General Music Chat

Hi Folks,

What are you doing today? I read most posts from here but refrain from entering (Normally) into the PolitRockit stuff as you know. A band asked me a question on Reverb last night, I found it this morning.
http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/ques ... ist_753796

They said my genre was akin to the 'Gentle Giant'. Fabulous band, and of course from Sunny England.
Has anyone here heard of them? What a role model, sincerely. Flattered of course, and no where near their capabilities.

Link here: Admire what they do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM-yGcpaY_4

I've only heard this tight nit kind of complicated music from very early Genesis. These people are still going and proud.

Worth a watch and listen. total concert is on the link above.

Cheers:
Chipfryer

Hi Folks,

What are you doing today? I read most posts from here but refrain from entering (Normally) into the PolitRockit stuff as you know. A band asked me a question on Reverb last night, I found it this morning.
http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/ques ... ist_753796

They said my genre was akin to the 'Gentle Giant'. Fabulous band, and of course from Sunny England.
Has anyone here heard of them? What a role model, sincerely. Flattered of course, and no where near their capabilities.

Link here: Admire what they do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM-yGcpaY_4

I've only heard this tight nit kind of complicated music from very early Genesis. These people are still going and proud.

Worth a watch and listen. total concert is on the link above.

Cheers:
Chipfryer

I've listened to Gentle Giant since my early teens.
Great band.
Probably an influence on my bass playing.
I never got into Genesis, although I always liked Peter Gabriel's solo stuff.
Another band influenced a bit by GG are the Meat Puppets.
But, this is only really apparent on their third album "Up on The Sun".
Very worth checking out.

Meat Puppets - Up on the Sun
http://youtu.be/i6pzaRulgg0

Chip,
that is a fascinating page you have there,
I personally don't get the the question about the band you kinda would fit in with,
I mean ?
"you sound is good and you would fit in with X ?"
what are you supposed to do with that information?
well I guess their just trying to make conversation.


actually intrigued by the guy who is seeking out the consulting job with God.

I saw Gentle Giant open for Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick tour. Geez that was a long time ago!

I feel a band or musicians greatest complement is that you don't sound like someone else.

Not a knock, because I know it's human nature to compare / contrast.

Just a thought.

Thanks peeps.

Mike, I'd never heard of the meat puppets until you mentioned them, odd. I have them on while working now. OMG! He sounds so flat... in places....
Phenominal bass player in Gentle Giant, my oh my.

JCP, I have no direct connection as you know LOL! I'll leave that to Sans... I don't mind chatty really, I get a few PM's each day and increasingly, nice to talk and all that. Thanks JCP.

Sans, that is an RN feature, you can either post it, or leave it. Since most say that is my genre, I chose to post it. I agree, being original and all that, but I nearly always hear someone else in anything I've listened to.

Thanks again peeps.
Chippy

Mike, I'd never heard of the meat puppets until you mentioned them, odd. I have them on while working now. OMG! He sounds so flat... in places....

Funny you should mention that.
The Meat Puppets originated as a hardcore punk band.

"Up on the Sun" resembled the folk-rock of The Byrds more than punk, and some of the group's fans accused Meat Puppets of sounding dangerously like hippies and abandoning their punk roots. In keeping with their unconventional way of doing things, both Cris and Curt Kirkwood purposefully sang the entire album off key.

I feel a band or musicians greatest complement is that you don't sound like someone else.

Not a knock, because I know it's human nature to compare / contrast.

Just a thought.

George, I believe all music (and generally all human knowledge) is built upon what was done previously. Beethoven stood upon the shoulder's of Bach, and Brahms stood upon Beethoven's. Every guitar player worth a damn cites Jimi Hendrix as an inspiration; he changed the way the instrument was perceived and played. So if you sound like no one, there's a good chance your music is not relevant ("it sucks" is the popular phrase). To be new and original and not suck is very difficult. I take it as a compliment when someone says "that song reminds me of the Dictators" because it means my music is relevant to someone.

I feel a band or musicians greatest complement is that you don't sound like someone else.

Not a knock, because I know it's human nature to compare / contrast.

Just a thought.

