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We Luciferians play nice with everyone . . . just sayin'

thanks for the kind words vamp.

I'd like to say I wasn't always this level when discussing politics. There was a time, even here on this forum, that my passion and anger got the best of me- to the point that I had to leave the forums for a long time and let go of politics in general.

I took a few steps back and realized that almost every "fact" given to us, always had a counter-fact from someone else. Something as simple as whether or not GWB dodged the draft, or whether Obama has a birth certificate, becomes cloudy and argued.

Then someone turned me onto the real "free press", a collection of writers and sites that are sick of the BS in politics- think about it: journalists who are insterested in truth, justice, and the amercian way? Go figure! Most of them are like us unsigned musicians- making a horribly meager living (if you do it for a living) and just scraping by, but staying true to our convictions. So do they. Not always unbiased, but at least many of them provide factual citations to the truths, many cite the library of congress, us census results, actual documentation, public records, etc..

Fox news developed a very clever and misleading way to completely lie about something, mislead it's viewers, and yet have no "dog in the show" at the same time- it's brilliant. It's called "some people say"..

"Some people say that Obama tortured dogs when he was a kid"...

They can say that and have zero accountability, no sources, and yet now have spread an absolute LIE with no possibility of reprimand.

This is why we NEED truth in journalism.

factcheck.org is the truest site I've found- I've mentioned it several times here because it's widely considered the best source of verifiable facts on the internet. It's the mythbusters of politics.

AlterNet is another "progressive" site that cites facts with references in their articles. There are some OP/ED articles, but most of them are impassioned about a huge variety of not just politics, but health, sciences, education, etc.. There's a ton of great information there.

Anyways, I meant this post to be only a few sentences- what I wanted to say mostly is that I woke up one day and realized "my team" was no different than "your team".

Look at the platforms and ask the same questions of each:
Democrats- they have a platform, does any democrat actually live up to it?
Republicans - they have a platform, does any republican actually live up to it?
Libertarians - they have a platform, does any libertarian actually live up to it?
Greens - they have a platform, does any green actually live up to it?

Most politicians say one thing and do another. Only one party have I found the representatives to do exactly what their platform dictates, and where their individual records actually reflect the same things that come out their mouths. Only one party refuses to take any super-pac or corporate donations, and to-date not one member of that party has remotely bent or broken that rule.

Meanwhile all the other parties would have you all squabbling over guns, abortion, birth control, womens rights, and racism; while the world falls apart around you.

...KramerGuy ... some mature and others not. Still possessing true passion and anger gives one focus I feel. Your appraisal of "fact", "free press", "some people say" etc. are spot on in my opinion. I am guilty of utilizing the latter at times I admit.

Both my Wife and I began studying Journalism only to abandon it when we realized what it really was and still is ... even more so. You are correct "Truth is needed in Journalism" ... Truth is needed in every aspect of our existence now more than ever.

I have been familiar with AlterNet and FactCheck.Org since before I left California as the Drummer turned me onto them. You have my curiousity up regarding the "one party" that you relate which is vastly different to all of the others. Please enlighten me. I like very much the way you THINK.

Ta Live Well Die Well

...Politics is the Religion of the US and Enlightenment is profit.

The Greeks are dancing ... the Spanish are dancing ... the Italians are dancing .. as do many others .... their strings are beginning to fray.

Georgia's new President ...a capitalist pig puppet is now in place ...the prison expose worked well enough. Now Russia can be harassed at the tug of a string.

Japan in the midst of nuclear sepuku still proved useful with the island performance. Now China can be harassed at the tug of a string.

The "Rotting Queen" has given birth to the Dajal on the Ilse of Spies where all her serfs are watched with a thousand eyes.

The Health Emergency Act is now in place. Soon there will be not just Forced Innoculation Drills to face.

Turkey is the puppet dancing now, Yet another attempt at a Libyan style no fly zone performance.

Netanyahu is waiting to ride the bomb while black and white filth pretend to differ in hypocritcal debate to vie for the betrayal of a nation of idiots.

"By their deeds you shall know them" .... thses anti-humans, these demons who are like all those before them only worse.

This dawn has seen the beginnings of the last war of this age ...the only war of the next ... that of Mankind's survival or extinction. Soon Kali and Shiva will dance unstrung and free.



