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Hillary made a little comeback last night, looks like she may be in for the long haul. What does this do for the Democrats chances? Does this allow the Republicans to get stronger while the Dems fight over the nomination..

Hillary will never catch the number of delegates that Obama has, and the delegates are what counts at convention. As a matter of fact about 50 previous Hillary delegates just switched to Obama in the last week or so.

The only way she could take the nomination is if it was brokered by the DLC assholes, which means that the peoples' voices would be silenced in the process and they would opt for a hand coronated illuminus by the elite. That would be disastrous in the GE because multitudes of Democrats would be so pissed off at this they would sit on their hands and not vote. Par for the course for the stupid ass DLC, but disastrous for Democrats hoping to take the White House back.

Hillary will never catch the number of delegates that Obama has, and the delegates are what counts at convention. As a matter of fact about 50 previous Hillary delegates just switched to Obama in the last week or so.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

McCain looked dead in the water too. Now he's the nominee. What if the DNC backtracks on not counting Florida and Michigan? Not necessarily just give them back to Hillary but do a re-vote? It seems unlikely, but many voters are not happy, because it wan't them that moved the primaries up. They want to be heard. Don't be surprised if some compromise isn't worked out.

What if Obama is not the golden boy anymore, because people respect Hillary's perseverence and she is bolstered by 3 consecutive wins?

Having a second look at Hillary, maybe Democrats delerium wears off, and they realize that Obama is nowhere near as well versed on the issues as Hillary is. Look at them in debates. I've seen them all. Obama stumbles all the time, and he speaks politico-speak, almost never anything substantive. Hillary hardly pauses, and rattles off facts and figures like it is second nature. She gives more realistic and detailed answers, and is clearly FAR MORE experienced in world affairs and domestic affairs than Obama is.

She has visited 80 countries as a representative of this nation. It doesn't matter that most of the time it was as figure head, rather than a lawmaker at the time. She visited, she discussed policy, she represented the President even more than a Vice President would have. They KNOW her. She is well known, and has contacts with leaders worldwide.

She has been a Senator longer than Obama has. She had more successes in her personal career before entering politics than Obama did. She is by far, more capable a leader than Obama is. She has been around the block much more than Obama has, everywhere from the State to the Federal level.

It amazes me that people are so sucked into someone who hasn't proven himself at all yet.

He's a nice guy. He speaks well. He looks nice.

Remember how many people elected Bush because he seemed like the kind of guy you'd want to have a beer with?

Now Democrats are about to make the same mistake? LOL

I think some of them wake up, and things could change. Delegates can switch their positions. Negative info can come out on Obama. Security threats can appear out of nowhere, and if that happens. Democrats go with Clinton again.

Clinton on talk shows is hinting that she may accept Obama as a Vice Presidential nominee. That is what Democrats really want. the so-called "dream ticket" and she is smart enough to throw that possibility into the ring, before he does. Maybe Democrats go with Clinton on that hope, believing they will get both of them.

One thing is for sure...

That NOTHING is SURE in this election.

It has been one of the most amazing elections I have witnessed.

I personally lose all respect for anyone who says I dont vote cause it doesnt matter. It does matter and it is your right as a citizen of this country.

Well, the constitution of our country ensures that the voters DO NOT elect the president directly. The founders didn't trust the common man to make good decisions, and included a fail safe, called the "electoral college" into the constitution, believing that the educated, and "wiser" minds would know better than the populous who should be President. It is designed to avoid the presidency being a popularity contest, and particularly one that is a backlash against the status quo. In other words, maybe the citizens get pissed about taxes, and vote for some unknown as a backlash. Like what happened in Italy, when the citizens elected a porn star to the parliament.

So Americans don't vote for President. We vote for "electors" who are "pledged" to cast the real votes, for that person. They can always switch. A term known as "faithless electors". And sometimes they do. A few times in our history, the President has been elected AGAINST the popular vote.

But voting DOES matter. It expresses the opinion and pulse of the people. And in hundreds of years only a few times have the electors gone against the citizens wishes. So, I suppose it is not the worst system, as it generally functions in accordance with the wishes of the land. But it is probably outdated. The citizens are far more educated than they were in the early years of this nation. Television and the internet also ensures that we are MUCH more knowledgeable on the issues, the candidates and their positions as well.

Why focus on the past? Hmm we have a puppet government staging terror attacks to bring us into an Orwellian nightmare and you are asking why I am talking about the past?

