Musician Gear & Tech Discussion

Mike, to be as honest and sincere as I can, I think you should try delving into that area a little more. Seeing how you take your pedal tone so seriously, it's odd to me that you haven't dug into your amp tone very much.

I must have really gotten under your skin owning you so much on the true bypass issue... you are just grasping at straws to seem like you know something about something...
I just told you I auditioned several tubes in my amp... and one set of them were very rare NOS... but good try.

United wasn't a tube manufacturer, it's just a label. If it says made in USA on it, it's most likely GE or Sylvania. I'd have to see the etched codes to tell for sure what they are.

yes, and the sovtek 12ax7was I mentioned were actually stamped groove tube.
I am well aware of the fact that NOS tubes are regarded as superior to new stock, I am also aware that the process of making them is very hard on the environment, and that that is why they don't make them in the USA any more, and that the USA made tubes are considered the 'best of the best' (like the uniteds I mentioned), and that of all the places making them today there is only one place you can get away with poisoning the environment to the degree that we used to poison our environment here in the usa to make them... that place is china.

But neglecting your amp tone is actually more detrimental to your sound than stringing a bunch of buffered pedals together by a long-shot.

fascinating theory... how you've proved something so subjective is beyond me.

Ask, Sanshouheil.. I sold him a killer set of NOS preamp tubes and he'll tell you it instantly clarified his whole sound to a degree that shocked him.

wow, you ARE a genius that you are able to audition different tubes in amps for people.

And that wasn't even the cleanest concoction I can come up with. I sold him an RFT because he doesn't utilize his clean channel. RFTs break up early, and are the top choice for heavy metal players. It's considered to be the best you can use for distortion by many top tube aficionados in the world.

I guess we're going for two different things... I don't play metal or incubus covers. The high output tube I mentioned just happens to actually sound good in that peavey amp. And I'm not the first person who has come to this conclusion(that NOS preamp tubes don't mesh well with them). Powertubes are a diff story... those ARE NOS.

If you'd like some advice on the subject, I'm willing to help you.

or I could just ask someone who actually knows what they are talking about.
aren't you the guy that likes solid state fender amps? maybe that was some other knucklehead.

Why you haven't been on top of this is beyond me.. You'll argue tone 'til you're blue in the face, but have so far put garbage in your amp?? You're chasing the wong wabbit if you ask me.
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I didn't argue tone... I argued fact. I argued something much less subjective than whether my peavey actually sounds better with cheap tubes... I argued the quantifiable (another big word for you... it means you can actually measure the difference) truth that buffered bypass will bleed your highs. there will be a slight loss of highs AKA 'tone suck' associated with running several buffered bypass pedals.

But to say chinese tubes DEFINATELY don't sound 'as good' in this or that amp is not measurable (I dumbed it down since you will likely be intimidated by the term 'quantifiable').
I don't argue against the idea that NOS tubes are generally of higher quality... but that in this particular amp with this particular design, using some of the most highly regarded NOS tubes didn't sound as good as using some very cheap chinese tubes.

Hahahha.. Crazy.


Wow.


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Dude, I just read that over again.. And I think someone could use a Snickers.



Edit: Excuse me.. I mean a true bypass Snickers with a tropical fish in it.. Don't wanna stir that pot again.
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I want to take you all captive and make you adjust my amps and guitars till all problem technical aspects of tone are completely solved.

(I'll get some sandwiches and beer, we could be here a while) LOL

Hey Scott, if you're ever in the market for some good pickups dirt cheap, check this guy out:

http://bensoncustom.yolasite.com/handwound.php

You can request any certain sound you want, and he can recreate it. It kind of freaks me out he was able to duplicate the sound of my '57RI for $75, full set, shipped. Don't let the price fool you, I'm gonna redo 3 more guitars with his pickups. They sound that good.

Just something to think about if you have some stocks you wanna swap out.

Dude, I just read that over again.. And I think someone could use a Snickers.



Edit: Excuse me.. I mean a true bypass Snickers with a tropical fish in it.. Don't wanna stir that pot again.
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yeah I know, and we didn't even get to talk about the cornerstone of your tonal theories... ie your squire collection.

putting expensive pickups on a squire is a bit like polishing a turd isn't it?
or putting 20" chrome rims on a ford fiesta.

Aw, c'mon, guys! I think it's obvious that you really love each other! GROUP HUG TIME!

Now I see what Craig & I look like from the outside!


































I'm shutting up now...

just getting my kicks in... tit for tat... I took a few elbows, I gave a few elbows, it's nothing too personal.


cheers,
mv

I've got to get ready for a show tonight. But f**k Mikey!! I read what he wrote about Sans BEFORE he edited it last night too. You're an elitist a**hole Mike.

I'm gonna enjoy kicking the s**t out of your ego later.

LOL

I missed something ??


I am always interested to hear opinions, it broadens my horizons.
But don't be fooled in thinking I really give a sh*t.

FYI, if you get your hands on certain squires, they sound and play better than some strats and I am not talking mim crap, comparatively.

They are better than some american and jap versions. (gulp)

Did I just say that? Yeah.. The JV ones are particularly good.

Ask Pete, Ask Shred, ask anyone who owns one.

I played a friends recently and I didn't want to give it up.
I even offered him a trade of one of my better jap strats.

He didn't budge, smart man indeed.

You want to know the truth, go try one. You'll find out.. And it is a humbling process, believe me. Not like I want to like ANY squire..because I do not. But now I know better.

Not all squires are the same, but some are accidentally better than you would believe possible.

The new ones are bunk, exception anything 20th anniversary or 60th anniversary. They pay more attention to details in these configurations.

Guitars are like women.
Just cause it looks good, has a rich daddy, or lives in a slum, does not tell if shes a gem or a turd.
You have to play em to know for sure.
Two rifles, same model, same manufacture, serial number one digit apart, one will be accurate with 150 grain bullet the other a 180 grain bullet, the third may not shoot for crap.
Same deal.
Arguing over a personal preference is masturbation without ejaculation.

I've never played a Squire that didn't need a complete overhaul on its guts, as it's sold in the store. That being said, I switched the guts in mine with USA guts, & I'm very happy with it.

Also, I put a black pick-guard on it, & I think black-on-black looks MUCH better than the white-on-black does.

Mine was an '88, & I think it's a Jap one. I'll hafta go look at it again to be sure, though...

FYI, if you get your hands on certain squires, they sound and play better than some strats and I am not talking mim crap, comparatively.

They are better than some american and jap versions. (gulp)

AGREED you CAN make it PLAY better than most off-the-shelf strats.

but that in no way makes it as good as an american strat... but I don't believe we even need to go down that road of comparison...

my point was not to bash all squires... I know many of you are fond of them and frankly, I loved the pro tone series squire and would buy one with no hesitation.

my point was that If you are going to expand our dialogue to include all links in the chain of tone... and we're talking subjectively now...
probably one of the more important links in that subjective chain is the guitar you play...
and in the arena of tone snobbery most would agree that squires do not belong for various reasons.

btw sans... I said nothing bad about you but I think you probably already knew that... (let me re-phrase that... I said nothing even ABOUT you) not sure if shredd was joking or what.

It is all good up in this guitar 'hood. lol