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You know, Glen, the poor have always been here. That will never change.

It is the Marxism of both parties to bring about forced taxation toward retirement and take money from people to give to other people when they stop working, when each should be allowed to use their own money to invest in their own retirement, which would render them more money, and retain the principle of personal responsibility and accountability.

Social Security is not secure, never really was, being just a money scheme, and soon will not be at all, simply because of the number of workers mounting to pay for one retired person. I always thought every person was putting money into an account with their name. I was totally uninformed, as most Americans have been about the scheme. Now, it is a sacred cow. No one will touch it. It is socialism and total denial of Constitutional provisions for limited government.

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I should add, before anyone jumps down my throat, the beneficent organizations and the goodness of the American people had always been there to help the poor and deal with needs when they've arisen. Now the middle class are struggling, there is little to go around, and everything in America feels the pinch. All because of the federal government's schemes, abuse of powers, and Americans learning to care more about some movie star or sports figure than their own God given rights, citizenship, and national history.

You are so right. You don't have to apologize for anything. THE STUPID AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO APOLOGIZE!!!!

I really don't care for the libertarian platform, but I agree he's a great deal better than the two clowns they insist we choose from.

I still say Jill Stein or Rocky Anderson are the BEST candidates and both are on the ballot in roughly 45 states.

I'm tired of voting against candidates, This year I'm voting FOR someone.

You keep posting so many twisted responses,, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. A little CLEAR thinking here PLEASE.

You are a simpleton paperdog because of your foul language.
Who is the one party system? Here's your answer, sheep...
http://www.policymic.com/articles/16447 ... rty-system

jcp, you know the reasoning - vote conscience, spread out the votes, either way the split renders either Dem or Repub a win. Electorates do not vote by way of conscience.

It is dubious if everyone who voted conscience, voting for Paul, would see him POTUS. And many have serious issues with his foreign policy ideas about Islam and such, and they would not vote for him anyway. If he did not make POTUS, all factors given, that makes Obama the winner. That puts more of his appointees on SCOTUS, as well as federal benches. It would give him a mandate to surge with every bit of socialism and enlarging the Federal government as he possibly could if Congress swings his way. The economy further tanks, and by the end of the next four years we have riots in the streets like Spain and Greece. That will probably come anyway, but there is at least the chance that scenario slows down if Romney wins.

I hold my nose and vote against Obama and hope America stays America a little while longer.

Why? Look around you, on this very board. Neocons who insist he has no chance or that he's a wacko. Of course there are extreme liberals who say the same thing. People in the middle - libertarians - are the ones who lose. Ron Paul is the only Republican I ever have - or ever will vote for, and only because he really wasn't a Republican at all. But rational thought has never been a big part of the average American voter. At this point all you can do is vote for the one you think will do the least amount of damage. Do you want to continue the wars in the middle east? Romney wants to increase the defense budget by $2 trillion to prepare for war with Iran. Romney is the anti-Paul.

The question I have, Is why the heck would you vote for someone that is even further away from Ron Paul?

Yes, Romney is all ready rattling the sword in Syria. Just like Obama did in Libya. Both sides of these private national wars HATE AMERICA.
This is the muslim culture. The peace loving culture of muhammad. The religion that has attacked America and laughed as we impose our own self imposed sanctions on liberty.

MUHAMMAD,,,, GO FUUCK YOURSELF, AND ALL YOUR TWISTED RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS!!!!!

COME AND GET GET ME!

I was not referring to ron paul specificaly, in the case of paul, paperdog has somewhat a point, he ran on the republican ticket and lost, so he really has an obligation to support the party that supports him.

as far as voting to make the other guy lose, well that's a strategy I guess, long as you don't end up with a worse guy.
it is very possible that romney could be worse.
I will vote for the person who represents my views, regardless of standing.
maryland will go for Obama no matter what. so I might as well have my say.

I was not referring to ron paul specificaly, in the case of paul, paperdog has somewhat a point, he ran on the republican ticket and lost, so he really has an obligation to support the party that supports him.

as far as voting to make the other guy lose, well that's a strategy I guess, long as you don't end up with a worse guy.
it is very possible that romney could be worse.
I will vote for the person who represents my views, regardless of standing.
maryland will go for Obama no matter what. so I might as well have my say.

Romney is not a socialist that believes stealing is ok.
AT every level we have allowed government to pass laws that legalize theft of personal property, in ways that most of you folks don't even recognize.