Ta Live Well Die Well

Georgia's new President ...a capitalist pig puppet is now in place ...the prison expose worked well enough. Now Russia can be harassed at the tug of a string.

Saakashvili is a rabidly anti-Russian capitalist pig puppet ... Ivanishvili will most likely be a capitalist pig puppet, but more likely to ease tensions with Russia. Both seek NATO membership. So on the face of it, it would appear to be a slight slackening of the string.

...Vinny ... good to hear from you. I thank you for your Post. What you say is anassailable I believe. The key words being " it would appear". Of course Georgia will be accepted into the UN, Nato, the EU, Santa's Xmas Club ot where ever ... much in advance of Palestine ever would be.

Once a member of NATO then Georgia will be outfitted with it's very own set of strings and the puppet dance will begin. This will in fact increase tensions with Russia and Georgia will be to Russia as Syria is to Iran.

The "humanitarian shreiking" will begin. Hillary will giggle as she says ... she came ...she saw ... and thousands more will die.

The outgoing Capitalist Pig Puppet had served his usefullness and was getting a little out of "remote control" so he had to go like all the other remote controlled Dictators.

This of course is merely my opinion but I believe it to be a part of the almost totally predictable strategy. The AntiHumanists are now out in the open for all to see but most are not "looking" at what is about to hammer them. They are not even aware of what has ans is silently killing them.

The US is about to be cast into WAR and made an utter police state where the depraved may play. The Great Culling is escalating.....

Ta Live Well Die Well

...Slacker G ... Kramerguy ... PaperDog ... Yod ... and any other ...

We are discussing what arguably can be one of the most hotly debated subjects in the entire world. It has always been in the "Top Ten" but has a spercial relevance at this moment in time. Yod is going to be there and we are all fortunate that should he continue to communicate when he is ..... this will give us a perspective that most do not have. This will be true regardless if we agree or not with his personal opinions.

I offer my thanks and compliments to you all as simply because of your sophistication this subject has not degenerated into an insult party of ego. Let us continue to debate, state, disagree, agree and demonstrate that this is in fact possible in light of everything. I respect all of you very much and entreat you to remain true to yourselves in disagreement and debate.

This is a unique and entirely unexpected opportunity for us all and any others who wish to "participate". None of us have a full and complete understanding of this _______ mess. Let us learn some things from one another and show the essence of what human is ... the good not the evil. I thank you all for your Posts and welcome more.

Ta Live Well Die Well

This is my 5th trip here and I've seen nothing that contradicts what I saw every time before. I've experienced extreme danger every time I've come before...but never from Israelis.

Spent all day with the Barak Brigade in the Golan Heights. They are the tank corp attached to the Golani Brigade and we were treated by a highly decorated Corporal. The people I'm with have been supporting them for 20 years with things like coats, shoes, backpacks, and creature comforts for this base so we were received as VIPs. Spent about an hour checking out a Merkel Tank. Those things are awesome! They have anti-missile defense systems that automatically shoot down incoming anti-tank weapons. No other nation on earth has that technology.

Today is also their "memorial day" for this brigade. Families are coming from all over Israel to mourn their common dead. I had the opportunity to ask several soldiers when they thought the war with Iran was going to start. Not one of them seemed eager for a fight, nor did they exhibit any hatred or anger. They also have no fear.

They genuinely don't want to kill anyone. If you could see how much they value every life, you'd know that Israel is not the problem. Most Arabs who live within Israel know that also.

However, if you even give the slightest impression in Bethlehem, Gaza, Nablus, Ramallah, etc that you don't hate Israel/Jews, then your life is in danger. One Pastor friend in Bethlehem had his brother's head thrown on his porch in a sack. He was welcomed by Israel and now lives in Jerusalem.

He could have gone to Gaza but chose not to live under Palestinian brutality. He could have been a second-class citizen with no rights in Egypt, Jordan, or Lebanon. The Syrians kill everyone who doesn't bow to Assad, and the Saudis would murder him for having a bible.

What's wrong with this picture, bro? Why do people hold Israel to a standard that no other nation on earth is held to?

You're an awesome person Yod, I now regret not meeting with you when you were up here . . . next time will be different.

and Vampier . . . "Magick" can be experienced personally by this thread that you started, an amazing map has taken shape!

