General Chat (Non-Music-Related)

Many thanks to those posting here. Very very good "thought food" and perspectives. Also very telling as to the quality of the posters ... no name calling, insults etc. just well stated and put forth in an intelligent manner.

As PaperDog comments to Etu about "proselytizing" ... :scoffed at " and such ... I have found that virtually anyone who actually lives their life in a spiritual manner and in accordance to that which they believe ... and are not afraid to state or debate their beliefs.... seem to be quite often persecuted, criticized and often hurt or murdered by others who for some inexplicably based reason feel they have the "real answer", "correct belief" and the "Right or Duty" to perpetrate all manner of atrocity ?

Yod ... your Leviticus quotes I have found to be very volatile in "coffee speak" especially with some of the Jewish people I have spoken with. It always seems to lead to an intense reaction and debates (at times physical) between "Zionists" and Traditionalists in the Jewish Religion. These have all led me to believe that "Zionists" are truly in control of the area of land taken from Palestine by the British. The quest for rebuilding the temple and the history of Gog and MaGog.

Etu ...well stated re Gilgamesh ... my English Teacher would be proud of you. The "idea of god" seems to always be in opposition with "the definition of God". Most seem only to agree only on the existence of something that exists beyond physical death and this is somehow always tied in with the idea or concept of god which in turn is almost always used to explain virtually "everything". The one thing that is seldom mentioned in reality and history is that the entire god concept has always has been used by a select few to control a not so select few. Now at this moment there is a huge effort to abolish the god concept and replace it with government ... one world government.

PaperDog ... I think you are constantly demonstrating that you are well on your way in spiritual evolution. Slacker G ... your evaluations always show great wisdom and you pot it quite simply in respect to yourself... well stated I feel. Yourself and PaperDog... evolution wise, humour wise, tolerance wise, critical thought wise ... well your posts are always much appreciated at least by myself ... on any thread. Etu you are in a catagory by yourself but nonetheless much appreciated as well.

The majority of the world are so in number only ... my thoughts.

JCP61 ... I always liked that quote by "Honest Abe". It can be taken in so many ways. It reminds me of Mark Twain in a way.

I really do not think that there is a "prize" at the end of one's physical existence. PaperDog and Etu ... between what you both say is where I find myself quite often. This life to me is a circle as is the next ... another circle. Often "your circle" intersects "another circle". Often "your circle" intersects "another's circle". In the case of myself and my wife our circles have become one circle ... there is nothing more binding in this existence I believe. If I were to define a "prize" I would have to say it is evolution ... not in the Darwinian sense. To complete one's circle and then be able to evolve into the next which is "higher" if you were successful in the previous ...that is the prize I suppose. Of course this can be applied to many spiritual beliefs, each who have their own set of rules in the "Uncle Wiggely" game of life ... death ... rebirth. Ta

Many thanks to those posting here. Very very good "thought food" and perspectives. Also very telling as to the quality of the posters ... no name calling, insults etc. just well stated and put forth in an intelligent manner.

As PaperDog comments to Etu about "proselytizing" ... :scoffed at " and such ... I have found that virtually anyone who actually lives their life in a spiritual manner and in accordance to that which they believe ... and are not afraid to state or debate their beliefs.... seem to be quite often persecuted, criticized and often hurt or murdered by others who for some inexplicably based reason feel they have the "real answer", "correct belief" and the "Right or Duty" to perpetrate all manner of atrocity ?

Yod ... your Leviticus quotes I have found to be very volatile in "coffee speak" especially with some of the Jewish people I have spoken with. It always seems to lead to an intense reaction and debates (at times physical) between "Zionists" and Traditionalists in the Jewish Religion. These have all led me to believe that "Zionists" are truly in control of the area of land taken from Palestine by the British. The quest for rebuilding the temple and the history of Gog and MaGog.

Etu ...well stated re Gilgamesh ... my English Teacher would be proud of you. The "idea of god" seems to always be in opposition with "the definition of God". Most seem only to agree only on the existence of something that exists beyond physical death and this is somehow always tied in with the idea or concept of god which in turn is almost always used to explain virtually "everything". The one thing that is seldom mentioned in reality and history is that the entire god concept has always has been used by a select few to control a not so select few. Now at this moment there is a huge effort to abolish the god concept and replace it with government ... one world government.

PaperDog ... I think you are constantly demonstrating that you are well on your way in spiritual evolution. Slacker G ... your evaluations always show great wisdom and you pot it quite simply in respect to yourself... well stated I feel. Yourself and PaperDog... evolution wise, humour wise, tolerance wise, critical thought wise ... well your posts are always much appreciated at least by myself ... on any thread. Etu you are in a catagory by yourself but nonetheless much appreciated as well.

The majority of the world are so in number only ... my thoughts.

JCP61 ... I always liked that quote by "Honest Abe". It can be taken in so many ways. It reminds me of Mark Twain in a way.

