General Music Chat

The point is it's never OK to assume the role of judge, jury and executioner. That's why we have laws. The big problem is how he killed him - when you beat someone to death there's an intent to kill; he could have beat him severely and left him to rot in prison or be executed, since this is Texas. He might actually have been better off to shoot the perp. I predict this is not the end of this case.

Plaintiff : representing plaintiff Family member of deceased perp, represented by State Prosecutor'
Defense: representing the defendent (the father of the rape victom)

Prosecutor: Your Honor I would like to call Mr Jimmy(witness) to the witness stand.

Judge (after modified oath (removal of the word God)) Your witness... You may Proceed.

Prosecutor: Mr Jimmy, How would you characterize Texas Daddy (the defendant) ?

Mr Jimmy: I'd say he was a damn good man,, I love rednecks and Texans...Cant get enough of that Texas spirit in me...

Prosecutor: Now remember Jimmy, you are under Oath.

Jimmy: Oh, yeah. Sorry...

Prosecutor: Please tell the court How you would handle the perp, if it had been your daughter.

Defense; Objection! Your honor, his 'opinion' is at best speculative, and it bears no relevance here.

Judge: Counselor, I understand your position, but I am going to overrule this one. The witness shall answer the question....

Mr Jimmy: The big problem is how he killed him - when you beat someone to death there's an intent to kill; He could have beat him severely and left him to rot in prison.

Prosecutor: Thank You Jimmy.... Your Honor, I have no further questions.

Defense: OBJECTION !

Judge: What ?? He's Done with the witness!

Defense.. Your Honor...He's from MICHIGAN!

Judge: ... (Rolls eyes back) Whatever. Defense, You may cross examine the witness ..


Defense: Please Tell The court Mr Jimmy, you have just implied that you agree the perp was justifiably killed, but you have a problem with the manner in which he was killed?

Prosecutor: Objection! Your Honor, the counselor is leading the witness!

Judge: Sustained, Please rephrase your question Defense counselor,

Defense: Sooorrry!... Mr. Jimmy, do you believe the manner and intention in which the perp was killed , was wrong?

Mr Jimmy: Yes, I do. When you beat someone to death, there is an intent to kill.

Defense: Objection! The witness is not qualified to determine the actual 'Intent'. I ask the court to strike his response on grounds of false incrimination.

Judge (Now rolling his eyes up) Sustained... The prosecution is reminded of the 5th amendment . Please Proceed.

Prosecutor: I would submit to the court that the witness, with the help of the prosecution, has has openly demonstrated that there is no basis on which to hold the defendant guilty of manslaughter or murder, since there are no certifiable findings which assert any specific threshold between beatings and death, as cause and effect here, with respect to intention or pre-meditation. Since prosecution cannot prove that the perps death was caused by any breach of threshold (which is not definable) , nor can it prove intent, respectively, i move that the State drops all charges against my client. At this time I would also like to file a motion to counter sue the plaintiff on behalf of my client. ...


6 Months Later:

Judge: The defendant (previously the plaintiff) will now stand: The court awards the suing party the sum of 10, 000 dollars (for all the trouble ) and the defendent is hereby remanded to serve a period of no less than six months of community service In Detroit Michigan... Let this be a lesson to you...The Judicial system is not a toy for your convenience...Think about that the next time you file a frivolous suit.

when you beat someone to death there's an intent to kill

So you support George Zimmerman, right?


That case is so sad. Trayvonn was visiting from Miami and had no way of knowing that young black men had been robbing houses in that gated community...

But once you start a fight, ya never know where it's going to lead so he should not have assaulted Zimmerman. This is a case where no one was in the wrong legally, but it still cost someone their life.

when you beat someone to death there's an intent to kill

So you support George Zimmerman, right?


That case is so sad. Trayvonn was visiting from Miami and had no way of knowing that young black men had been robbing houses in that gated community...

But once you start a fight, ya never know where it's going to lead so he should not have assaulted Zimmerman. This is a case where no one was in the wrong legally, but it still cost someone their life.

I dont disagree with that ..... but who says following someone isnt starting something ?
Both had the right to be there ....
One was a adult ... one was young kid ..... kids make dumb mistakes
These self appointed cops should have to wear some kind of uniform or something ..... or at least know the names of the streets ..... GZ couldnt even tell the dispatcher where he was ....
GZ was in a situation he was not able to deal with in any kind of responsible way ...
We only have his word ..... but he could just as well be a modern day Bernard Goetz
Truly a complicated case with no clear winners .....

I've always liked Texas justice. Who cares how the father killed the dog as long as he killed the dog. He won't be raping any more children in the future will he?

Both had the right to be there ....

never said otherwise?



But assaulting someone today, even verbally, is getting more and more dangerous so he shouldn't have confronted GZ and punched him.

I tell my kids not to hit anyone unless they are about to hit you. GZ was not approaching TM, or following him anymore. Every day more info comes out and this was just an unfortunate collision of fear.

This case is completely different from GZ and TM.
A crime of life and death was being committed. Against a baby.