Let me say this again, voting will get you nowhere! It is a false choice, no matter which candidate wins, government wins. We are in a lose lose situation.
[b]"Let me say again" "IF you don't vote!! Then YOU"R right to bitch mean"S NOTHING!! you have NO say so in anything, YOU forfit you'r right for everthing.... NO sayso!! are you getting the picture yet!! You'r wasting you'r and everyone elses time..[/b]
It doesnt matter who gets in whether it be McCain, Clinton, or Obama, we will still be in the same position that we are in now. None of these candidates will do anything about civil liberties. When who ever comes to office next, I will just be waiting for the next staged crisis to bring us into the next phase of slavery.

fc

Your exuberance for Obama is overwhelming.

But that's OK, because he has a real shot at this thing and I am pulling for him all the way. Hillary Clinton is a disaster in the waiting - not only too close to the rightwing DLC pro war people for my tastes, but according to most polls would lose to McCain. Those same polls showed Obama narrowly defeating him.

So yeah yeah yeah all you like. Hillary and her campaign of political entitlement has been imploding for some time now, and if it ends up in a floor fight I hope they use her as a mop.

I like how you guys act like there is a difference between Clinton and Obama.

There actually is quite a bit of difference between the two if you care to look. But if you want to suffer along with the intentionally self disempowered, then you of course will see none.

hahahahahahah self disempowerment. This is coming from a person who votes on who their master is. Now tht is funny.

I know this is hard for you to understand but we dont have any say so anyway. Government will do what they want reguardless of what the people say.

It depends on what you are talking about. Presidential elections? This is a contest for the elite, not the common man. Just the money alone, that is required to stage a campaign, get television ads for recognition etc.. ensures that only those candidates with strong support and backing from powerful political figures and wealthy moguls, will ever have a shot at beiing in a substantive campaign. It is rigged, but only slightly rigged. The wealthy and the powerful do not agree on everything. They will put their own horses into the race. Some will go out on a limb, when they feel they can succeed or they are immune from backlash, and they will strongly back a certain candidate publicly, but most businesses hedge their bets and will contribute to both campaigns (Republican and Democrat) so it cannot be said they gave no support to the winner.

At first glance it would appear to nullify their contribution, after all, they are contributing to BOTH campaigns. What good does that do? But that is thinking like an ordinary person not a politician. Yes, they are contributing to both campaigns, but the campaigns need money for airtime, to pay salaries, for campaign offices, etc... Better to get the money, than not get it. Even if you are giving it to their opponent too.

But as to the idea that everything is rigged?

Slavery would still exist if everything was rigged. Women would still not have the right to vote if everything was rigged. Blacks would be using "black only" public restrooms if everything was rigged.

The protests against the Vietnam war had an effect. The Civil Rights movement had an effect. Anger at Bush over Iraq is having an effect.

Politicians, though often self serving, depend upon voters to be elected. Looking at some of the people waltzing into the Congress, it is clear, that not everything is rigged.

They rig what they can get away with. But the power of the people, when organized and persistent, WILL be felt and heard.

Right now, there is a slow but sure path being blazed for world government. If the Rockefellers had their way, we would have had that more than half a century ago.

if it ends up in a floor fight I hope they use her as a mop.

I love it when they start eating their own!

hahahahahahah self disempowerment. This is coming from a person who votes on who their master is. Now tht is funny.

Felicity, even though I do not care to vote in these elections, and even though I feel you had a point about it being useless at times (Because those damn electoral votes can crush the popular votes), I think we need to let people do what they wish.

Look, voting serves a purpose, even if the game is somewhat rigged up already with those electoral votes. Let people vote who they want for, and by the way, you keep using that term "Master." That is an annoying term... Also, they are your masters too, in case you did not notice you are living in the United States, under our laws, and rules... And unless you find a way to live on a far off island with no laws, then you will always be under a "master," as you like to call them, as well.

Do not think I do not agree to some extent that this government is overbearing, I just do not look at it like you do, calling them "masters," or calling us slaves. We are fairly functional for "slaves," in my opinion, go look at the Civil War, there is a big difference between those slaves and us.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

Maybe we should make this a sticky! Lmao. "Hey, welcome to BandMix, want to get your head bitten off! Over here schmuck!"

Why focus on the past? Hmm we have a puppet government staging terror attacks to bring us into an Orwellian nightmare and you are asking why I am talking about the past?

Let me say this again, voting will get you nowhere! It is a false choice, no matter which candidate wins, government wins. We are in a lose lose situation.

It doesnt matter who gets in whether it be McCain, Clinton, or Obama, we will still be in the same position that we are in now. None of these candidates will do anything about civil liberties. When who ever comes to office next, I will just be waiting for the next staged crisis to bring us into the next phase of slavery.

So you have no suggestions on how to fix things other than shout Revolution? It sounds like you have just given up and are a slave to your conscience. I guess the big bad government monster has truelly beat you down. You have my sympathy..................I hope it all works out for you.