George, I believe all music (and generally all human knowledge) is built upon what was done previously. Beethoven stood upon the shoulder's of Bach, and Brahms stood upon Beethoven's. Every guitar player worth a damn cites Jimi Hendrix as an inspiration; he changed the way the instrument was perceived and played. So if you sound like no one, there's a good chance your music is not relevant ("it sucks" is the popular phrase). To be new and original and not suck is very difficult. I take it as a compliment when someone says "that song reminds me of the Dictators" because it means my music is relevant to someone.

Other than the first statement I totally disagree.
But it's an interesting and common conception . . . I simply don't accept that not being "relate - able" to another artist means your art sucks.
If that were true nothing would evolve from the starting point.

Isn't that where inspirations and influences spring from? You cannot be saying that your style isn't based upon something you heard before right George?
I'd love to think everything I did was original, but that just ain't the case, it isn't, it never will be, whatever genre I decide to follow.

Perhaps you are trying to say people shouldn't emulate, but I think that also is impossible since our mental makeup always remembers what feeds our needs.

I'm not so sure I like people saying I sound like frankly..... I'd love to be unique, and as a human I am, however what I can form in terms of what I want to achieve is guided by what I like I suppose.

At Mike: No idea they did that on purpose lol! Ver interesting indeed, thanks for sharing, I might just do that, they said I was pretty good at it some years ago lol!
Be well all,

Chippy

Other than the first statement I totally disagree.
But it's an interesting and common conception . . . I simply don't accept that not being "relate - able" to another artist means your art sucks.
If that were true nothing would evolve from the starting point.

Isn't that where inspirations and influences spring from? You cannot be saying that your style isn't based upon something you heard before right George?
I'd love to think everything I did was original, but that just ain't the case, it isn't, it never will be, whatever genre I decide to follow.

Perhaps you are trying to say people shouldn't emulate, but I think that also is impossible since our mental makeup always remembers what feeds our needs.

I'm not so sure I like people saying I sound like frankly..... I'd love to be unique, and as a human I am, however what I can form in terms of what I want to achieve is guided by what I like I suppose.

At Mike: No idea they did that on purpose lol! Ver interesting indeed, thanks for sharing, I might just do that, they said I was pretty good at it some years ago lol!
Be well all,

Chippy

Other than the first statement I totally disagree.
But it's an interesting and common conception . . . I simply don't accept that not being "relate - able" to another artist means your art sucks.
If that were true nothing would evolve from the starting point.

Everything you can think of...every innovation and idea, no matter... Its all been thought of and done in some fashion, long before the existence of America, Europe and 7-11. In terms of music, You either have the muse or you don't. Everything else is substandard. Lawrence Welk proves the point... He was the musicians mechanic of mechanics and he knew his times tables very well... But didn't do a damn thing for music or the world (otther than ballroom pastorals and 'bobble muzic". BTW, having the muse is not something that flows around in abundance... The reality is... Nobody here on BM has it by the full definition...and its not really something you can grow. That 's why I will never quit my day job. But the consolation is that you , us, we will never ever have to worry about being a freak show... Cause that's generally what happens to folks who have that muse.

Everything you can think of...every innovation and idea, no matter... Its all been thought of and done in some fashion, long before the existence of America, Europe and 7-11.

And yet still today (almost) every adaptation is unique because humans are as unique as the patterns on their fingertips.

In other words, we can try to cover something exactly and it won't be.

In terms of music, You either have the muse or you don't.

imo, everyone has it.

The trick is learning how to concentrate and focus until inspiration is complete and then record/write what comes out.

Everything you can think of...every innovation and idea, no matter... Its all been thought of and done in some fashion, long before the existence of America, Europe and 7-11.

And yet still today (almost) every adaptation is unique because humans are as unique as the patterns on their fingertips.

In other words, we can try to cover something exactly and it won't be.

In terms of music, You either have the muse or you don't.

imo, everyone has it.

The trick is learning how to concentrate and focus until inspiration is complete and then record/write what comes out.

I used to think the same way Ted. I though everybody had the muse... But Now I don't think that anymore.
1) Kids 'cannot' be anything they want to be... If they could, they'd all be the best at anything they set their minds to accomplish... Reality dictates that they cant, therefore they aren't...and thus they should choose something that they have comparative advantage in.

Condaleeza Rice will never work it out as a stripper... and Fi-Fi the Wonder Woman should never leave the side of her own pole... in favor of a leadership position at a DC forum. That's the reality.. We rise (or descend) to our natural level of competence and we are bound to it...Its the card we are dealt and we either work with it or we don't.