...Slacker G ... Kramerguy ... PaperDog ... Yod ... and any other ...

We are discussing what arguably can be one of the most hotly debated subjects in the entire world. It has always been in the "Top Ten" but has a spercial relevance at this moment in time. Yod is going to be there and we are all fortunate that should he continue to communicate when he is ..... this will give us a perspective that most do not have. This will be true regardless if we agree or not with his personal opinions.

I offer my thanks and compliments to you all as simply because of your sophistication this subject has not degenerated into an insult party of ego. Let us continue to debate, state, disagree, agree and demonstrate that this is in fact possible in light of everything. I respect all of you very much and entreat you to remain true to yourselves in disagreement and debate.

This is a unique and entirely unexpected opportunity for us all and any others who wish to "participate". None of us have a full and complete understanding of this _______ mess. Let us learn some things from one another and show the essence of what human is ... the good not the evil. I thank you all for your Posts and welcome more.

Ta Live Well Die Well

This is my 5th trip here and I've seen nothing that contradicts what I saw every time before. I've experienced extreme danger every time I've come before...but never from Israelis.

Spent all day with the Barak Brigade in the Golan Heights. They are the tank corp attached to the Golani Brigade and we were treated by a highly decorated Corporal. The people I'm with have been supporting them for 20 years with things like coats, shoes, backpacks, and creature comforts for this base so we were received as VIPs. Spent about an hour checking out a Merkel Tank. Those things are awesome! They have anti-missile defense systems that automatically shoot down incoming anti-tank weapons. No other nation on earth has that technology.

Today is also their "memorial day" for this brigade. Families are coming from all over Israel to mourn their common dead. I had the opportunity to ask several soldiers when they thought the war with Iran was going to start. Not one of them seemed eager for a fight, nor did they exhibit any hatred or anger. They also have no fear.

They genuinely don't want to kill anyone. If you could see how much they value every life, you'd know that Israel is not the problem. Most Arabs who live within Israel know that also.

However, if you even give the slightest impression in Bethlehem, Gaza, Nablus, Ramallah, etc that you don't hate Israel/Jews, then your life is in danger. One Pastor friend in Bethlehem had his brother's head thrown on his porch in a sack. He was welcomed by Israel and now lives in Jerusalem.

He could have gone to Gaza but chose not to live under Palestinian brutality. He could have been a second-class citizen with no rights in Egypt, Jordan, or Lebanon. The Syrians kill everyone who doesn't bow to Assad, and the Saudis would murder him for having a bible.

What's wrong with this picture, bro? Why do people hold Israel to a standard that no other nation on earth is held to?

You're an awesome person Yod, I now regret not meeting with you when you were up here . . . next time will be different.

March 2013 will be almost exclusively in your area. I look forward to it, bro. We will be doing a march on the U.N. for Yom HaShoah. I'd love to walk beside you.

...YOD ... It is truly great to hear from you and that you have arrived safely. I shall welcome any of your thoughts and reports. I shall appreciate the time and care that you always take in them.

It seems there is much going on here that was not occurring before ... and very soon you will be in the centre of it there. Not a surprise to either of us I know but it is very real and I believe that most here have both concern for you there and appreciation for your words and thoughts. Please be careful and aware.

I know from certain sources (not on this Forum but personal} that thousands of marines and regulars have already been mobilized within this past week and shipped out ... to undisclosed locations of course. Some Nam Vets ... retired Colonels and up have told those that they are in touch with to "get our ducks in order".I need not tell you what this means ... they remain in touch and have their fingers upon the pulse so to speak. Many airforce Bases in the US have had up to 70% of their stationed Nuke Bombers, Refuelers and fighters depart for "undisclosed locations". Some were painted not desert camo but green. It is "rumoured" that some are moving to OZ and such.

"Domestic Movements" are also happening on an unprecedented level much like just before the Iraq Wars. In addition regular troopers are being deployed in US cities. Some I know in "Intelligence" US Army have been told yesterday to be ready for Nov. possibly before ... in short they are now on alert..

Turkey seems to be pushing things so agressively and too far ... that it seems obvious that there lies a "hidden agenda" or purpose behind it all ...perhaps a repeat of the great atrocity that was dubbed "Humanitarian" in what once was Libya. Many throughout the US who have been monitoring troop movements domestically have actually been arrested during this past week. "What's wrong with this picture" seems to be having a much wider application now I fear.

