million 60 million, How come you don't bother bring that up ????

You got a big nose ring and I can't wait to put my chain on it so I can tell you MAKE MY DINNER.

wrong as usual, Glen, when it comes to this subject matter...

I must be wrong , Because I keep shelling out a Mortgage payment every month to have coverage for my kids. Phil , nothing is free, and even worse idiots like me see this as a door to total govt control.
I have my guns , I don't have enough gold, so that only leaves me to put enough faith in God to help stop alot of craziness , including ,freeloaders, and liars.

NO PHIL. WHERE AM I WRONG?
Lootsey you got some splainen to do

1.) It's wrong to attack others who believe differently than you do. Didn't your mom teach you that, yet?

2.) Ours is the only industrialized nation that treats its citizenry with this much indifference, but I suppose you don't really have the time to actually check things out.

3.) Your living in a country that treats its ppl worsa than any aboriginal tribe, yet you hold onto the view that this is freedom at work. Without health, you cannot enjoy freedom, whether you have it or not (& you DON'T, btw).

4.) You have yet to explain how the taking care of the sick & injured is Marxist in nature, or how this in any way could possibly relate to the atrocities of the nazi party. It does not relate, btw, no matter how many times you post this tripe. If you think about it, what they were doing was the exact opposite. But I suppose it isn't in your nature to think when it comes to this subject, cuz you get such a hair up your ass every time you read the word "socialized."

5.) You seem to think that anyone wanting health care is a freeloader. Nothing is further from the truth, in most cases, & I'd say that none of the arguments I've read have leaned that way at all. I work. I don't get health care in my work because it isn't something I can afford on my income. Fortunately, I have a wife that gets it at her job. Still, our health care exists at the whim of her company. This gives me cause for great concern. They can remove it anytime they wish, in their search for profit. As we've discussed before, the American coreporation, esp the largest ones, are removing bennies & lowering pay at an alarming rate in this country, in their search of the endless profit. Ppl are stuck in ruts, or working 2, 3, even 4 jobs, part-time, to pay their bills, to clothe & feed their children & themselves, & STILL have no way to pay for health care. When something happens, as it does to all of us at different times, they go under, losing their homes &/or jobs &/or their very ability to work.

You cannot leave it to the communities to take care of thse ppl, because our society has virtually erased the entire concept of "community." So I guess you's just tell them "tough luck, bub, better luck next time," eh? Screw your tired old arguments, Glen. They've gotten old. I hope you never go through what so many do in this country, but if you do, there will be some sort of karmic balance going on there, after listening to your endless anti-human rants on this subject.

The one thing you got right, I suppose, is that it is not a god-given right, or we all would live without need for it. It IS the thing that any civilized ppl would do for each other, though.

Much as I love to read two Yanks arguing, this seems to be getting a little heated...

Debate is good. Argument is good. They both thrash out ideas and opinions but you guys all seem to degenerate into slanging matches.

OK...i'm not attacking anyone here - I'm just saying what I think....

Health Care is one issue in a big picture and sometimes you have to step back a little. In the UK, I think there was a simple problem for the government: how do we make sure our workers get to work every day and put in a solid days graft? How do we make sure the people who keep the economy running by producing goods keep on producing?

Keep 'em healthy? Keep 'em housed? Keep 'em fed?

Yes - all three at the very least. So a good health care system is good for the country. A good health care system is good for production and good for the economy. Of course these days Britain doesn't "produce" like it used to but that's a different story.

Glen does make a good point about why people who don't earn should reap the benefits of those who do earn wages and pay for a National Health Care service. It does seem unfair....but usually only if you lucky enough to have a job (i'm one of the lucky ones by the way) and I pay my taxes and support our society just like millions of others.

let me give you an example (just an example - not the only thing...LOL) - but some families who don't work in Britain are still bringing up kids...kids who will one day support our society the same as I have done...so they're still contributing to society. They're certainly not living in the lap of luxury and there's no way I would deny them the benefits of our health care system just 'cos they don't have jobs.

As a country struggling to maintain an economic foothold in the world it is in our best interest to help, support, educate and provide health care to our citizens so that they may become productive members of society. I suspect it's the same in the US.

As a further note, I have yet to meet anyone who isn't working that wouldn't like to have a well paid job. Living in Britain on welfare is certainly not an easy life.