General Music Chat

I'm not sure how to respond to this. I've never really went through anything like that, atleast yet. I know I'm not that great of a guitarist, neither is our other. My singer is my brother and we both just want whats best for the band. So no one in my band ever really had an "Im better than you, or anything"

And the only reason why 2 members of my band just left was to go to college.

ONE is that you're landing such good gigs and making so much money that you need to put some back into the Band to keep getting those good paying gigs

www.jamewave.com/thefirstcauseband
Grand Rapids/Kalamazoo, Michigan

Most all of our callbacks are from what we play and how we sound, some depend on the over all "show", though every night's not a "concert" Some places didn't call back more over what we played....and didn't play, somtimes a bands set list just don't mesh with that crowd on that night,

My last band, we'd do a few acoustic songs in the set, if the drummer could sing it, hell a chance he can break from behind the drums and sing a couple songs. It's a great change up in the night...even the fact of less stage blaring for about 10-15 mins.[/img][/quote]

I've been a drummer for over 25 yrs and if it is one thing that I've learned, is that a good musician should have absolutely nothing to prove. Be it a drummer, bass guitarist, vocalist....etc.....etc..... A band is like a sports team or marriage for that matter. If you want to succed, you have to be willing to compromise and meet the other person where they leave off. There is no "I" in band for a reason.......it's a group effort. If you want to succed, swallow the pride.........if you don't......than let it grow out of control, but stop being legends in your own mind and enjoy the people you are around and the interest you share with them.

if I may say .... I have read the majority of the replies and would like to offer up what I have learned over the 30 years of My playing in Bands as I too am a drummer.
I have seen first hand many times over the one monster that can tear apart the best of bands..... EGO ....
look at what happened to Van Halen,Creed,Tom Petty,the Eagles,Steve Miller Band, ... I could go on, the one thing I do know that unless EVERYONE in the group can get a grip on the ego it will kill.
just keep in mind that one show the lead guitarist might get all the glory and notification, next time could be the bass, next the rythm,keys,harp,or even the drums. just as long as everyone can keep the ego under control and not let it go to the head everyone can come away feeling good about the night and jamn like again the next time,

make any sense?

Think all us muso,s can be a bit temperamental at times regardless of position in band. tis the nature of the beast.

a lot of the time, i see drummers getting the most respect out of all of the band members. say what you want about a bassist, guitarist or vocalist, but a good drummer is a good drummer. it has nothing to do with melody, nothing to do with singing in key, it simply has to do with rhythm and raw talent. there's nothing subjective about it; there's no "well, i guess some people could like him", like in singing voices or guitar styles, there's only "holy crap, i can't even see his arms moving and it's so awesome oh god". when there's a good drummer on stage, they make the band hit that much harder.

a lot of the time, i see drummers getting the most respect out of all of the band members. say what you want about a bassist, guitarist or vocalist, but a good drummer is a good drummer. it has nothing to do with melody, nothing to do with singing in key, it simply has to do with rhythm and raw talent. there's nothing subjective about it; there's no "well, i guess some people could like him", like in singing voices or guitar styles, there's only "holy crap, i can't even see his arms moving and it's so awesome oh god". when there's a good drummer on stage, they make the band hit that much harder.

I agree 100%, I know with the Alternative/Modern Rock that we do, Wow, The drummer has one of the harder jobs. A good drummer makes all the difference. They have my respect ! [Vocals & Bass].

Well, I think it's a bit juvenile to generalize ALL drummers as being overly confident and aggressive. I assume you're talking about heavy metal... what else, right? I wouldn't even label all hardcore drummers as 'aggressive'... And I don't believe it takes ego or aggression to be a front man either (when did these become standards? That's all news to me...). And who cares about being 'in back'? We're all 'in back' of our instruments... If a band has great fans then they know all about the drummer and are there to see him/her just as much as the other musicians. If a drummer has any of the qualities you speak of then I think he/she is just starved for attention...

Well, I think it's a bit juvenile to generalize ALL drummers as being overly confident and aggressive. I assume you're talking about heavy metal... what else, right? I wouldn't even label all hardcore drummers as 'aggressive'... And I don't believe it takes ego or aggression to be a front man either (when did these become standards? That's all news to me...). And who cares about being 'in back'? We're all 'in back' of our instruments... If a band has great fans then they know all about the drummer and are there to see him/her just as much as the other musicians. If a drummer has any of the qualities you speak of then I think he/she is just starved for attention...

What are you talking about Dude! Are you on Drugs? Or is all your anger & frustration natural? You are a Ass in all of your posts, not just this one only. Musicians here already have common sense! Must be a great Air-Guitar player, or maybe struggling? I am sure in your own little mind, You know it All! Dont think you will ever make it very far in this buisness. You are the band member[NOBODY WANTs!] Good luck, You need it....