You can take all your legal knowledge and not really touch on the true heart and basis for OUR LAWS.

If someone is being beaten in a public place, the correct thing to do is call for help. Legal, Safe, and above and beyond the duty of every good citizen.

WRONG. That guy just died because you followed the law. Good for you.
You just violated every basic principle that are laws are founded on. You put your personal safety in front of what is far more important.

Bystanders have ended up in civil actions because they "JUST STOOD BY"

The higher law always says you help your fellow man. I am amazed that the law of man is so used and twisted and distorted. Our founding Fathers are rolling over in their graves as I write this.

This case is completely different from GZ and TM.
A crime of life and death was being committed. Against a baby.

You can take all your legal knowledge and not really touch on the true heart and basis for OUR LAWS.

If someone is being beaten in a public place, the correct thing to do is call for help. Legal, Safe, and above and beyond the duty of every good citizen.

WRONG. That guy just died because you followed the law. Good for you.
You just violated every basic principle that are laws are founded on. You put your personal safety in front of what is far more important.

Bystanders have ended up in civil actions because they "JUST STOOD BY"

The higher law always says you help your fellow man. I am amazed that the law of man is so used and twisted and distorted. Our founding Fathers are rolling over in their graves as I write this.

This is a TRUE HERO! A man that jumped into action and saved a womans life while everyone else stood there waiting for the police. If he hadn't acted the woman would be dead. You really owe it to yourself to watch this video. You had better grab some tissues cause this will make your eye's water and a lump in your throat. Afterward you'll feel good Yes even you Jimmy!

http://blog.chron.com/newswatch/2012/06 ... ton-woman/

This case is completely different from GZ and TM.
A crime of life and death was being committed. Against a baby.

You can take all your legal knowledge and not really touch on the true heart and basis for OUR LAWS.

If someone is being beaten in a public place, the correct thing to do is call for help. Legal, Safe, and above and beyond the duty of every good citizen.

WRONG. That guy just died because you followed the law. Good for you.
You just violated every basic principle that are laws are founded on. You put your personal safety in front of what is far more important.

Bystanders have ended up in civil actions because they "JUST STOOD BY"

The higher law always says you help your fellow man. I am amazed that the law of man is so used and twisted and distorted. Our founding Fathers are rolling over in their graves as I write this.

This is a TRUE HERO! A man that jumped into action and saved a womans life while everyone else stood there waiting for the police. If he hadn't acted the woman would be dead. You really owe it to yourself to watch this video. You had better grab some tissues cause this will make your eye's water and a lump in your throat. Afterward you'll feel good Yes even you Jimmy!

http://blog.chron.com/newswatch/2012/06 ... ton-woman/

Great story! I like how the military had to get it's plug in there - we trained him! lol. I was thinking of moving to Texas actually. Currently looking to relocate and find another Job. I'm tired of my town and I hear they have great music venues where the stars shine bright.

Both had the right to be there ....

never said otherwise?



But assaulting someone today, even verbally, is getting more and more dangerous so he shouldn't have confronted GZ and punched him.

I tell my kids not to hit anyone unless they are about to hit you. GZ was not approaching TM, or following him anymore. Every day more info comes out and this was just an unfortunate collision of fear.

I dont disagree at all
Unfortunately young people make dumb mistakes .... Its reasonable to think the kid threw the 1st punch.
My point being GZ is not the guy to be patrolling the streets .... if he his job was to protect the 'hood then has failed miserably
Obliviously when you are getting beat like GZ you should have the right to defend yourself - my point being a trained intelligent person might not have let it it to the point it did.

The citizens ARE the law ... and "Law Enforcement" as well as the "Justice Department" work for us.

If they had put that man in jail for protecting his daughter it would result in war like conditions.

Kill another of those filthy bastards ... to damn many of em now.

TJ,

I don't mean disrespect but either you're only listening to the Dept of Propoganda (CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS) or you aren't listening at all.

There had been several burglaries in this gated community and GZ was trying to protect life and property of everyone in his neighborhood. Young black men were seen at or near those crimes so it is only logical that young black men walking through might get more scrutiny than, say, a while guy in a suit.

The locals appreciated that GZ was surveilling the neighborhood, even if the liberals in NYC don't.

I recently had to move from my home of 22 years because gangs have moved in and there were 3 murders last year, 2 within 100' of my house. I wish someone like GZ would patrol my block and keep criminals away! But instead I have to move out of the city and spend thousands to protect my family.

The real criminals in this whole event are the race-baiters who are trying to divide Americans with a false narrative and selective reporting of the facts. Now, if GZ isn't wrongly convicted, we will have to deal with riots caused by the media purposely holding back important details and supplying a version of the incident that didn't happen.



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TJ,

I don't mean disrespect but either you're only listening to the Dept of Propoganda (CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS) or you aren't listening at all.

There had been several burglaries in this gated community and GZ was trying to protect life and property of everyone in his neighborhood. Young black men were seen at or near those crimes so it is only logical that young black men walking through might get more scrutiny than, say, a while guy in a suit.

