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#94707 by gbheil
Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:16 pm
[quote="jimmydanger"]Ha, the only problem is my outflow surpasses my income.


Ditto that part Jimmy.

But then I can't take it with me so what the hell.

#95438 by CraigMaxim
Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:10 pm
CraigMaxim wrote:It may very well top one billion dollars when all is said and done, putting it into a rare class, with only a handful of films ever breaking the one billion mark.

I think it will accomplish that and more.



That was an understatement...

Box Office Report: 'Avatar' soars past $1 billion worldwide
by Adam B. Vary
Jan 3, 2010



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Thanks to astronomic word-of-mouth, inflated 3-D ticket prices, and consecutive holiday weekends that began on a Friday, Avatar continued its seemingly unstoppable climb to the Hallelujah Mountains of U.S. and global box office. According to estimates from Hollywood.com Box Office, James Cameron’s sci-fi opus grossed $68.3 million over New Years weekend, a tiny 10 percent drop from Christmas weekend for a $352.1 million domestic total — easily the biggest third weekend in the U.S. ever (2002’s Spider-Man had held the record with $45 million). Much more impressively, in just 17 days, Avatar has surpassed $1 billion in global box office. To put that in perspective, it took The Dark Knight pretty much its entire theatrical run just to make it to that milestone. (Another landmark: $66.4 million of Avatar’s worldwide total is from IMAX theaters, a record for the mega-screen format.)

Avatar wasn’t the only film to ring in the new year with serious box-office bounty, either. Sherlock Holmes sleuthed out an elementary $38.4 million for second place, a 41 percent drop for $140 million total. Hot on its heels, Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel chirped to $36.6 million, dropping just 25 percent for $157 million total and third place. (So what will the inevitable third film be called? The Second Squeakquel? The Threakquel?) It’s Complicated fell a bite-sized 15 percent, cooking up $18.7 million for fourth place and $59.1 million total. And in fifth place, The Blind Side actually improved upon its total last week, rising 8 percent for $12.7 million and $209.1 million total. (As EW noted yesterday, this means star Sandra Bullock is the only actress ever to have a film marketed on her star power alone pass $200 million in U.S. box office.)

In fact, with no major debuts to steal away fresh audiences, it was simply a fabulous weekend to be in movie theaters, period. Up in the Air pitched down an imperceptible 3 percent with $11.3 million and $45 million total. The Princess and the Frog hopped up 11 percent with $10 million and $86 million total. Even certified turkey Did You Hear About the Morgans? was up 4 percent, bringing in $5.2 million for a (still woeful) $25.6 million total.

Overall, the top ten box office was up 70 percent from last year, when Marley and Me was barking its way into filmgoers’ hearts.

#95439 by CraigMaxim
Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:16 pm
CraigMaxim wrote:
And in fifth place, The Blind Side actually improved upon its total last week, rising 8 percent for $12.7 million and $209.1 million total. (As EW noted yesterday, this means star Sandra Bullock is the only actress ever to have a film marketed on her star power alone pass $200 million in U.S. box office.)



Big Milestone for Sandra Bullock this year too!


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#95675 by CraigMaxim
Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:15 pm
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Going to see Avatar in a few hours... FINALLY!!!

I'm excited! :-)


Next week about this time, it will become the second highest grossing movie of ALL TIME, next to Titanic! That will be, the TOP-2 highest grossing movies of all time, held by the same director... James Cameron.

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#95686 by philbymon
Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:56 pm
I keep coming back here to see how many ppl have actually SEEN the damned thing! Ther sure is a lota hype over it, ain't there?

#95712 by gbheil
Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:52 pm
I would like to see it again on the big screen. Damn boys now we need a good 3D feature length rock music video. :twisted:

#95716 by ColorsFade
Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:09 am
I saw it again this past weekend, this time in 3D.

I have to say, I liked it better in 2D.


The 3D glasses sit too far off my face and the viewing window in them is too small. I had to hold my head perfectly still to get the entire screen in the viewing window. It was annoying.

The 3D effect itself was pretty nifty; I especially liked it during the action scene where the panther chases him; it made it quite a bit easier to grapple with the fast paced action in that particular scene.

But overall I didn't think it added *that much* to the film.

I think I might have a different opinion if I had some custom fitted 3D glasses and if I were seeing it in Imax 3D.


For me, the film stands on its own, 3D or not. I stick to my previous review: the story is old and tired, but this is definitely a unique take on that story, and I love the work they've done to create this world.

