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#196099 by PaperDog
Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:42 am
fisherman bob wrote:I'm moving one of my websites to Wordpress. Do any of you have any experience wth it?


Yes. its the equivilent of buying and playing a bass from JC penny.

I recommend something like Dreamweaver for what you want to do. There is also Visual Web Dev (Microsoft) which is pretty straight forward.

Youre not gonna get far with Word press.

This is the mistake lots of people make... They are not true web developers, and their sites reflect that... and they dont get nearly the attention from surfers that they could get.

Dude if you want your site to get serious, pay a professional web developer. Its really the only hope. Too many people thinks its just a simple matter of slapping up a page. They are wrong...

#196103 by Chippy
Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:22 am
Extensive experience, and it is a great tool, but with a long learning curve. Actually in 2011 "14.7% of the top million websites in the world"
Sources:
http://capstonelouisvillewebdesign.com/ ... wordpress/
http://en.wordpress.com/stats/
If I'm not mistaken, the New York Times and many other newspapers use Worpress

Joomla and Drupal are also options with a great community, I've been with both for about 12 years, alongside Wordpress.

Sorry to disagree. Dreamweaver isn't the best tool anymore. Even if it was, you would need first hand CSS experience to create anything worth viewing. Of course if you are a hand coder, then that and NVU (FREE) are the way to go.

The advantages of WordPress/Drupal/Joomla is that they all have FREE extensions for the novice to add.

Join the various support forums and ask about each there. You'll get better answers I feel.
Cheers
Chippy

#196134 by PaperDog
Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:19 pm
Chippy wrote:Extensive experience, and it is a great tool, but with a long learning curve. Actually in 2011 "14.7% of the top million websites in the world"
Sources:
http://capstonelouisvillewebdesign.com/ ... wordpress/
http://en.wordpress.com/stats/
If I'm not mistaken, the New York Times and many other newspapers use Worpress

Joomla and Drupal are also options with a great community, I've been with both for about 12 years, alongside Wordpress.

Sorry to disagree. Dreamweaver isn't the best tool anymore. Even if it was, you would need first hand CSS experience to create anything worth viewing. Of course if you are a hand coder, then that and NVU (FREE) are the way to go.

The advantages of WordPress/Drupal/Joomla is that they all have FREE extensions for the novice to add.

Join the various support forums and ask about each there. You'll get better answers I feel.
Cheers
Chippy


I'd be very surprised if those 14 % relied soley and exclusively on WordPress. Most professional sites actually use a variety of Dev kits for various purposes on a site. Sure, you can use Word press exclusively, but you are extremely limited on your design options and you pretty much are stuck with those extensions.

Not saying Wordpress is bad or a wrong option... But it still doesn't solve for many design issues. As for CSS, I recommend ALL site developers to learn it . Its not hard, and it serves as an excellent predecessor to the principles of OOP programming and Web Design. WHy do we care? becuase even WOrdpress will have to adapt itself accordingly...

#196139 by fisherman bob
Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:32 pm
Thanks for the info. The present program we're using has serious flaws. My partner does the editing on a Mac and I do the editing on a PC. When he gets the homepage looking good on a Mac it looks terrible on a PC and vice-versa. The techs at the hosting company can't figure/resolve the problem (or they don't want to bother). Part of our moving it involves hope the new web hosting company is a bit more responsive. I'm pretty much a computer illiterate. We've done one format this year and we'll try another one next year, no rush to get it "perfect." We're trying Wordpress next year. We've got all of December to build the website, work out the kinks, experiment, and then lauch the "new and improved version" (hopefully). This stuff is all new to me. Kind of a fun toy to play around with for now.

#196145 by PaperDog
Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:55 pm
fisherman bob wrote:Thanks for the info. The present program we're using has serious flaws. My partner does the editing on a Mac and I do the editing on a PC. When he gets the homepage looking good on a Mac it looks terrible on a PC and vice-versa. The techs at the hosting company can't figure/resolve the problem (or they don't want to bother). Part of our moving it involves hope the new web hosting company is a bit more responsive. I'm pretty much a computer illiterate. We've done one format this year and we'll try another one next year, no rush to get it "perfect." We're trying Wordpress next year. We've got all of December to build the website, work out the kinks, experiment, and then lauch the "new and improved version" (hopefully). This stuff is all new to me. Kind of a fun toy to play around with for now.



Bob, You should not be Co-Designing between Mac and PC. Do it in one or the other, but not both, since platfoms in this case will just toss in a wrench.

This site is an excellent site for people who are learning about web page development and scripting. The Consortium is behind the standardization of web development (WHich is how WordPress and other tools are able to emerge)

http://www.w3schools.com

Given the content type of your Page, you can get away with Wordpress... but you might lose a wealth of options.

