General Music Chat

Yeah whatever Craig.

No offense Chippy...

Our fine Supreme Court just ruled that there should be no limit to how much a corporation can donate to any candidate's campaign. They have said that a corporation has the same rights as any American citizen.

How's that for equality, folks?

So, you wanna run things? Start up your co, get rich as you can, & start buying your elected officials NOW, before it's too late, if you really want to change anything! Cuz otherwise it'll be bought by some other company...

Glen? Where do YOU stand on this one?

So much for campaign finance reform, eh?

start buying your elected officials NOW, before it's too late, if you really want to change anything!

Yeah, cause we can only "hope" that our politicians do what we want. It is IMPOSSIBLE for us to band together, and FORCE them to do what we want, by voting them OUT OF OFFICE when they don't, right?

Well, no... that would require WORK and EFFORT on our part wouldn't it?

When we CHOOSE to be lazy, and just b*tch rather than ACT, well... Some people would say, WE DESERVE WHAT WE TOLERATE!

Really, this is almost pissing me off!

Some of you guys ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE, speak as if we were slaves!

"The massa say he gonna give us only one biscuit now, steada two!"

If there is a conspiracy to brainwash the populous, it is definitely working on some of us!


And btw... YES, that does apply to the Supreme Court as well, whose judges are APPOINTED by Presidents, who are... ELECTED.

Although they are not elected EXCLUSIVELY through popular vote, and only in PART, by popular vote, since only a few states have laws REQUIRING the Electors to vote according to the popular vote in their states.

Honestly Craig, it's you i cannot tell on which side of the fence you are sitting... one minute i'm like noooo, then i totally agree with you, shiiiit daaaawg!

If all the de-regulation from the reagan era thru today didn't happen, NONE OF THIS would be either.



Our ELECTED leaders FU*KED us. over and over. We didn't even ask for lube.

Now the USSC, congress, FDA, FBI, CIA, NSA, etc.. are all corporate owned. The only end is the eventual and inevitable bastille day. It probably won't be in my lifetime though. People need a lot more anal sex before they are willing to actually do something.

Honestly Craig, it's you i cannot tell on which side of the fence you are sitting... one minute i'm like noooo, then i totally agree with you, shiiiit daaaawg!

Everyone here will tell you... That's par for the course, for me, bro!


I don't easily fit into ANYONE'S mold. I just take each issue on it's own merits, get as much information as I can, and make my best judgement call.


That has lead me to be a devoted follower of Jesus Christ, who also recognizes that parts of the Bible are mythology, and who supports Gay marriage, because it violates their civil rights NOT to extend those same rights to them.

I'm also a life-long Republican, primarily because I believe in lower taxes, smaller government and a strong military, and yet I also support a woman's right to choose, and reject government involvement in religious endeavors... i.e. Our money should NOT say: "In God we trust" on it and courthouses should NOT prominently display the 10 Commandments.

Most Americans seem to forget that many of our forebears came here FLEEING the very thing over-zealous religionists are trying to re-institute... namely THEOCRATIC GOVERNMENT! Many of our forefathers came here to GET AWAY from a THEOCRACY, only to have the Pat Robertsons of the world, preach for it's return.

God help us!

Apparently I am not a good Republican, nor a good Christian!

But I believe in my heart, I am getting most things right.

The simple answer is: He's neither a Democrat nor a Republican.

And in the US, it really is a two-party system. If a Libertarian president were elected, the Democrats and Republicans in congress and the senate wouldn't know what to do. They're too accustomed to voting party lines. If a Libertarian is the president and says, "Hey, I think this is a good idea, we should pass a law", the Republicans and Democrats would actually have to THINK about the idea and its merits. And that's just too hard. They don't like to think - they prefer to just pick a side on an issue and blather on about it ad naseum.

Thinking isn't exactly a required ability in the US government...

Nah, they wouldn't need to think about it at all, CF, they'd just stick to thier hard-line party stances & block everything he tried to do. A Ron Paul president would be absolutely useless in our current political system.

Nah, they wouldn't need to think about it at all, CF, they'd just stick to thier hard-line party stances & block everything he tried to do. A Ron Paul president would be absolutely useless in our current political system.

You're right Phil. Assuming the guy could get elected, he would have the entire congress and senate working against him...

If a Libertarian president were elected, the Democrats and Republicans in congress and the senate wouldn't know what to do. They're too accustomed to voting party lines.

Actually that's only part true.

The democrats and republicans in congress wouldn't change a thing, they'd go ask their corporate sponsors what issues to vote for or against, allow the lobbyists to write their own bills, etc... just like they do today. THe two-party system is part of the lie, yes, but even it is a lie within a lie, as there really only is one party anymore, the money party. Membership isn't optional, it's exclusionary.