The locals appreciated that GZ was surveilling the neighborhood, even if the liberals in NYC don't.

I recently had to move from my home of 22 years because gangs have moved in and there were 3 murders last year, 2 within 100' of my house. I wish someone like GZ would patrol my block and keep criminals away! But instead I have to move out of the city and spend thousands to protect my family.

The real criminals in this whole event are the race-baiters who are trying to divide Americans with a false narrative and selective reporting of the facts. Now, if GZ isn't wrongly convicted, we will have to deal with riots caused by the media purposely holding back important details and supplying a version of the incident that didn't happen.

Black males between the ages of 14 and 24 have TEN TIMES the risk of being murdered than any other race, but guess what? Black males between 14 and 24 are TEN TIMES likely to be the murderer, too. Until we can admit the truth, we'll never find a solution.

By the way...I just observed Juneteenth. I'd bet 99% of white people here don't even know what that is, but it was the day slaves were freed in America by General Gordon Grainger from Galvestion Texas by a Federal order that he didn't even ask the Fed to approve.

We observed this date on the very property where slavery was established in the colonies in 1617 on the Johnson Plantation in what is now Newport News Virginia.

Here is an interesting fact. Andrew Johnson was an African who paid for his trip to the new world by becoming an indentured servant. After his debt was paid, he applied for a land grant and started a plantation with indentured servants from Africa as he had been. But he petitioned (and won) for the right to make them "chattel property" that he could pass on to his descendants. Yes, the first slave owner and the man who established slavery in America was a black man from Africa.

That is an inconvenient truth that points to the scourge of slavery being one of the inhumanity of man, rather than of race. Even today, human trafficking flourishes in our nation but who cares since they are useful as sex property? (Did anyone see the riots in Oakland a few days ago by the Occupy crowd who were protesting to protect human trafficking? How sick must they be?)

It was christians who worked to end this sad chapter of USA history, because we are commanded to love all people as made in the image of God, yet fewer and fewer christians are going outside of the church building and now the solutions are left up to secular humanists.

Which means we are all in existential danger from dictators without any moral compass.....like those screaming about GZ only for their own political lust.




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I dont know what any of that other stuff has to do with the subject and I havent brought up race ...
Who said GZ is a competent enough citizen to have this kind of responsibility ? Anger and the ability to get a permit ?
That is my point.

This case is completely different from GZ and TM.
A crime of life and death was being committed. Against a baby.

You can take all your legal knowledge and not really touch on the true heart and basis for OUR LAWS.

If someone is being beaten in a public place, the correct thing to do is call for help. Legal, Safe, and above and beyond the duty of every good citizen.

WRONG. That guy just died because you followed the law. Good for you.
You just violated every basic principle that are laws are founded on. You put your personal safety in front of what is far more important.

Bystanders have ended up in civil actions because they "JUST STOOD BY"

The higher law always says you help your fellow man. I am amazed that the law of man is so used and twisted and distorted. Our founding Fathers are rolling over in their graves as I write this.

This is a TRUE HERO! A man that jumped into action and saved a womans life while everyone else stood there waiting for the police. If he hadn't acted the woman would be dead. You really owe it to yourself to watch this video. You had better grab some tissues cause this will make your eye's water and a lump in your throat. Afterward you'll feel good Yes even you Jimmy!

http://blog.chron.com/newswatch/2012/06 ... ton-woman/

Great story! I like how the military had to get it's plug in there - we trained him! lol. I was thinking of moving to Texas actually. Currently looking to relocate and find another Job. I'm tired of my town and I hear they have great music venues where the stars shine bright.

SJ, my brother worked at Ellington field (the place this young man worked) for 25 years.
There are several cities to move to here in Texas that have good music scene's. Austin would be my no.1 consideration if I were relocating. Houston and Dallas are a couple of others! I am partial to Houston as I have lived in or around the city my entire life!

Too damned hot in Texas, but I would consider it...
I need San Francisco climate with Texas culture.

The person who puts a hand on one of my granddaughters better have his harp lessons paid up.

Screw the law. What we have in this country is not law, but chaos. Folks get more time for weed than for rape or murder. Justice? My aunt fanny...

And JimmyD - law is supposed to be based upon what's called 'natural law' but we have gotten so far from that it's pitiful. We based our constitution and original jurisprudence on Blackstone's Law which was based upon natural law. Now we have this farce we call 'law' which is actually anarchy.

Do you realize that this is the first century in human history where a child molestor caught in the act would be considered a 'victim?' That such a person would be unhung within a day or two of being caught in the act?

Even the people in jail hate those creeps. And they never change. A quick bullet saves a lot of money but more importantly, a lot violence and dreadful behavior.

It is the absolute duty of every man to defend the woman folk and the kids.

Remember folks - sometimes police will protect you; if they happen to be there, and if they are not these gutless wonders like the pukes at Columbine. But a) they are not constitutionally required to protect you, and b) they are almost never there.

And the legal system is supposed to work for us. instead it is working against us. I will not worship 'law.' Common sense does it for me.

Talbot