#95718 by Sir Jamsalot
Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:54 am
Chippy wrote:The only thing that bugs me about this film and having not seen it yet, is lack of actors. I firmly believe we'll have sex by brain and communicate that way too sometime in the future?

Perhaps even the happy drug? Will the new one rising will be born of such things? I've no idea? But I do know that people are becoming more introvert while technology eases the senses.

Interesting title too. (YOU the Avatar).
Sure I'll watch it . At 20 Million who wouldn't?

Sign if things to come methinks? A Virtual sex object that has a voice, sounds human enough yet is does not feel.


Seen Brainstorm?

#95732 by jimmydanger
Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:22 am
Brainstorm was a cool film. How could it not be with Natalie Wood (her last film) and Christopher Walken? Also check out "Altered States" (I believe we discussed this one some time ago) or "Quest for Fire".

#95734 by TheCaptain
Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:39 am
any bagpipes?


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#95737 by CraigMaxim
Wed Jan 06, 2010 5:17 am
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Spectacular!

Like George, I definitely would go to see this movie again.

I agree with Colors about the glasses being a little too small, and having a narrower window, than I would have liked. I found that part of the problem was smudges on the edges, and when I cleaned them well, this helped alot.

I disagree though, that the 3D didn't add much. Although that may be premature to say, since I have not yet seen it in only 2D.

But the 3D was phenomenal to me, and absolutely made me feel much more immersed in the action. Two of my step kids came with me and my wife, and BOTH kids were clinging to each of us, when some of the action scenes were unfolding. My wife jumped several times too. LOL

But as stated in reviews, it was not gimmicky at all. It was a much more natural feeling experience, and the parts where things really jumped near your face, were used sparingly and wisely. After awhile I forgot about much of the 3D effects happening, because it became more normal as the movie progressed and the newness wore off.


But as to the deep, lush, brilliant and detailed landscapes and scenery...

To quote my wife... "I want to live there!"

Me too! :D

She said that, not only for the beauty of the world, but also the peaceful co-existence found there... although there didn't appear to be a variety of races among the Navi, as much as there were different CLANS of the Navi, with slight cultural differences. So potential racial conflicts didn't seem possible, and greedy war-lords didn't seem to have a place, when there was no technologically advanced society in place, where gold and money meant anything. Would they compete over fruit? Pac-animals? There seemed to be plenty of both, along with a population of only several thousand Navi, using the narrow list of resources they utilized.


POLITICS:

You can't escape the uber-liberal messages throughout the movie however. And while I have those Utopian desires myself, and felt that the world should be more like the Navi... Closer and more respectful of nature... A people in relative peace... Wise stewards of the resources, not killing things for the sake of killing them, etc... Still... there are flaws in those messages.

The only thing that really brothers me, is that the worldview the American Military had was ridiculously outdated, like putting a Pre-Civil War era worldview and attitude in a future American Military.

The message is clear...

"The American Military is PURE EVIL!"

And that description of the movie's message is NOT an understatement.

The politically-based Anti-American dialogue and imagery was unapologetic, and unmistakably chastised not just our current War on Terror, but just had to add a little Vietnam in there, for good measure. How long ago was that war now?

WAR ON TERROR:

Lines like "We'll terrorize the terrorists!" (or something similar)
Blood for oil references, because the Evil American Military is there to mine an expensive mineral.

VIETNAM:

Gassing the lush, dense forests to overcome the indigenous people. I'm surprised no one yelled "I love the smell of Napalm in the morning!"

RACISM:

The Evil Military Commander is white of course. And he accuses the hero of the movie at one point of "Betraying his race" which could be passed off as being intended to mean the "Human Race" but I am convinced it was just a subtle ploy to attack the "White Man" who must pay for generations of abuses to Indians and Aborigines, etc... Because the line could have easily been "You are betraying your people!" and NO ONE would have come away feeling it was a subtle slight against being white.

The word RACE to describe what are in effect... ALIENS was not by accident, and if memory serves, was repeatedly used several times. This was NOT another "race", it was a completely different SPECIES, who breathed a different atmosphere and was unlikely to have as similar DNA to humans. These beings had tails, and a biology that intermingled with other animals, like the CONNECTING of anemone-like tentacles that interlock with horses and flying creatures, etc... Whereas all races of humans are something like 99.9% identical regarding DNA.

So, I am quite sure the race remarks were intentionally political.

The attitude was identical to CENTURIES OLD thinking, where people who live in jungles and don't build brick or wood houses, are not human, but animals.

