General Music Chat

Really?! Oh joy! So tiny Tim, new kids on the block, the spice girls, Tiffany, linkin park, and slipknot are cool by you?! Super!

That's not even remotely close to what I said... Sigh. It's like you're picking a fight for no good reason. I don't see the sense in it, really.

I'll agree - you can't have "good" without "bad".

But the problem here is that "good" and "bad" are subjective. We're talking about an opinion. And there's no right or wrong when we're discussing opinions on "art".

You might not like New Kids on the Block. I might not like New Kids on the Block. But legions of teens did. No one is "right" about their opinion. It's just an opinion.

When you say someone "sucks" I am going to look for evidence of that. If we're talking about a musician, then I expect "suck" to mean they cannot play their instrument or they cannot sing (William Hung, for example).

Nickleback, while being a band you might not like, clearly can play their instruments and sing. There's nothing wrong with their talent. So by definition (to me) they cannot "suck".

I guess my deal is that I prefer to be explicit with the English language. If you're going to complain about Nickelback, be specific. If you feel like their songs are too similar and repetitive, I can respect that opinion. If you feel like they're lyrics are immature I can respect that opinion.

But if you're just going to say "they suck" - I can't respect that. It's simply not true. They can play and play well.

And as far as negative energy goes - listen - maybe you're not there yet in your life, but I have reached a point where negative energy just isn't something I want to cultivate into my life. There's a lot of music I don't care for. But spouting off what I dislike on message boards is only creating *nagative* energy. There's absolutely NOTHING POSITIVE from saying "Nickelback Sucks". Nothing.

Our world already has enough negative energy going on. I prefer to spend my time talking about what's positive. I'd rather talk about a new artist I love instead of talking about an artist I dislike.

Really?! Oh joy! So tiny Tim, new kids on the block, the spice girls, Tiffany, linkin park, and slipknot are cool by you?! Super!

That's not even remotely close to what I said... Sigh. It's like you're picking a fight for no good reason. I don't see the sense in it, really.

This is too easy. You said suck has no place in music. Some music sucks! A lot of it in fact. Calling it like that does not make me negative.

When you say someone "sucks" I am going to look for evidence of that. If we're talking about a musician, then I expect "suck" to mean they cannot play their instrument or they cannot sing (William Hung, for example). ....

But if you're just going to say "they suck" - I can't respect that. It's simply not true. They can play and play well.

He has the most annoying, trite, cartoonish, joke of a voice ever.

So clearly I broke it down.

And as far as negative energy goes - listen - maybe you're not there yet in your life, but I have reached a point where negative energy just isn't something I want to cultivate into my life.

You are way way off here. You might like to think "you've arrived" and I haven't but as I already said above....

I wager that I am one of the most constantly positive people here. From tastebuds, to snow, to laughter, to dogs, to music, to prayer, to family and on and on I celebrate and give thanks for so much daily. from the the smallest to the biggest. Yet I still can recognize bad things.

Calling bad music bad doesn't even resemble being negative. It's critiquing. That's what artists do. It's how they get better. I know through hearing a joke of a singer what I would never do as a singer.

There's a lot of music I don't care for. But spouting off what I dislike on message boards is only creating *nagative* energy. There's absolutely NOTHING POSITIVE from saying "Nickelback Sucks". Nothing.

It is NOT creating negative energy. It is critiquing and learning from others mistakes what not to do. THAT is what can be positive about saying nickleback sucks.

I'm confused ...

Count me in the nickle Back sucks crowd.


I kinda liked them at first ... good driving beats and all.

The more I heard the less I cared.
Found myself turning off the radio at the first recognizable sound.

There ( for me ) is nothing remotely pleasing or beneficial in their lyrics.


They suck ... that's my story ... and I'm sticking with it.


But hell, we are all different so if it's your thing ENJOY.


P.S. New Kids, they suck too

If the point is: Do the Detroit Lions fan's have a right to make suggestions to the Ownership concerning the halftime entertainment I would have to say hell yes. It costs a small fortune to attend an NFL game.

However if the point is: does Nickleback suck I would have to say hell yes. The thing that really sucks about Fickleback is the reality of how they "made it". They are backed by money that buys them publicity. Sure most bands buy publicity combined with being enjoyable to listen to. With Nickleback, the ratio is way off-big money thrown at them but not enjoyable (to a lot of people).

Well despite thousands of signatures from concerned fans which the NFL promptly disregarded, Knickleback will perform the half-time show at Ford Field on Thanksgiving Day. Let's just say we all know where the biggest turkeys will be that day.