I really do not think that there is a "prize" at the end of one's physical existence. PaperDog and Etu ... between what you both say is where I find myself quite often. This life to me is a circle as is the next ... another circle. Often "your circle" intersects "another circle". Often "your circle" intersects "another's circle". In the case of myself and my wife our circles have become one circle ... there is nothing more binding in this existence I believe. If I were to define a "prize" I would have to say it is evolution ... not in the Darwinian sense. To complete one's circle and then be able to evolve into the next which is "higher" if you were successful in the previous ...that is the prize I suppose. Of course this can be applied to many spiritual beliefs, each who have their own set of rules in the "Uncle Wiggely" game of life ... death ... rebirth. Ta

As always Vampier, much thanks for you r kind words..

Now , of all the posters, you came the closest to nailing the mystery of "The Prize" . I'm grinning here, because i believe you are sitting squarely on top of the answer and you have already expressed that answer in many ways ...Are you ready for my definition of the prize?
Okay then..., here goes...

The prize... IS the journey itself... which in turn, IS Life itself... That journey will last precisely as long as we wish it to last...

Ever lasting Journey= Ever Lasting Life = The grandest of all prizes . What remains is how well we discern the 'insurance' that helps us achieve and sustain ever lasting life... To all posters...What's in your wallet and which policy do 'you' own...?

...well it seems that we might possibly be odd birds of the same feather ... an excellent feeling.

I am not certain if you are aware of it but my wife posted a new song ... the second in the Fallen Angels Show...The Song of Megido. I would be pleased if you , Yod and Etu and anyone else would listen and tell me what you think. It is a CD recording of a Rehearsal so the vocals are a bit in the background. Ta

Oooh new music, don't mind if I do..

Ok, I listened to it..

I'd really rather that your band sounded like this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHkY-yYkw2g

or maybe a Deftones take...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPpDyIJdasg&ob=av2e

The style is good, the process is flawed..

Take what you need, leave the rest..
Incredibly hard to type nooowwwww....I pullled off your wings..
I watched the change in you...just like you never had wings..now you feel so alive...

Here's the rub . . . 4000 BC the idea of a God was invented with the story of Gilgamesh, perpetuated with Egyptian Cosmology, and finally delivered to us in the myth of the Abrahamic faiths.

The sooner we come to this understanding the quicker we can go on with our Spiritual evolution.

Why would anyone ever need to abandoned any convictions whatsoever in order to embrace Spiritual evolution... In my universe, you can throw all the boxes and paradigms you want at me...You can dispute or uphold all the boxes and paradigms I currently possess or discard...But how does any of this stop or prevent me from engaging spiritual evolution? Please show me the "rules" on this assumption .

It may not prevent you or I, but tell me you can look around and not see how it has prevented the majority of the world from engaging?

I agree with you for the most part, by the way.

This is not on point with your post exactly Etu, but are you familiar with "god building"?
By that theory, any religion of sufficient size and length would be real.
How real is just speculation, but there may be room in the mutliverse for someone to spend eternity basking in the glow of his stone turtle.
Then again, if there is a spiritual war of good and evil, one could end up as dog meat.

I just had to pick a point to throw this in here. The thread zoomed down the road a ways while I was gone.

Vamp, I just listened, it kinda gives off a black sabbath vibe to me.

Sounds good, you might try when you record your vocals to double track them, try to sing the same note a octave higher in falsetto to thicken it up in places, just a little trick someone taught me, plus about a 10-20 ms delay to fatten them up more, and when you hold those long notes add a tail of room reverb so it decays out real slow.

Actually its heavier than I would have expected from you.

Good Job man Keep On Rockin!

Not sure what to say about that song. Great musicians, good performance, can't really make out the lyrics but good vocal. You have a style and sound which puts you ahead of 90% of American bands (at least)

Yod ... your Leviticus quotes I have found to be very volatile in "coffee speak" especially with some of the Jewish people I have spoken with. It always seems to lead to an intense reaction and debates (at times physical) between "Zionists" and Traditionalists in the Jewish Religion. These have all led me to believe that "Zionists" are truly in control of the area of land taken from Palestine by the British. The quest for rebuilding the temple and the history of Gog and MaGog.

Yeah, I agree and have run-ins with many sides of that conflict fairly regularly.

Etu ...well stated re Gilgamesh ... my English Teacher would be proud of you. The "idea of god" seems to always be in opposition with "the definition of God". Most seem only to agree only on the existence of something that exists beyond physical death and this is somehow always tied in with the idea or concept of god which in turn is almost always used to explain virtually "everything". The one thing that is seldom mentioned in reality and history is that the entire god concept has always has been used by a select few to control a not so select few. Now at this moment there is a huge effort to abolish the god concept and replace it with government ... one world government.

And one world government is an ancient religion called "witchcraft". Was recently on the National Mall at the same time the Earth Day event was happening. The weather was so bad that it seemed like the Earth was peeing on them.

