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I dont trust McCain. I mean Kennedy/Feingold, how stupid was that crap.
Obamanation is a bigotted power hungry slug. Clinton is a pathological lier and will do anything for power. We are in deep sh*t.

I dont trust McCain. I mean Kennedy/Feingold, how stupid was that crap.
Obamanation is a bigotted power hungry slug. Clinton is a pathological lier and will do anything for power. We are in deep sh*t.

You could be right.


I think McCain is a man who has tried very hard to have a principled political career. He said he learned from that ONE mistake, and apparently he did. He did nothing illegal, and was never charged with any crime. That's a long way to go back to find dirt on McCain. That's pretty damn good, if you ask me.

But just because he may be a principled man, does not mean he will make a good president.

I'm not very happy with any of the choices this year either, but Democracts control congress right now, so they are steering our economy, not the president. We are in war. There is a terrorist threat to civilization right now, and McCain is the man, on the war front. I feel there is no choice for me. I wish there were, but I don't see it.

btw...

McCain as president can do one thing, which he most certainly will do. He can veto pork projects that come across his desk. Bot Clinton and Obama have a nice resume filled with pork barrel projects for their states, guess how many McCain has for his? "0"

That's right. He has introduced or supported NOT ONE SINGLE pork project in his entire political career. His reasoning? In effect "Arizona is doing fine without pork projects, and I have seen too many times, how these types of deals lead to corruption, there are congressmen in prison right now because of it, not to mention it is a waste of the taxpayer's money."

So, I think he will turn out to be a good president. Finding a cleaner politician would be hard to do. He understands the military's needs. He understands what war is, from the perspective of someone who suffered five years as a POW in one, so I doubt he is anxious to send us to war without cause, since he knows first hand the price paid for it. He will be a voice for Campaign finance reform. He has promised to veto EVERY bill containing pork barrel projects and make the sponsors of those bills famous (as he puts it). He will not raise our taxes.

I think we could do far worse than McCain.

Is he ideal? I don't think so.

But he has, so far, alot more positives to me, than negatives.

Yes Craig , as usuall I agree with you on principle. There I just this voice in my head screaming WE NEED CHANGE and I dont mean Obumer. Its hard for me as a Christian to strugle with hate but I do hate everything he stands for. Clinton also they are wrong, and the truth does not reside in them. And some of it I would willingly die or kill to prevent.
(insert extreamist label here)
I very well may Vote third party for the first time in my 47 years. Not for a chance of winning but to wake some people up. After four years of european type socalism from the Dems we may be in severe economic depression and possably civil war. I pray my children and grand children see neither.

There I just this voice in my head screaming WE NEED CHANGE and I dont mean Obumer.

It's not just you. It's HUGE. This is a problem actually. I think that sometimes, maybe it is because there really is a collective consciousness that we are all a part of, or tap into, but whatever it is, there are moments in history, when many (not all) people are moved enmasse, by some unseen force or emotion. The sixties was a prime, and recent example of this. That time, for good or ill (and there were both) was remarkable. A pivotal moment in our history. There were some beautiful ideas, of "love" and "peace" and freedom of self-expression. This became a movement that covered much of the country to varying degrees. What did that? What made that many people alter their way of thinking and living so drastically, and enmasse? We have fought MANY wars, and we have fought oher wars that were just as unpopular as Vietnam was. The war itself was a catalyst, not a primary cause of this.

I almost feel a similar thing is happening now. There is an unseen force, I really believe this, cause I can sense it, moving us all in a drastic direction. The word "change" is key. And Obama is the mascot for it. I think this is far beyond politics. After the first gulf war, Colin Powell could EASILY have been president. He was liked just as much by Democrats as he was trusted by Republicans. The country was ready THEN for a black president. Colin Powell, like Obama, was very intelligent, very well spoken, had a best selling book, but unlike Obama, he was not extemist, but a moderate, which made him attractive to BOTH parties, because both saw things in him they respected and liked. So, this is not about a black president either I don't think. We were ready then, and it was nowhere near as big a deal, as it is being made out to be now.

