fisherman bob wrote:WHat about the United Nations' resolution after resolution after resolution for Saddam to allow inspectors into Iraq to comply with Iraq's agreement after the Gulf War? How about the war between Iraq and Iran in the eighties that killed perhaps a million people, which Saddam started? How about Iran's leader threatening Israel with destruction? How about Kuwait begging for the world to intervene when Saddam invaded it? How about the hundreds of thousands of innocent Shiites Saddam buried in mass graves, or the thousands of Kurds he killed wth gas? Did we have a rght to invade Iraq? You bet we did. Do I feel better that our troops are over there now? You bet I do. Did you know that a very high percentage of those troops in Iraq are volunteering to go back after they are discharged? Why? Because they feel their mission is worth the sacrifice. The forces that are killing Iraqis are mainly insurgents, particularly Al-Qaeda, who are trying to create as much destruction as possible to make us look bad, and perhaps are achieving their goals. I'm not sure the Iraqis themselves really understand or appreciate democracy. They've lived under tyrannical rule for so many centuries that perhaps they never will be able to support a thriving democracy. My hope is that when we finally leave there that the Iraqis will somehow become a nation of law and not a nation that's ruled by dictatorship, but time will tell. As far as it being an illegal war, I don't believe that for a minute. If nothing else the actions of the terrorists must have an immediate and indelible response by us. We were attacked on 911 and many times before that. There's only so much we can take before action is needed. Unfortuneately that's what war is. It's people attacking other people. If we just sit like cowards and let them continually attack without a measured response, then they will attack us more and more. What's needed is somehow for all sides to get to the negotiating table and hammer out some sort of truce or lasting peace. The other side (terrorists) have offered nothing but death, and we have to respond in kind. You might think I'm very right wing on politics, actually I'm very liberal on some issues, coservative on others, This is one issue I'm in total agreement with Bush. This is pretty much how the Israelis deal with terrorists, and they are the experts at it. Anyway, LET"S GET BACK TO MUSIC ISSUES, THIS IS A MUSIC WEBSITE ISN"T IT? Later...
wow...so much bullshit in that last post, it's hard to know where to start. I guess I'll do point by point, like I did with V&B -
1. Although Saddam did occassionally give the inspectors grief when he felt they were acting outside their bounds, he cooperated with UN inspectors. Head inspector Hans Blix even stated this several times. Fact is that Iraq gave unfettered access to inspectors right up to the US starting an attack.
It was the US WHO pulled the crap of giving the inspectors wild goose chases regarding WMD.
It was the US who withdrew inspectors while Iraq had granted full access. After the war started, Hans Blix had nothing but angry criticism for the baloney that the Bush admin pulled regarding the search for WMD. Which I remind you, was never found.
2. The Iran-Iraq war came to the great pleasure of the Reagan administration, who loved the idea of laying siege to Shiite Iran. In case you forgot, Saddam was OUR BOY for quite awhile. Seems we love a dictator when serving our ends, eh Bob? So lets not wring our hands for the war dead in that period since it was largely at OUR behest. Its dishonest.
3. Before you scream about Iran's Ahmadinejad throwing threats (which were largely overblown or mistranslated according to later reports) at Israel, I remind you that Iran has never attacked Israel. It is in fact Israel which has attacked more of its neighbors than any other nation in the region. Rhetoric isjust rhetoric...but bombs are real.
4. US Ambassador Glaspie actually gave Saddam a green light to invade Kuwait. It was only afterwards, when the US saw the threat to oil exports to that country, that the rally call for "liberation" began. Plus, the AlSabah family (royal rulers of Kuwait) had too much to lose if real democracy happened there. So the US charged in for...well....oil. Not freedom.
5. The gassing of Halbjah is now disputed as to who actually did the act - Iran or Iraq. It was the site of a horrific battle and almost all experts agree that it was an act of war, not genocide. The so called "hundreds of thousands" buried in mass graves....lets be honest. There is one site with about 300,000 buried in it - HOWEVER what the FOXnewsstation doesnt tell you is that it included a huge number of SOLDIERS killed in the war. Not some drive by from Saddam against his people. The truth is so inconvenient isnt it Bob!
There is so much more to add to this but I can wrap it up with the following:
* We were NOT justified in invading and occupying Iraq. It was a scheme based on lies and cooked intel, by the PNAC idiots in the Bush administration who have designs on dominating the planet.
* EVery day we remain there is a day when MORE Iraqis, MORE Americans will die and we are in fact LESS safe because this is a wet dream for the Islamic Fundamentalists who can point to our outrageous venture and say to the world "See....we were right about America."
* This war is most certainly NOT about your freedoms here at home. In no way, shape or form! Saddam never threatened me or mine. No Iraqi ever did. And moreover...
Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. Stop making your arguments as if he did.
The majority of Americans now are with me...that this is a stupid, immoral war and we need to stop it and bring US troops home now. Not one more dead US soldier.
NOT ONE.