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And to think that our COLLECTIVE accomplishments in energy and fossil fuels have no effect on our environment, and that Global Climate Change is just something that "happens" every few million years - well, that's absurd. That's not paying attention

Oh, I do believe that we are damaging our environment, big time, and there's no doubt there! I'm paying attention alright, so much so, that I can detect when someone is trying to pull a fast one! Blaming humans for everything that's happening with the climate, now, THAT is absurd. Human may not be helping, but there's a lot more to it then just, humans are the cause. There are so many variables in play, not considering them, is absurd!.

I have to say I agree with Colors. Whether or not we're the cause is really the insignificant detail IMO. We are encouraged to argue that detail, rather than admit our contributions and attempt to curb our own disasterous ways.

There's a reason bottled water is replacing tap water. There's a reason breathing inner-city air is equated to 3 packs of cigarettes a day, and there's a reason our kids are developing diseases such as diabetes, lukemia, downs, autism, aspergers, mental retardation, etc.. at increasing rates per capita. We pollute our land, ground water, air, everything, and then do little or nothing (as a society) to correct it. Funny, that the coal we burn for power is the primary contributor of massive amounts of mercury that has now saturated our local environments. We're screwed.

The corporations that are responsible buy out the politicians and the politicians launch aggressive propaganda wars to get us all divided and fighting amongs ourselves. This is the same problem as healthcare and a whole host of other "wedge" issues.

It's exasperating.

Heres my question to global warming people:
How is it that sunlight can pass through CO2 to reach the earth's surface but when it goes to reflect off it cant pass through again?.

Light does reflect off the Earth, or else from space it would look like a black hole (that is, it wouldn't look like anything - you couldn't see it).

But light and heat are two different things.

loght and heat are very similar even if they are different, and usually are found together (some times not visible light however)

BOLLOCKS.
Our Ozone will be gone in 20 years.

Heres my question to global warming people:
How is it that sunlight can pass through CO2 to reach the earth's surface but when it goes to reflect off it cant pass through again?.

Light does reflect off the Earth, or else from space it would look like a black hole (that is, it wouldn't look like anything - you couldn't see it).

But light and heat are two different things.

loght and heat are very similar even if they are different, and usually are found together (some times not visible light however)

Do you find the light from distant stars very warm?

When you rub your hands together to create heat from friction, do they glow?


Many things in this universe are connected (maybe everything). But it is wise to understand the boundaries of separation as well.

Whether or not we're the cause is really the insignificant detail IMO. We are encouraged to argue that detail, rather than admit our contributions and attempt to curb our own disasterous ways.

That is the thing about the whole climate change debate that has driven me nuts for years...

Even *if* humans were not contributing to the pollution of our environment and changing the qualities of our planet, what harm does it do to look for more efficient and less toxic ways to achieve our means? These seem like admirable goals without additional crisis to push us toward them.

And Kramer... man, you hit it on the head. We're seeing a record number of cases of diseases like asthma and downs syndrome and diabetes and autism in our children. I was just thinking about this the other day because a friend of mine and his wife (ages 26-27) had their first child after much trying, and the poor kid is downs. And I wonder - what factors contributed to that?

And then my train of thought asked: What could we have done to change that outcome? What can we do as humans to live healthier and keep the world clean?

I am so thankful that both my kids are healthy, and I wonder: will they stay that way?

And to think that our COLLECTIVE accomplishments in energy and fossil fuels have no effect on our environment, and that Global Climate Change is just something that "happens" every few million years - well, that's absurd. That's not paying attention

Oh, I do believe that we are damaging our environment, big time, and there's no doubt there! I'm paying attention alright, so much so, that I can detect when someone is trying to pull a fast one! Blaming humans for everything that's happening with the climate, now, THAT is absurd. Human may not be helping, but there's a lot more to it then just, humans are the cause. There are so many variables in play, not considering them, is absurd!.

I have to say I agree with Colors. Whether or not we're the cause is really the insignificant detail IMO. We are encouraged to argue that detail, rather than admit our contributions and attempt to curb our own disasterous ways.

You agree about what, that humans are the only cause?

Arguing about it is significant to me, just like being greener is just as significant. A lot of money is involved here, like in British Columbia (CA), there's already a Carbon Tax. That is worth debating and arguing about! I can understand a Pollution Tax, but CO2 Tax??? Again, the CO2 in the air is, and have been for a long time, less than 1%. To this day, scientists are not all convinced that CO2 by humans are the cause of global warming, but yet, it is good enough for our government to tax it!

We should clean our act, be more sustainable, for the greater good of mankind, and not for the attempt of changing the climate or proving the other party wrong!

Still BOLLOCKS!

Wait until Obama releases a Carbon Tax, we'll see if Global Warming is still worth arguing about

You agree about what, that humans are the only cause?

I want to be clear - I never said that.

You agree about what, that humans are the only cause?

I want to be clear - I never said that.

Sorry, I just assumed, since most of your reply to my post was about how we destroy this place.

In 1976 the same bunch of assholes were saying that the "green house" effect was causing a new ICE AGE. BRRRRRR

They have no freaking idea what they are talking about.
And if they did or were honestly concerned, they would investigate the counter theorys as well, not pull the opposing scientist funding.
No, it's a flukin power grab.

Sure we need to be good stewards of our planet.
But running helterskelter to create light bulbs that are hazerdous waste, to reduce CO2 ( a natural occuring gas we can neither create or destroy )
Makes no sense.

Mt St Helens eruption released more CO2 in one day, than man has produced since the beginning of the industreal revolution.

Polar Bears swim for a living.
The receading ice in Iceland has revealed pre historic crop fields.

Follow the money trail.

Follow the money trail.

BINGO!!!!

Give the bloke a chance! He inherited crap. (Obama).

I'd love to see some you folks dealing with the crap left behind after 50 years of negligence.

Give the bloke a chance! He inherited crap. (Obama).

I'd love to see some you folks dealing with the crap left behind after 50 years of negligence.

I was just being sarcastic, about Obama and the Carbon Tax. I like him, but I like Bill Clinton better...haha

Thats just the funniest crap I ever read.
Wheaaaaa, give the commie pig a chance. HELL NO !!!