Something is moving people. It's not about black or not black. It's about that buzz word "change". People want change, they are consumed with it. Obama is the point man. He is a Democrat (we've had 8 years of Republican presidency) and he is black (we've never had any person of color get this close to the Whitehouse) so he represents that drastic "change" in every sense of the word. That makes him a candidate of change in almost every way imaginable.

But this doesn't explain it for me.

He is relatively unknown. He is the most liberal politician in the Senate. He has spent 20 years in a church that is anti-American and black centrist. He has offered no real viable plans. No concrete methods of what he is going to do and how it will be paid for. He clearly lies and misrepresents his policies, his life, his beliefs and his history. Yet, he is a candidate running on "unity" and "integrity" too, since Washington is broken, and untrustworthy, and he is the man to fix that. His words and history betray what he claims to stand for.

Amazingly... AMAZINGLY ... that just does not seem to matter to many, if not most people.

WOW!!!

I'm amazed. I'm trying to understand what is behind it.

I consider it a genuine phenomena. In decades past, smart, young, attractive candidates like John F. Kennedy, had to CONVINCE the public that he would not be taking orders from the Pope because of his being a Catholic. It was a huge issue at the time.

Now we have a candidate with similar qualities, who belonged to a church for 20 years, that preaches intense hatred for this nation itself.

And it doesn't seem to matter. How did this happen?

Are we so desensitized and apathetic, that we just don't care? Are we instead "enlightened" and above whatever a religion espouses, no matter how grotesque?

As Christianity has become fodder for insults and hatred in modern times, without many outcries that any other group would receive immediately, is it that THIS is the kind of Christianity we will tolerate? One that espouses hatred and division?

Are there spiritual forces at work, moving society in a certain direction?

Is the framework being laid for 2012? The year when many diverse prophecies have concluded the world is to end, or at least transition from an old age to a new one?

What the hell is going on?

Something is.

I feel it.

It isn't so bewildering when you come to realize that Obama is the antichrist.
There 'is' something going on spiritually, so hang on.

It isn't so bewildering when you come to realize that Obama is the antichrist.
There 'is' something going on spiritually, so hang on.

LOL

Hey, just cause I have had what most people would consider "spiritual" experiences, it doesn't make me whacky.

Well, I'm shur 'nuff "wacky".

That why I sing and play my own songs, design and build my own houses, and am still tryin' to find out what makes GRAVITY work.

Keep both feet firmly planted on good ol' Terra firma (Midgard), minstrel brethren.

Grand Poobah Howlin'

History teaches that mankind has always waited too long to act on any pending crissis. So if there is this "collectivity" it's a short circuit at best.
I dont believe anyone can predict the "end of time" It will come like a thief in the night. Had a guy ask me if I was ready for Y2K I told him yes I'm going to sit on your corpse and eat your food. He did not think it was at all funny. Many people I know feel desperatly that personal responsability and liberty must be returned to the world we live in. Creating a State that's promise is you will be taken care of is contrary to the reality of nature. It therefore cannot work. Too many people live in a protective bubble of society and no longer understand the yin and yang of life and death. We shall all pay the price for this loss of connection with the tangable facts of life.

History teaches that mankind has always waited too long to act on any pending crissis. So if there is this "collectivity" it's a short circuit at best.
I dont believe anyone can predict the "end of time" It will come like a thief in the night. Had a guy ask me if I was ready for Y2K I told him yes I'm going to sit on your corpse and eat your food. He did not think it was at all funny. Many people I know feel desperatly that personal responsability and liberty must be returned to the world we live in. Creating a State that's promise is you will be taken care of is contrary to the reality of nature. It therefore cannot work. Too many people live in a protective bubble of society and no longer understand the yin and yang of life and death. We shall all pay the price for this loss of connection with the tangable facts of life.

Good points brother man!

Unfortunately, we are living in a society, where, increasingly, we are being told what to think. George Orwell's books are becoming increasingly prophetic, albeit late. Daily diets of violence, not just on games, but available through the internet, seeing people murdered, with nothing blocked out, are beginning to desensitize the youth to violence, the value of life, and morality and personal responsibility in general. World government is on the horizon. People are becoming apathetic in life, and believing in almost nothing.

This cannot be a framework for a meaningful future, but instead a bleak one. I think it is possible we are about to enter a pretty dark period in human history. We'll see.