General Music Chat

I mean seriously,
black sabbath?
that just sounds like longing for the good old days
that animals as leaders vid was better than black sabbath.
black sabbath shocking to mom in 1972 yes
good naaaaaa not very good.

all that purest talk about guitar tones is just that, talk
overdrive guitar has a thousand more colors in it than your typical jazz guitar.
if any jazz player ventures outside of that stagnant pond, they are rejected by the purists.

"purists"??? who gives a flying leap about "purists"? i have no use for purists of any stripe. and for the record i have nothing against "overdriven" gtr tones....but not when it's to the point where it's so overcompressed and overprocessed that it obscures what kind of a gtr it is.....or when it's used as a crutch to hide behind to cover slop.

i get it... "clean jazz gtr tone" ain't your thing...but say what you will, it takes balls and chops to play clean w/o hiding behind boatloads of compression and processing. on the other hand anyone w a little bit talent can sound fairly respectable running endless straight 1/16 or 1/32 notes at 180 BPM w shitloads of compression playing that style.

which is why mainstream jazz is a stagnant pond.
and stagnant ponds smell and are boring.

to each his own pond then. i hear ideas, improvising, reacting in the moment to what the other band members are playing, and execution in straight ahead jazz.

that other stuff....i only hear "execution", and playing sheet super fast cos' why?...cos' that makes it more "brutal" sounding???

improvising, reacting in the moment and ideas=art

execution, and playing super fast=craft

I mean seriously,
black sabbath?
that just sounds like longing for the good old days
that animals as leaders vid was better than black sabbath.
black sabbath shocking to mom in 1972 yes
good naaaaaa not very good.

ok....now explain WHY the Animals As Leaders vid is better than Black Sabbath.

i'm curious to hear your rationale.

people only say that stuff is better cause heard it when they were 12 and very impressionable
if it was a new band today they couldn't get arrested,
if they opened for rob zombie, people wold throw rotten food at them

i dunno. how many yrs later and people STILL talk about sabbath....and still listen to their stuff. not just geezers either. i suspect people will still listen to their stuff and talk about them for some time....

...rob zombie, animals as leaders...ten yrs from now who's gonna be listening and talking about them?

depends on who get the reality tv show......

depends on who get the reality tv show......

huh?

I liked the Animals tune. In the early / mid seventies John McLauthen (sp?) did a jazz fusion approach that was not so radically different conceptually than this sort of high energy metal approach.

It's plenty aggressive too. That works for me.

Talbot

It is harder to play cleanly with a lot of saturation. If you mask it with a slight delay, reverb, plus's whatever, then ya - not so hard.
If it is straight overly saturated with gain - good luck with that.

Hard Rock / Metal recordings have been slamming on the compressor for years now.

You misunderstand a little bit, Planetguy. Its the recordings.
I've never noticed any metal players with a compressor / sustainer pedal, playing live.
I've seen funk and country players use them though.

All guitars sound more or less the same with battery powered pickups - not the case with passive pickups.


I vowed to never use an active pup, but then that devil JCP had to show me that SA set today...

I tried to listen to that Animals video. kept clicking ahead, one part sounded just as undifferentiated as the next until about 4 minutes in - there was a slow melodic part for about 20 seconds, then it went all rogue again. Just noise, no substance. You can't sing, hum or even dance along to it, short of bashing bodies against each other in a pit.

The jazz thing Planetguy posted was more listenable, even if not my type of music.

I liked the Animals tune. In the early / mid seventies John McLauthen (sp?) did a jazz fusion approach that was not so radically different conceptually than this sort of high energy metal approach.

It's plenty aggressive too. That works for me.

Talbot

John McLaughlin and the Mahavishnu Orchestra Mike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMxI5C4Pls4

I tried to listen to that Animals video. kept clicking ahead, one part sounded just as undifferentiated as the next until about 4 minutes in - there was a slow melodic part for about 20 seconds, then it went all rogue again. Just noise, no substance. You can't sing, hum or even dance along to it, short of bashing bodies against each other in a pit.

The jazz thing Planetguy posted was more listenable, even if not my type of music.

"Rock 'n Roll is the most brutal, ugly, desperate, vicious form of expression it has ever been my misfortune to hear."


Frank Sinatra

I'd bet Charlie Hunter could play the Animals As Leaders stuff no problem. I doubt the Animals guy could keep up with some of the stuff Hunter plays.

" it now became more fashionable to be recognized , not, for what you do but for being ahead of what others do. to speak a language only suited for the especially initiated, far above the vulgar and mundane experience of everyday people. "
Eugen Weber.

BUMP on this train wreck.

God, ya leave for a few days and it"s "clean up in aisle 2". lol