We had two major food stores that shut down because the the property taxes reached a point where the owners felt they couldn't compete enough to make a profit. TAXES, HIDDEN TAXES. Now here is the real kicker,,,

Even a poor person on food stamps has to pay those taxes hidden in the cost of food. OUR GOVERNMENT IS EVEN TAXING THOSE THOSE IT CLAIMS TO HELP.

STUPID PEOPLE!!!!!!!!

as I said, it's far from a clear choice

I could vote for the Constitution Party candidate if I voted conscience, and my one vote wouldn't make any difference either way, I suppose. But, it's when you take the final count of collective reasoning is where it matters.

I cannot possibly see how Romney could be worse than Obama. More war? Well, the Nobel prizewinner hasn't proved to be a dove by any stretch since becoming POTUS.

The system is so heavily rigged at this point, and fenced in that trying to bring in more candidates from more parties and give them viable status is just about impossible, which is why Paul went Repub to begin with. That means the spiral continues, as you say.

Congress is where it is at, anyway. POTUS is a cheerleader and a pen, that's it. Authority rests with Congress for war, economy and purse strings, laws, appointees ...

Lame Congress - lame everything else.

collective reasoning?

you can't possibly be voting to influence collective reasoning, whatever that is.

What I meant was, if collective reasoning brought everyone to just vote conscience, the numbers will still stack out for Dem or Repub.

in this case NP is correct,
if you believe in a candidate you should vote for him, even though he is going to lose. that is how you build support over time.
I don't vote for the guy who will win I vote for the guy who represents my views.

I Unequivocally disagree. There is a reason why Ron Paul is not in the game...Its because he's been out-spent. I liken this to the Superbowl NFL. You might actually hate both teams, but if you sit there in the stadium and drink the beer, its retarded to bet money on a team that isn't even on that the game roster...
And if Ron Paul should come up with a brilliant play, its stupid and naive to believe that his idea wont be nicked and adopted by the players on the roster.
So voting for him like this is too late, and would be highly irresponsible. We got the cards that were dealt.

If yo want Ron Paul now and you actually believe in supporting him, then YOU (as in all followers) need to make sure he isn't out spent in 4 years from now.

SO Neanerthal and all other parrots, ..Put your money where your mouth is, or please just STFU

this would assume all votes aren't counted, and that interested parties do not look at the names and numbers people cast votes for.
and of course we all know that is not true.

That old mantra of a vote for X is wasted and benefits Y...
You want to talk parrots? I believe that old standby was unleashed in the 90s, and people have been parroting that lovely idea ever since.

At the risk of being inflammatory... BULL SHIIIIIIT

The popular vote is suppose to guide the electorates.
Now, if by some anomaly, Ron Paul turned out to have the most 'people' votes?

Would the representatives concede to the people, or would they vote for you as they saw fit?

Florida on a national scale would mean total chaos.

If the majority of people do not like either 'official' candidate, then prove it.
Burn this f**k down, and see where loyalties really lay.

If out of selfishness concerning job security, I would vote Romney. My job is tied to the defense budget.
If out of selfishness for assistance, being that I'm a single dad of an autistic toddler, I'd vote Obama.

I will do neither.
I will vote for Ron Paul because he has the right ideas. (To me)

Screw you if you don't like it. Huff and puff about wasted votes.

That old mantra of a vote for X is wasted and benefits Y...
You want to talk parrots? I believe that old standby was unleashed in the 90s, and people have been parroting that lovely idea ever since.

At the risk of being inflammatory... BULL SHIIIIIIT

The popular vote is suppose to guide the electorates.
Now, if by some anomaly, Ron Paul turned out to have the most 'people' votes?

Would the representatives concede to the people, or would they vote for you as they saw fit?

Florida on a national scale would mean total chaos.

If the majority of people do not like either 'official' candidate, then prove it.
Burn this f**k-er down, and see where loyalties really lay.

If out of selfishness concerning job security, I would vote Romney. My job is tied to the defense budget.
If out of selfishness for assistance, being that I'm a single dad of an autistic toddler, I'd vote Obama.

I will do neither.
I will vote for Ron Paul because he has the right ideas. (To me)

Screw you if you don't like it. Huff and puff about wasted votes.

You may as well just not vote.
Hear me now...Believe me later. It ain't rocket science to understand that popular votes equate to a consensus
Unfortunately, right now, if the entire consensus pointed to Ron Paul, the Electorate would still pick Obama or Romney. Them's the facts!

If Ron Paul's Ideas are so right, then either the Dems or the Repubs will pick those ideas up and either run with them or bury them.. They don't need Ron Paul to be present to pull it off. Them's the facts!