I entreat you to be very careful my friend as much is afoot. Your are standing on a very red target I believe ... so keep your eyes, ears and empathies open ... as you always seem to do. I for one will be thinking of you and sending you my thoughts and prayers. Any disagreements we may have should take a back seat now. We must concentrate on information and communication. Love and Respect to you.

Ta Live Well Die Well

... Etu ... I thank you for your Post and kind words. A map ... a path ...a way ...a course ... a song ... a vein.

Often just prior to a terminal patients death what is known commonly as a "surge" occurs. They become energetic, fully aware and coherent and know they are about to die. We are all connected ... everything. The entire composition of the universe is essientally composed of matter "vibrating" at different frequencies. In essence the Universe is therefore made of sound and this includes us as humans. That is why sound/music can alter the mental and physical states of humans.

Music activates nearly every region of the brain. The brains limbic system begins to "fire" when we have "pleasurable" experiences like music. These firing neurons help modulate levels of the neurotransmitters dopamine in the brain. Dopamine makes one feel positive so when one hears music they like this changes the chemical levels in their brain. This is very important to know as a Musician. With this ability also comes a responsibility.

I firmly believe that the planet ...our earth is now as a living/dying "thing" experiencing "A Surge". This has been obvious I feel to those with the sensitivity for quite some time. This underlying feeling/awareness, has and will continue to grow. As it becomes stronger, all living things will be affected. Species will act out of character and even commit mass seppuku. This has already happened on a small but growing extent. Man is no exception.

"Self Destruction" is becoming prevelant on many levels of life upon the planet. This will only increase now. Birds falling from the skies... migration in contrary ways ...fish and sea life do the same. Humanity is about to suffer mass casualties not only by it' very own hand but by celestial/natural means as well. This Self Destruction goes right down to a DNA and cellular level in all living things ... plant and animal.

It is merely Transformation ... the circle of existence ... Life to Death ...Death to Life. Music as I have always stated is "central" in all of this. As Musicians we have influence, power, ability and responsibility. Failure to address this will result Spiritually in a very negative way regardless of which religion, political party or candidate you choose to "believe" in. It transcends everything even nuclear obliteration.

Ta Live Well Die Well

... Any disagreements we may have should take a back seat now. We must concentrate on information and communication. Love and Respect to you.

Ta Live Well Die Well

Thanks, bro.


We have disagreements? I didn't know that?

I think you've got the wrong idea about what Israel is and what it isn't, but it's probably not your fault that you've been lied to.




I really thought the war would begin before I leave here on the 12th. I watched manuevers yesterday in the Golan from afar, but didn't get a sense they were doing anything more than basic training exercises...

I have changed my mind about it starting that soon.

Israelis seem to genuinely like the Persian people. They know that most Iranians are being victimized by the corrupt mullahs in charge. They understand that the peace-loving people of Iran would have no choice but to rally with the mullahs if Israel attacks, so they are most likely going to wait and see how the current rioting in the streets of Tehran turns out.

Seems like a matter of time before the regime crumbles under it's weight now. Of course, that is a dangerously unstable politically but could offer a better solution than an EMP sending everyone back to the 7th century.

...Thank you for your Post...Regarding disagreements ... I speak more of what we may say to on another and it's result with others here. I know that we respect one another and indeed like one another well enough to listen, think and discuss rather than argue or insult ... at the same time we have no problem relating what we think to one another either. But there are others here who are not as we and I do not wish to engender hatred as I have been trying for a while now in light of things to do the opposite.

Israel ... I readily admit that I know nothing of the real existing state of Israel at this moment since I have never lived or worked there. I have always believed that to really understand a place, a culture, that one must live and work there. Visiting is a brief window and the Mass Media are Liars ... this is certain.

I do know some Jews ... some Palestinians ... some Persians ... some Greeks ...some Pakistanis and Indians all personally .. all are educated, civil, intelligent and do have their various hang-ups just as everyone else. But I merely relate my thoughts, conclusions, questions, remarks and convictions. I would never consider myself an "authority" but rather a "student" ... at times rather Idealistic I hope.