They were singing to Gaia...praising Mother Earth. All government funded to push Agenda 21 down the throat of an unsuspecting public. They had a huge stage with massive PA system and more security than audience. I took a picture so I could count how many people were willing to watch their show.

It was 17 people, but the media reported it was thousands on the news that night. I was part of a prayer walk that outnumbered them 7 to 1

agenda 21

http://youtu.be/hgFTKuWWYhQ

Not sure what to say about that song. Great musicians, good performance, can't really make out the lyrics but good vocal. You have a style and sound which puts you ahead of 90% of American bands (at least)

Yod ... your Leviticus quotes I have found to be very volatile in "coffee speak" especially with some of the Jewish people I have spoken with. It always seems to lead to an intense reaction and debates (at times physical) between "Zionists" and Traditionalists in the Jewish Religion. These have all led me to believe that "Zionists" are truly in control of the area of land taken from Palestine by the British. The quest for rebuilding the temple and the history of Gog and MaGog.

Yeah, I agree and have run-ins with many sides of that conflict fairly regularly.

Etu ...well stated re Gilgamesh ... my English Teacher would be proud of you. The "idea of god" seems to always be in opposition with "the definition of God". Most seem only to agree only on the existence of something that exists beyond physical death and this is somehow always tied in with the idea or concept of god which in turn is almost always used to explain virtually "everything". The one thing that is seldom mentioned in reality and history is that the entire god concept has always has been used by a select few to control a not so select few. Now at this moment there is a huge effort to abolish the god concept and replace it with government ... one world government.

And one world government is an ancient religion called "witchcraft". Was recently on the National Mall at the same time the Earth Day event was happening. The weather was so bad that it seemed like the Earth was peeing on them.

They were singing to Gaia...praising Mother Earth. All government funded to push Agenda 21 down the throat of an unsuspecting public. They had a huge stage with massive PA system and more security than audience. I took a picture so I could count how many people were willing to watch their show.

It was 17 people, but the media reported it was thousands on the news that night. I was part of a prayer walk that outnumbered them 7 to 1

I don't think Witchcraft has anything to do with world government.

I don't think Witchcraft has anything to do with world government.

if it was, they're definitely not very good at it.
Etu perhaps you could prove them a more up to date manual.

I don't think Witchcraft has anything to do with world government.

sure it does...goes all the way back to Nimrod and the Tower of Babel. And if our government is sponsoring a Gaia worship festival, then our government is promoting the oldest religion of all....witchcraft.




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I don't think Witchcraft has anything to do with world government.

sure it does...goes all the way back to Nimrod and the Tower of Babel. And if our government is sponsoring a Gaia worship festival, then our government is promoting the oldest religion of all....witchcraft.




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It goes further back than that, but I still don't get the connection with a one world government/Illuminati thing and Witchcraft?

...excellent discussions.

gtZip ... hope you had a good trip ? "how real is just speculation" ...very good statement and thought provoking. "basking in the glow of his stone turtle" ... even more so as well as quite humourous.


jw123 ... Thanks for the listen and good suggestions. Long ago when I was in cover bands ... did alot of Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Uriah Heep and such.

Yod ...always good to hear from you. Thanks. There is a general feeling among many that the "Puppet Masters" ho have all the money they could possibly want and are immune to prosecution ... do every sordid, illegal, immoral, depraved and disgusting thing they wish to ... yet still they want more power ??? ell many believe that the only answer to explain their "lost" is that they are confirmed Lucifereans who worship the "Prince of Light". Venus has a large role in this as well. This would explain their hatred for mankind, their pedophilia and insatiable lust for power. It is all quite possible.

Some believe that aliens have been involved from the "beginning". There are abundant beliefs and theories here. I am certain that you are aware of most.

Perhaps it is a combination ? itchcraft to me is not strictly Luciferean. None of this is clear cut however. Movies are used as very effective vehicles for the agenda of the Puppet Masters... whatever it may be. I personally believe that Gog and MaGog have much to do with the entire thing.

Yod I admire you for your actions, thoughts and courage. I generally agree with most of what you say and it would be utterly counter productive to disagree with the small points. As a Pagan I have distinct beliefs but do respect those of others ... especially those I respect.

AGENDA 21 ... everyone needs to check it out for themselves. I personally feel it is all part of a greater more hideous "AGENDA". The water in the pot has commenced boiling and we are mere moments away from the point where "jumping" out is no longer an achievable option. So everyone should think about where they are and what choices must be made.

JCP61 ...Vey interesting and to be honest I am not certain quite how to take it ? Seriously ... I am not trying to be "clever".

Etu ... thanks for your posts. hat are your thoughts on Bohemian Grove ? hat Yod states is credible I feel. Paganism is often mistaken for
"witchcraft" and that creates a bit of controversy as well. But I do absolutely believe there is a huge connection and that it is undeniable. Ta

Etu ... what are your thoughts on Bohemian Grove?

Great, now My cover is blown! Muwhahahahaha (Dr. Sax)

...Etu, do not feel bad. I am one of the Children of the Corn. Ta