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There you go again! Making my point for me .I would never say the oil barons are responsible. What I was saying is that they're irresponsible. Is that clear? Maybe the enormous taxes we pay for diesel fuel doesn't go to infrastructure (police, teachers, firefighters). Is that your point. Hmmm. The America I grew up in, I can remember the price of gas to be 8 cents a gallon. Diesel has less processing done to it.Therefore it should be cheaper. It's not, why, taxes, targeted at a specific industry. Diesel is the sludge of the crude oil we buy by the barrel. Why is it more per gallon? I got it wrong? I'm not even debating a sin tax, like a pack of cigarettes should cost about 85 cents. No, they're about $5.30 for Marlboro's (I don't smoke those). The difference in what we pay proportionately Responsible share, depends on how much money you have to lobby with. What is wrong with a universally proportionate tax, everyone pays their fair share. Because they're so stinking rich, we're afraid to offend them.

http://www.google.com/search?q=tax+breaks+create+jobs

Having spent most of my life in the oil industry I must say a few things here.

Profit from petroleum is due in large part to volume.
No other industry I believe could survive off the per unit profit margins involved.

They fed my father and his family as well as me and my family for many many years.
Still the largest part of my extended family and most of my friends and neighbors existence and subsistence is provided by petroleum production.

The community I live and play in, the home I live in, even the " Natures Reclamation " series of photos my wife sold in her store this very day owe their existence to the oil industry.

Banging on the oil industry fall on deaf ears in my part of the world.

Don't like the oil industry ... walk to work if you can find a place to work where they are not directly or indirectly involved.

Ever had to pay for a single tank of diesel in a commercial truck? Many trucker were forced to fold due to the disproportionate taxes aimed at a single commodity. I have been employed by the poor suckers having to pay those taxes. All things being equal, toilet paper should cost 10 dollars a roll so that it can pay for solid waste facilities. We'll call it the Sh*t Tax!

Oil is something we need, no doubt. Volume in any industry is key and business 101. Paying at the tank is taking from the poor. Oil is moved from the ground by pumps, shipped on diesel powered barges, then shipped by trucks. Don't like trucks, swim out to the platform, bucket in hand.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Tax-V ... believe-it

Tax breaks don't create jobs. It's a patently stupid idea, really.

Customers create demand which creates jobs.

I firmly believe the tax code needs to be much more just. Giving out tax breaks has not created jobs and will not create jobs. Until there are jobs, our economy will continue to suffer.

This isn't corporations being evil. This is corporations doing the intelligent thing with the laws as they are. The laws as they are cannot help but place an unreasonable burden on middle class households. Note that I did not say "poor" households. I'm more concerned about people who are responsible, productive people who are still unable to support their families.

Though I will be one of the first to bemoan unjust business practices.
I must admit.
I've never been employed by the poor.

Actually... you might have... When you pay taxes, which in turn go to support a welfare recipient, who is "legally" collecting for 10 kids...Has a sister who qualifies for subsidy in her own business as a Woman Owned Small business...who gets a capitol outlay loan of at least 250k to start her business right...but you were declined a 250K house loan, because your 25 % tax bracket ain't enough to support it... But the 'poor' lady gets to write off substantial taxes because she claimed herself to be a minority... But you , work 60+ hours a week and you can't get that loan... who are ya really working for?

Finally, someone gets me! thanks aiki!

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Tax-VOX/2011/0625/Two-tax-breaks-that-will-create-jobs-Don-t-believe-it

Tax breaks don't create jobs. It's a patently stupid idea, really.

Customers create demand which creates jobs.

I firmly believe the tax code needs to be much more just. Giving out tax breaks has not created jobs and will not create jobs. Until there are jobs, our economy will continue to suffer.

This isn't corporations being evil. This is corporations doing the intelligent thing with the laws as they are. The laws as they are cannot help but place an unreasonable burden on middle class households. Note that I did not say "poor" households. I'm more concerned about people who are responsible, productive people who are still unable to support their families.