Vocals and Bass,
I don't know what was so confusing about my statement?! Aren't we all on some kind of drug (yours is probably alcohol)? Thanks for at least capitalizing the A in ass when you referred to me as one (and one isn't a ass, one is AN ass). I find it creepy that you took the time to 'check me out' here. The common sense sentence made absolutely no sense to me. You'll have to be a bit more eloquent for me to get that... The air-guitar sentence wasn't addressed to me but I have a hunch it was supposed to be. Am I a struggling artist? Sure I am! Who isn't (unless you're lucky enough to be picked up by a label)? Do you think I would have a profile on this site if I were content with my situation? And I can't believe you, as a forty-something, actually stated that I won't make it very far! You're approaching the top of the hill, pal! Do you always quarrel with people half your age? What about your contemporaries? Oh yeah, they are all doctors, lawyers, physicians, senators, etc. by now... And what's with the crying emoticon? I apologize for hurting your feelings!

Eh, this guys a troll. Here let me check my list:

12 posts and 11 of them are incendiary and insulting, check.

Already quoting the first amendment and freedom of speech to excuse any old insulting thing that dribbles out of his mouth, check

Has one extremely narrow point of view and by god it is the right point of view, check

Thats three strikes, he's a troll. Don't feed the trolls.

What's funny is that they are so afraid somebody might contact somebody else in the forum that there is no way to notify admin that they have a troll loose LOL.

Eh, this guys a troll. Here let me check my list:

12 posts and 11 of them are incendiary and insulting, check.

Already quoting the first amendment and freedom of speech to excuse any old insulting thing that dribbles out of his mouth, check

Has one extremely narrow point of view and by god it is the right point of view, check

Thats three strikes, he's a troll. Don't feed the trolls.

What's funny is that they are so afraid somebody might contact somebody else in the forum that there is no way to notify admin that they have a troll loose LOL.

Anon125478,
Don't you feel silly being another 40-something quarreling with someone half your age? And what's with people taking the time to arrange statistics of my posts? And I don't need the constitution to defend my words; the post you are referring to was filtered through sarcasm (didn't you pick that up?). By the way, I'm under the impression quoting the constitution isn't your forte. My point of view isn't narrow, it's an all-encompassing conclusion derived from years of study. Certainly you don't think I would say these things unless they were well founded. And I don't understand where the 'three strikes' comment came from. And a troll? Do you know what a troll is? Don't feed trolls? Don't you know 'troll' is slang for a homeless person (acquired from the folk-tale of people who live under bridges). You're not exactly a humanist if you enjoy laughing at and starving the homeless (I'm half your age and don't use internet cliches like 'lol', grow up!). The last sentence didn't make sense... What a childish sense of humor! And who notifies 'admin' because they disagree with somebody? Are you 5 years old? Leave tattling to toddlers... Would any other seasoned geniuses like to add anything?

topic = Drummers & Lead Singers - A Theory

Well, I think it's a bit juvenile to generalize ALL drummers as being overly confident and aggressive. I assume you're talking about heavy metal... what else, right? I wouldn't even label all hardcore drummers as 'aggressive'... And I don't believe it takes ego or aggression to be a front man either (when did these become standards? That's all news to me...). And who cares about being 'in back'? We're all 'in back' of our instruments... If a band has great fans then they know all about the drummer and are there to see him/her just as much as the other musicians. If a drummer has any of the qualities you speak of then I think he/she is just starved for attention...

ok, as I see it ... You are the one that started all the sarcasm ....

notice in Your own words what You said....
I too am (as You stated) 40+ and am a drummer, however starved for attention becasue of someomone's qualities? I ask You this ...Niel Pert ... is He starved for attention? what of Sonny Bozzio? these ar just 2 of the many drummers I have seen and met and yet when they play they can do what is required of them musically and back ANYBODY .... the string started off about the atitutudes ... now as Me for a drummer it is hard to play behind someone that does not stick to the song and tries to (blow the roof off" and throws everyone off. I have seen 1st hand and delt with that crap (and probaly will continue ) as long as I remain in the bussiness... now before You start spouting off I ask You ...

1). what is Your experience?
2). how long have You been playing professionally?
3). how often have You toured?
4). how many studio's have You been in?

reason I ask is while most of Us in the "over-the-hill-gang-" (as You might like to put it) HAVE paid OUR dues, have the experience,have played professionally,have done studio work, have been on the road,
I myself was a studio drummer for WB in Branson,I sit behind the guys and back them on stage, why? ever go to a show and see a set of drums up front? why not?

in closing ... when You finally dry off those ears and get some expierence then perhaps ppl shall start taking You seriously.

Don't even bother Sound Check, you can't reason with a forum troll. Their only reason for being here is to spread hate and discontent., just look at all his posts.

Anon125478
is so sad when You see someone so young that has potential to let it all go to thier head ....I believe He may be the "singer" that was spoke of in this string....
hey I noticed You are in Frisco?...ever get to Bakersfield? as I am plainning a vacation this fall and if perhaps You are going to be down that way We could go to local jamn session and hit it for a lil while?
... I am ALWAYS up for janm'n w/ppl