My Definition of MUSE might be different that others'. My definition subscribes to the notion that a muse is really a divine and extraordinary gift, possessed by very few individuals, who are surrounded by mediocrity and plain ignorance. A good market strategy does not change that reality. It just says that the incumbents of coveted awards and seats, have merely proved how much flaw there is, in how we define good, bad, etc. At the end of the day, there is Beethoven and then there is everyone else.

To possess a real muse, is , IMHO, to posses VIP access to a given mystery of the universe, which no others can comprehend.

1) Kids 'cannot' be anything they want to be... If they could, they'd all be the best at anything they set their minds to accomplish..

Yes, they can and you swerved into the answer why they don't. They have to "set their minds to accomplish" and then follow up by doing the necessary work. I didn't say they could do it easily, or that it would come overnight.

Condaleeza Rice will never work it out as a stripper...

I'm sure someone finds her to be "hot"....so she could if that was what she wanted to do

My Definition of MUSE might be different that others'. My definition subscribes to the notion that a muse is really a divine and extraordinary gift, possessed by very few individuals, who are surrounded by mediocrity and plain ignorance.

When you first posted that I had to look up the definition of "muse" and apparently it goes back to greek mythology, where the 7 daughters of Zeus would whisper inspiration for the arts into someone's brain.

So it appears that the definition is really only "outside inspiration" for creating artistic efforts.

I believe that songs are floating in the air around us constantly. It's really only a matter of taking time to "hear" them and then concentration to see it through to completion.

The only difference between one person and the next is their desire to sustain concentration for as long as it takes.

1) Kids 'cannot' be anything they want to be... If they could, they'd all be the best at anything they set their minds to accomplish..

Yes, they can and you swerved into the answer why they don't. They have to "set their minds to accomplish" and then follow up by doing the necessary work. I didn't say they could do it easily, or that it would come overnight.

Condaleeza Rice will never work it out as a stripper...

I'm sure someone finds her to be "hot"....so she could if that was what she wanted to do

My Definition of MUSE might be different that others'. My definition subscribes to the notion that a muse is really a divine and extraordinary gift, possessed by very few individuals, who are surrounded by mediocrity and plain ignorance.

When you first posted that I had to look up the definition of "muse" and apparently it goes back to greek mythology, where the 7 daughters of Zeus would whisper inspiration for the arts into someone's brain.

So it appears that the definition is really only "outside inspiration" for creating artistic efforts.

I believe that songs are floating in the air around us constantly. It's really only a matter of taking time to "hear" them and then concentration to see it through to completion.

The only difference between one person and the next is their desire to sustain concentration for as long as it takes.

Okaeeee... I still disagree about kids. They unequivocally and absolutely cannot do 'anything they want". Again...The key concept here is that if they 'could' they would. If you don't believe me, then, grab any kid you see, who always loses at hide and seek... and persuade him /her to be the best detective on earth. Take any kid you see, who loves to dance and insist that they become the best CPA in the world. You cant, they cant ..its that simple.

To suggest and insist and to a child that he/she can 'do anything', in the absence of, or indifference toward their own comparative advantage is down right dishonest to that child. (Mind... its not the same as genuinely providing encouragement...if a child needs to flap some wing...)

Look around.,the world is full of some really fkd up kids, who are lost and confused about their own purpose and role in life. They cant decide which direction to take because they have been fed lines and lines of bullshit from parents, who cant even back up their own assertions.

To be fair... Einstein sucked at math and he hated his job a the patent office... But he went on to become the highest ranking physicist/ scientist known in the modern world. Nobody BUT Albert could have pulled that off... It distinguished him and set him apart from all others. How many more Einsteins do you see today in your community?

As for the def of Muse... That's indeed the Greeks. They described it in terms of myth, rather than leave it hanging... Mine is one better. Where they call it a whisper... I call it a 'divine gift'.
And BTW... since you are a man of God, you should have no problem understanding that with god, there are specific purposes for each of us, and that according to his will, our tasks come with the right tools and skills. I challenge you to take on the Office of the Presidency , starting now...and knock it out of the park

And.. no matter how badly a kid wants it, he ain't gonna cut it as a Jesus Christ. There is only one Christ. Having said that, kids cannot do or be 'anything' they want. In this life, The universe simply isn't set up that way.