#196147 by fisherman bob
Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:02 pm
I'll be getting a pro tutorial on designing the website. I might leave the designing to my partner in crime. He has a new job where he spends 8 hours a day designing a website for his retail store he's managing. He'll be light years ahead of me in a few weeks.

#196150 by Chippy
Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:13 pm
Bob, do yourself a favor and ask people that know.
Go to the various software forums and ask around. I did some years a ago, served me well it did.

For every single computer, there are 10,000 gurus.
Be well, good luck.

Cheers,
Chippy

#196228 by PaperDog
Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:50 am
Chippy wrote:Bob, do yourself a favor and ask people that know.
Go to the various software forums and ask around. I did some years a ago, served me well it did.

For every single computer, there are 10,000 gurus.
Be well, good luck.

Cheers,
Chippy


Chippy, Hes doing that now... :lol:

#196243 by Starfish Scott
Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:03 pm
I think he meant know in person, face to face. Idk for sure.

On the "net" people are likely to say anything from what their wife did today to anything at all that strikes their fancy.

Something about face to face that reduces that and pasteurizes reflection, so that IMO you get a better answer, sometimes.

#196272 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:26 pm
I preface by saying I'm ignorant and blissfully so when it comes to webdesign. Leave it to the professionals...


But my webmaster has told me for years to do a blog on Wordpress that he could link to our site because it has the tools to make it easy for an ignoramus like me to figure out without having to read a manual. That way I can change the content daily without him having to change my website.

Hope that is helpful??

#196316 by PaperDog
Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:44 pm
yod wrote:I preface by saying I'm ignorant and blissfully so when it comes to webdesign. Leave it to the professionals...


But my webmaster has told me for years to do a blog on Wordpress that he could link to our site because it has the tools to make it easy for an ignoramus like me to figure out without having to read a manual. That way I can change the content daily without him having to change my website.

Hope that is helpful??


I was working on/designing and scripting a full blown professional Web site Using the .NET studio tools... Its a freaking pain in the ass because half the sh*t in there doesn't work the way it is supposed to work, and MS cant even answer my Fkn questions.

So May be Wordpress IS the answer. I am a bonafide IT professional, and I'm here to tell ya that IT technology sucks donkey dicks... I'm done with it. The can all go fk themselves :)

#196366 by Chippy
Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:44 am
(Thanks Scott - Yes).
Tough looking at a screen with only messages to help. I've walked hundreds through just about everything.
There are plenty of freebies out there, with simple setup. The MAIN problem is that many are wary of people uploading music owing to music copyrights.
Hence they are problematic for a person without any true web design knowledge. Many allow for embedded flash, which will of course allow you to have a player in place. Trouble is, you'd have to know flash too.

In essence parking your songs is the problem for a newbie. Somewhere with a direct link.

The WEB loves RSS feeds. (At present). Joomla / Drupal / Wordpress have these as standard, just publish and its there, no coding needed and a great tool.

I would still however (Bob), sign up on all three forums of the above. Write a simple set of questions, and wait. They are all unpaid, so it will not be quick, but you'll find some information. They are good guys, all of them. OPEN SOURCE ROCKS.

Pardon the pun.
@Paper, No offense taken or given ~ Cheers.
Chippy

#196414 by PaperDog
Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:32 pm
Chippy wrote:(Thanks Scott - Yes).
Tough looking at a screen with only messages to help. I've walked hundreds through just about everything.
There are plenty of freebies out there, with simple setup. The MAIN problem is that many are wary of people uploading music owing to music copyrights.
Hence they are problematic for a person without any true web design knowledge. Many allow for embedded flash, which will of course allow you to have a player in place. Trouble is, you'd have to know flash too.

In essence parking your songs is the problem for a newbie. Somewhere with a direct link.

The WEB loves RSS feeds. (At present). Joomla / Drupal / Wordpress have these as standard, just publish and its there, no coding needed and a great tool.

I would still however (Bob), sign up on all three forums of the above. Write a simple set of questions, and wait. They are all unpaid, so it will not be quick, but you'll find some information. They are good guys, all of them. OPEN SOURCE ROCKS.

Pardon the pun.
@Paper, No offense taken or given ~ Cheers.
Chippy


No Worries Chippy, ;) ... and dont mind me...I'm just showing my de-crepit, grumpy old fart side. That's nobody's fault but God's ;)

#196446 by fisherman bob
Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:55 am
I won't likely be putting any music on the website, maybe a couple of embedded Youtube vids, but I understand that there's no worries when it comes to putting them on a website. That's actually what they are for, to be shared by everyone.

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