Planetguy wrote:Vampier wrote:.... Freedom in this country is now an endangered thing ... does anyone disagree with this ? Ta
i disagree. strongly.
freedom is in the same shape now as it was under the reign of both bush's, clinton, carter,... all the way back to nixon.
if you repubs wanna talk about freedom being endangered....look at some of the crap nixon was pulling during his reign. you wanna bellyache about abuses of power????
we survived that....and we'll survive through obama's current and next term too. 
Whaaaaa???
Nixon was mild...He confessed without confessing, that he was a cheat... It was harmless... He played dirty tricks on Democrats, like calling voters at 3am , posing as democrats trying get votes.... He bugged hotels. That was no threat to freedom...just a threat t democrats holding an office...and to their privacy. Lets not forget, Nixon pulled us out of Vietnam when democrats not only threw us in that war, but also insisted on keeping us there... (in the name of commerce!) Just ask democrat "Lemme show ya mah scar" Lyndon Johnson, who BTW was a proud Texan...
Freedom was not under any threat under democrat Clinton... But he might undoubtedly be the king of all ethics breakdown... (when he 'lied' about that blow job) . BTW Clinton Started the Balkans conflict and supported Islamic terrorists, who went in to do the dirty work for the US, of ousting puppet Milosovic. Our American Democrat president personally signed the paperwork to get those Islamic fringe groups properly trained to the get the job done...(Its a matter of record) And ya wanna know how he paid for it? He LIED... like an oriental rug... to the democratic party, inciting humanitarian sentiments by using fake words like "Ethnic Cleansing" and 'genocide' to get the money out of their pockets. Dont believe me? Just ask Wesley Clark. and BTW Wesley was running as a democrat... Here's another fact fo ya...He violated international treaties surround the use of depleted uranium in his attacks on the Serbs... Now the Serbs are growing lettuce with eyeballs... Yeah bro, that's Our Democratic leadership at work for us... (and you guy whine about Bush??)
Does anybody remember a lil ol event called 911?? Bush responded accordingly and if i recall, I myself was glued to the TV to see the fireworks in Baghdad... You gonna tell us that you were watching "Dancing with the Stars"?

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Anybody with a military background will tell you that invasions aren't an overnight 1 hour show. American public seems to have turned into a bunch of bitchy little girls when they got bored and didn't get to see the fire works . So "The war has to end now...I don't wanna play no more"
Sorry for the rant Planet Guy,, But I think I sense that many of my fellow Americans (The leadership, that is) don't embrace that "Pay for keeps, Play to unequivocally win" mentality when it comes to war.
Regarding loss of freedom... Bwahahahaha! Yep We lost it! I first noticed it when a TSA agent ran his thumb through my butt crack at a check point. I noticed it again, when that guy took an heirloom (a 75 year old silver pen knife) away from an egyptian friend at the airport I dropped him off at... I noticed it when it had to be a public debate in order to persuade a certain financier of Mosques from building on our sacred site in NY. I noticed it when we lost an ICE agent to a bunch of thugs using our US made weapons, and when Eric Holder refused to do the right thing and step down...
Tomorrow, when you wake up...Pick up the phone and dial any Fed agency in DC and ask" Who DO I have to talk to ...to pop the president once in the jaw?"
Then sit back with a cup of coffee and wait... Lemme know how that freedom that you think we aint lost, is working out for ya
