Irminsul wrote:Wegman wrote:Irminsul wrote:Wegman wrote:Irminsul,
I disgree with every point you have made and consider them conjecture and personal opinion.
The only one I will even debate with you further is this comment:
As far as Christianity and war....you are purposely miscontruing that passage from Matthew as an excuse or approval of war. It is in fact saying that war is an unfortunate human priclivity...but then again so is "sin" if one is a Christian. And they don't usually try to excuse the continued perpetuation of that act, do they?
How dare you say that? The passage says what it says, not your interpretation of what it says. I don't want war. I want peace. I don't use that passage to justify anything. But the Lord said there will be wars and the rumors of wars. So IF you believe in HIS word War is inevitable whether you want it or not and there is nothing you or anyone can say or do to prevent it.
Clarification - I am not Christian. But having studied various Christian texts, in context with the real history surrounding them, I can tell you that if you rely on the KJV (King James Version) of the Bible as the "word of the Lord" I believe you to be sadly mistaken. The KJV is a 15th century RE-interpretation of the already interpreted-to-death Pentateuch of the Old Testament and some highly dubious translations of the New Testament. So, don't wrangle with me on that note. You'll lose.
American Christianity tends to use the KJV to spin current political beliefs largely centered on conservative to very rightwing American politics. This is an abhorrent thing to do to the text of honest, good hearted Christians and an intellectually dishonest trick of the rightwing fundamentalists in this nation.
Know what the difference is, at heart, between AlQaeda and Army of God?
Not a blessed thing.
Your not a Christian? What was my first clue.
Don't wrangle with me, you'll lose? That is a rather arrogant statement to make.
So you have studied Christian texts huh? Which ones? There is only one, the bible. Which you don't mention studying. Try it. You may be "enlightend".
I would also like to know "the real" history you speak of or do you mean "your history" so it fits "your agenda" kinda like KJV has been twisted to serve "a right wing agenda".
Please stop, you are as transparent as glass. Which was my MO all along. Thanks for walking into it.
Lastly, it is customary to say thank you when some one pays you a compliment, like when I said your music is really good. I wasn't expecting it for the aforementioned reasons.
You may respond however you like. I give you the last word. This will be the last time I address you.
If you seriously believe that the KJV Bible is the first last and only text of religious importance to Christians....disregarding the Gospels of Thomas, Judas, Mary, the Nag Hammadi writings, the original early Greek texts from which the original New Testament is pulled, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the several letters of Paul etc etc etc....then you are truly more ignorant of your own faith than I had previously thought.
So who actually walked into the glass? How are them shards tasting?
Isn't it just wrong that I....a non Christian.....would know this stuff that you SHOULD?
Those are Gnostic texts not Christian my friend.
http://www.gnosis.org/
Nice try.
I had given you the last word as I will again but I can't let something that deceptive go.
I sincerely apologize to everyone else on the board with this discussion. But if some one is going to attack me, and my faith with blatant lies, I can not allow that to go unchallenged.