There are those who believe that Netanyahu has no intention of attacking but rather is attempting to "blackmail" the black male into attacking Iran using the well publicised threat that "if you do not attack I will with Nuclear Weapons" ? Personally I find both of them as I do all political filth(politicians) ... Liars and unstable in their own ego-idiosyncratic ways. There are Generals at the Pentagon... some have come out and said it would be downright stupid. I believe them more than any politician since it is their craft.

Obviously the Black Messiah is doing what he can to remain the NWO's "boy" and also postpone anything until after the hideous spectacle of "The Election". But this being said, the NWO has it's own agenda and they have no quams about "discarding" anyone ... including Obama if it suits them. After all he is not in reality the Commander and Chief of anything, even his words as he does not write his ridiculous speeches and can not even memorize them as he uses a teleprompter. And when he does not, well reference the "debate" performance.

Exactly how Netanyahu figures into this madness I do not know but I am certain that in some major way he does. There are so very many ways to look at this "thing". I truly hope that your change of mind is correct. I admire you for doing so and having no Ego troubles ... one of those "little" things that endears one to you.

Jews and Arabs do have a fairly extensive history of actually living together without murdering one another and I think it is longer that the one where they do ? There is another speculation that the much vaunted "October Surprise" performance will be staged prior to the "Election" and that may involve any number of things from false flag events to WWIII.

Certainly martial law, mass arrests and confiscations will be included in the "Rally" to help re-elect the Black Messiah. For me it matters not which colour of filth is elected as they are one of the same..just my opinion.

Enforced Innoculation has been praticed so that could well be included as well. Perhaps a Virus Release or two or three ? "Domestic Terrorism" will certainly be a part and even maybe Civil War. Who knows what the AntiHumans will do ? Certainly they do not know exactly themselves and will "adjust" in accordance with the "developing situation" Please stay tuned to Fox news for "the Real Story".

Economic Collapse and enslavement (even greater than it is now) is a certainty. When ??? Very soon. I believe . The chess pieces are all but put in place now and the strategy long chosen ... so it is just a matter of tactical decisions now.

For Fun .....

Americans seem genuinely to hate the Persian people. They "believe" that most Iranians are stupid uneducated camel jockeys led by the crazed lunatics in charge. They "think" the war-loving people of Iran have no choice but to build nuclear weapons and attack Israel. They are not going to wait for Tehran to get a nuke but feel that the entire country must be turned into a parking lot and bombed back "Democratically" to the stone age. Seems like a matter of time before the UN crumbles under the weight of the NWO now. Of course this is a dangerously unstable situation politically ... militarily and Humanitarian wise... but it could offer a quick solution to world domination and "One World Government" sending everyone except the ultra rich, eugenic loving AntiHumanists ... back to the 7th century ?

Ta Live Well Die Well

Vamp

To my dismay a significant portion of conservatives have hyped themselves up into a belief that those devious Persians are the worst threat since Hitler.

Just as they did with the Iraqis...

Have we become a nation of pussies? We stood up to the most dangerous bastard in history, Joseph Stalin, and that freak had hydrogen bombs for gosh sake.

The Iranians are actually rather pleasant folks - but like us, they have assholes for leaders. And our assholes refused to support the freedom movement in Iran for what reason? I'm always for non-intervention but hell, you could say a kind word!

One has only to look at a map to see why the Iranians might want nukes - they are totally surronded by American troops and proxies. If were them I'd be mighty worried.

I don't get the animosity with Israel - they were getting along fine there for a while. I see why the Israelies are worried - nukes can take Israel apart pretty readily - it's a very small place. But the Israelis have plenty of nukes themselves. Why not stop rattling sabers at each other and just quiet down?

Nah...too simple.

Talbot

vamp, question for ya, in your opinion, is Assad lobbing the mortar shells into Turkey because Turkey is harboring rebel commanders, or is it the rebels themselves trying to get UN/NATO involved in the war by lobbing mortar shells across the border?.. worse yet, could it be our own CIA Special Forces we have embedded in Syria doing this?.. I am sure you have an opinion about how World War III might be starting before our very eyes.. SYRIA/RUSSIA vs. Turkey UN/NATO and eventually Iran Hezbollah and other Arab/Muslim armies join in..