Well despite thousands of signatures from concerned fans which the NFL promptly disregarded, Knickleback will perform the half-time show at Ford Field on Thanksgiving Day. Let's just say we all know where the biggest turkeys will be that day.

Sounds to me like that negative energy came back on those hostile Detroit sports fans...

Either that or the contracts have already been signed.

Do I have any Nickleback music - no
Would I pay to see any of their concerts - no
Would I sit in and drum for them as a back up drummer - Yes
Do I like how they use a 6ms chopper on his voice - Yes
Do they have over a million real fans - Yes
Do they suck - I don't know, are they gay?

A little different perspective on music "sucking".

When I was in my teens I had many people tell me that I sucked as a guitarist, but they didnt realize how competitive a person I am, so I kept at it. A couple of years ago, we played this class reunion and some of the folks who used to say I sucked were in attendence and they were raving about how good I was. Funny thing being a class reunion, we were playing a lot of the same songs that they said I sucked at years ago.

I just smiled and said "Thanks"

Kinda ironic how things like that work, but in my case someone saying I sucked at something was always a reason to improve, get better and win them over.

As far as Nickleback. The negative PR will only help them, probably help them sell more product. What did PT BARNUM say "Theres no such thing as bad publicity", or something to that effect. PR is PR and in the end it will be Nicklback smilin all the way to the bank.

They just better hope those violent Detroit fans don't rise up on them at 1/2 time.

(That'd be interesting to see on video)

LOL, a riot would be the best PR Nickleback ever got in thier lives, isnt that what rock music is all about anyway, getting some sort of emotion out of folks?

As far as Nickleback. The negative PR will only help them, probably help them sell more product. What did PT BARNUM say "Theres no such thing as bad publicity", or something to that effect. PR is PR and in the end it will be Nicklback smilin all the way to the bank.

Fact.

Detroit has Motown and THATS IT!

Oh... I am Sorry.... I forgot that they borrowed John Lee Hooker... (Born in Clarksdale, Mississippi ) for a while...to cover their Blues Genre claim to fame...

Not saying there weren't other innovative acts form Detroit, but Motown was unequivocally (R& B specifically ) profound, world class model.
Lets just cut to the chase here... We could go on and on about Bill Haley and his one hit, Madonna and her material world..and Eminem and his misogynistic angry-white-boy complex...and a plethora of punk, techno pop and other angles of music..
But if you look at the Hall of famers...(From the Detroit scene) a vast majority of them come out of that Motown R & B side

So Yeah, All Detroit really has is Motown...

All the rest is flash pan , experiments and fizzled out attempts to take it to the next level... I'm not saying that in a disrespectful way or that they they aren't playing the game well, but lets not get carried away... "Rich history"... is bullshit ... No city has a monopoly on musical richness... Even Liverpool isn't that f**king arrogant.

And I am only bringing this up because its that kind of arrogance (Detroit claiming musical richness) to justify slamming a band that they Dont agree with.

F*ck Detroit if that's how they behave....

14 years and 80 million records sold worldwide is a flash in the pan? (Eminem)

Nickleback is boring because they embraced a 'hit song via paint by numbers' way of doing things.
To me, they are corporate monekys.
But they technically don't 'suck'.

14 years and 80 million records sold worldwide is a flash in the pan? (Eminem)

Nickleback is boring because they embraced a 'hit song via paint by numbers' way of doing things.
To me, they are corporate monekys.
But they technically don't 'suck'.

I thought this thread had fizzled out...

Oh, of course Eminem didn't sell out via corp monkeyism...Naw, not him... If I recall...didn't he drag his mother into the fold...slamming her name...all they way to the bank? LOL But naw...he didnt "sell" out to corporate.

Now, don't get me wrong, He put out some truly hot songs out there... I can count at least 8 solid hits (that actually resonated with me... And I'm just a folk geek.)

However, 80 million records later... I still don't see any displaced mountains..in terms of voice of a generation... What can I say.. He was a great Dog & Pony show for a while (he's already old..."Its over...go home...") .. and yeah... Detroit and the 8 milers can be proud of him. But His Hip Hops and beats, his style...all has its roots somewhere in Motown sound... Anyway you slice it... Motown is there...

The thread had fizzled out, but I'm slowwww.

I view corporate monkeyism as taking no risks; painting by numbers, both artistically and technically.
It isn't really fair to erxpect a Folksy guy to fully grasp hip hop, or punk rock culture.

Detroit has a fairly rich musical heritage in general.

I expect that this thread is now officially fizzled, as I seem to be the resident thread killer...

King me!