Nope, tax- breaks will not create jobs... HOWEVER... The assumption behind the breaks is to leave more disposable income in the pockets of Americans, who will then go out and buy more goods & services, (hence create the demand) , which in turn will spark and invoke more production, which in turn will call on more workers being hired to meet the production. That's one way to create jobs, except the problem with that way, assumes that Income is "elastic enough" to endure the peaks and valleys (of a SUPPLY SIDE Economics) It also assumes that we have endless access to resources outside of America . Today's use of "Tax breaks" in America is a bull-shit distraction. We need to close-loop our economy for a while...get out of global markets imports,, invent some awesome sh*t and sell it . EXPORT at premium prices/trades..


Glen, Crunch , I invite you to examine an old 70's model called the Laffer Curve. It illustrates precisely why taxing the wealthy is the most ridiculous economic mistake a nation can make> Read carefully... tho The concept is actually simple... On a scale of 0 to 100 percent of income brackets (i.e> the wealth are the top 5 % meaning 95 to 100,) you cant earn material revenue off of 95-100% percentile group any more than you can the 0 to 5% percentile group... Yet both groups are taking a beating...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve

I get what your saying. I'm not saying we should only tax the rich. That's stupid. If you buy a pack of gum at the carry out for a dollar (I payed $1.20 yesterday), a percentage of that dollar depending on your county, is somewhere about 6%. Let's say, well, gum is not really good on our highways, and evidence shows people have been chucking used gum right on the pavement! Let's boost that tax on gum to make that product cost 3 dollars a pack, Economy Problems Solved!

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I get what your saying. I'm not saying we should only tax the rich. That's stupid. If you buy a pack of gum at the carry out for a dollar (I payed $1.20 yesterday), a percentage of that dollar depending on your county, is somewhere about 6%. Let's say, well, gum is not really good on our highways, and evidence shows people have been chucking used gum right on the pavement! Let's boost that tax on gum to make that product cost 3 dollars a pack, Economy Problems Solved!

Thats why I've been picking on you Crunch. You say one thing and understand half of the problem and then you launch right in to increasing taxes. As far as taxing gum... Some of the roads here are only held together by gum. (laugh)
Lets not raise taxes. Let's stop paying for $600 hammers and $400 dollar toilet seats, and welfare recipients that don't want to be drug tested.

The one thing you keep bringing up, is raising taxes. Put it this way, you tax the rich one more dollar and you are going to break the backs of the poor. It just gets passed on down the line. You don't get that, do you?

I hope you do, you are a pretty smart guy.

Between my wife and I we pay out several thousands of dollars an month in taxation.
( more than enough to pay our house note and both our car payments each pay period)

There are millions of families just like ours.

Think how many jobs would be created IF that money was being circulated in the economy instead of being sent overseas or wasted by our bloated government.

I know for sure Gibson would get to sell at least one more Les Paul.

And I'd get my Jackson with the maple neck!

Maybe sleep a bit better knowing my money was being pissed away on wicked and perverted causes by people so dreadful I wouldn't let them in my yard.

Talbot

I see this red diaper baby acting out his Marxist fantasies. One reason we are in this pickle is that Marxists use the same words decent people do but they mean something different.

I'm glad that person was elected. I believe that as a republic we are probably finished - all over but the dying. But having that thing in DC has been good - all the cards are on the table. That gives people who love freedom at least a chance.

I heard somebody say yesterday 'that bunch should be arrested and tried for treason." Sure...by whom? "that bunch" owns all those paramilitary militias like ATF, SWAT,Acorn, Unions etc... We're in big trouble.

It's 1860 again and God help us all. Shermans bandits will look like angels compared this current crop of scoundrels.

Talbot

Sherman was wonderful, he gave those traitors, the Confederacy, just what they deserved. Lincoln should have deported the surviving Confederates and shipped them all to Australia and recruited more Colonist from your ancestral European homeland
..... we wouldn't have half the problems we have today.