Too true Kramer. "The Money Party"... lol. Too accurate.

"That has lead me to be a devoted follower of Jesus Christ, who also recognizes that parts of the Bible are mythology, and who supports Gay marriage, because it violates their civil rights NOT to extend those same rights to them. "

Have you EVER read a Bible?

Christ recognizes that parts of the Bible are mythology?

At the time of Christ, the New Testament wasn't even written. And of the Old Testament, He said, I came not to change one dot or tittle of the law, but rather to fulfill it.

Christ supports Gay marriage?

Now isn't the main argument against Christianity by the homo movement the fact that the Bible teaches homosexuality is an abomination?

Where do you find these "new spiritual enlightenments" from Christ?

I do need some new Bibles. Mine are antiquated. They all say just the opposite of what you said.

I sure don't want to turn this thread into a religious discussion, but what you said simply couldn't be further from the truth.

Jesus is a myth...

*poof* jesus just gave me the foresight to not care about this thread anymore and go home for the night

later!

Have you EVER read a Bible?

Wow. Here we go again.

You are REAAAAALLLY late to this party bro!

I have a very good knowledge of the Bible.

Christ recognizes that parts of the Bible are mythology?

Have you heard Christ acknowledge the existence of unicorns or dragons? Do any of Christ's words, suggest that God needed a visual aid, the rainbow, so He could "remember" not to kill all of humanity again?

Does God have trouble remember things?

Just answer that one.

At the time of Christ, the New Testament wasn't even written. And of the Old Testament, He said, I came not to change one dot or tittle of the law, but rather to fulfill it.

What's your point? That the "law" translates into the ENTIRETY of the Old Testament somehow? The Old Testament contains, the Law, the Prophets and the Writings... three distinct subdivisions, well attested to by Rabbinic Literature. Don't extrapolate the "Law" out to mean everything else as well.

Christ supports Gay marriage?

God gave man free will. In that sense, He "supports" our right to use it as we choose. If you are speaking of the MORAL aspect of homosexuality, that is a different topic.

Speaking purely as an American and a believer in DEMOCRACY, it is ABSOLUTELY a VIOLATION of a homosexual's CIVIL RIGHTS, to deny them the right to marry "if" that right is extended to heterosexual couples. You cannot win this argument. Period.

The mistake is in allowing government to be involved AT ALL in an instituion called "Marriage" which should be in the realm of RELIGION alone. The government has every right to validate "Civil Unions" for the purposes of taxes, and property rights, etc... And leave "MARRIAGE" to the churches. If a church then CHOOSES to perform a "marriage" it is PURELY A RELIGIOUS EXERCISE, and all the fundamental churches can then declare that those churches are "heretical" if they so choose.

But either give everyone "Civil Unions" or give everyone "Marriages". It is a MAJOR CONTRADICTION in law, to declare that homosexuals CANNOT be discriminated against in the workplace, only to then discriminate against them in other areas, like marriage and the ta benefits, etc.. that go along with that assignment.

Where do you find these "new spiritual enlightenments" from Christ?

There's nothing new about the gift of free will.

Christ BROKE the law, in many instances. The law is made for man, not man for the law. You cannot legislate a relationship with God, and only a relationship with God, allows people the desire, conviction and strength, to live a moral life.

Things like putting "In God We Trust" on MONEY? That is superstition, nothing more. The "god" on our money, resembles a generic Masonic version of "god", not the one you are reading about in the Bible. The majority of our forefathers were not Christian. They had a generic belief in an Almighty Creator "God", that was more univeral, and not resigned to the Christian faith alone. It is a FALLACY taught in churches by often uneducated ministers, that our forefathers were building a "Christian" nation. It is a REINVENTION of history.

I do need some new Bibles. Mine are antiquated. They all say just the opposite of what you said.

The Bible says alot of things. That parents should stone their children to death for backtalking and insulent behavior, that God "forgets" his promises without visual aids, that the Cosmos was created in 7 literal days, as opposed to BILLIONS of years old, that there are such things as dragons and unicorns, that God could create Adam out of dust, but he had to perform a surgical operation to remove a rib from Adam, to bring about womanhood, that the principles of light refraction causing ranbows did not exist prior to Noah, that the entire Earth was covered in water, and on and on.


The question is... are you placing your faith in God (Jesus Christ) or in written text, inspired by God, but filtered through the minds and hearts of fallen men, who wrote some of what they wrote, because they lacked modern scientific knowledge?

I sure don't want to turn this thread into a religious discussion, but what you said simply couldn't be further from the truth.

Enlighten me.