How many times do we have to revisit the mistakes of the past? We have a president who has apologized to just about every country out there, for mistakes that are hundreds of years old.

Get over it already. The world is moving forward... let's continue the progress.

It's like Internet flame wars between two people, where they have to go back and forth with the insults and accusations, and then one decides "Someone has to back out of this thing or it will just go on forever"... And yet when they do, the other one STILL just has to have that last word... Has to explain that position "one more time"... not knowing, or not caring, that is only likely to put it all back to square one again!"

When someone gives you an out.... TAKE IT!

And yet here we are, fueling the racial flames all over again, and making our HONORABLE Military villains to goodness and peace and humanity in general.

Ughhh!!!!

So, I can only hope that REAL TERRORISTS, don't see Avatar as a potential recruiting film. And "No!" I am not joking in the least, because it would be no stretch at all, for them to try and "convert" American recruits by having them identify with the hero of the film... an American Soldier who ends up waging war against other Americans, and helping the poor natives (Iraqis, Afghans) bring the war right back to the EVIL AMERICANS who have the poor, but strong in heart natives, outgunned and out-financed and out-technologized.

In reality however...

The "evil" American Military sacrifice, sometimes EVERYTHING to preserve the FREEDOM that allowed Cameron to make the movie in the first place, and he sure had no problem spending 400-500 MILLION DOLLARS of the evil Capitalist country-based MONIES to get his propaganda piece out there!

It is a modern-era "Dances with Wolves". But the problem is, that the lessons and accusations were FAR MORE applicable when speaking of Native Americans in that time period, than the Military of today.

Are wars sometimes waged for economic reasons... undoubtedly so. But not in the way presented in the movie, where the Navi, despite having their own language, the ability to learn others, a recognizable civil social structure, all the things that would identify them as an advanced species, and not mere animals which can be hunted for food.

The race-bating and anti-Americanism are unfortunate.

Yes, the main Hero is also an American Soldier, but the majority of the other American "heroes", almost to a man, are... no surprise... SCIENTISTS!

Scientists are good... Military people are evil.

The excessiveness of the politics was a turn off, but was brief.

And even people who feel as I do.... And there will be a significant number of these, who APPRECIATE and RESPECT our Military men and women, will still likely CHEER the loss of the Military and victory of the Navi. We recognize the injustice of what is done to the peoples in this story, and most Americans "DO" believe in Justice, even when it is justice coming against the evil among our own countrymen.

It didn't ruin the movie, but it was an unpleasant distraction and was completely unnecessary. His political message could have gotten through enough to get his points across, without the OVERKILL and without offending a LARGE group of Americans, who still value our own nation and it's ideals.

I hope this is not another nail in the coffin of our values and strengths.

If the self-loathers among us, only knew what potential harm they are doing, perhaps they would rethink how they go about their political agendas.

In any event...

Most of the messages are good.

RIGHT wins, or at least lives to fight another day.

And the Native American and Buddhist and potpourri of other philosophies borrowed by Cameron for the Navi, are always good messages to be reminded of.

I'll see it again when I can.

Politics and all. :roll:

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#95745 by philbymon
Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:38 pm
Um...so I take it that this is a movie that you love to hate?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Now I HAVE to see it just to see all these secret messages you see, Craig. But I wonder if perhaps you're reading a bit too much into it? Sometimes fiction is just fiction...

I can't help but remember how the new Star Wars prequels were attacked for being racist & stuff. That seemed a lil ridiculous to me. Ppl often read too much of thier own thoughts into other ppl's works...

But, as I haven't seen this yet, I'll hafta wait until I get the chance before I take on your take on the film maker's intentions...

#95765 by CraigMaxim
Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:38 pm
philbymon wrote:Um...so I take it that this is a movie that you love to hate?




A movie I hate to love. LOL

It's not gonna make me lose sleep. There is a plethora of such Hollywood fare, and many of those other movies are about real wars that occurred, and are full of the same messages... The American Military is evil, accept for this one soldier that rejects it all and is a rebel for truth... yada yada yada

But none of those are the second highest grossing films of ALL TIME!

Worldwide, countless millions are seeing those messages, buying into them, and just reinforcing a critical view of America in their minds. It's certainly not helping foster a reinforcement of the GOOD America does.

But it's James Cameron's message, delivered through the generous millions of Fox Studios.

They can feed us whatever they want.... it's their nickel.


philbymon wrote:Now I HAVE to see it just to see all these secret messages you see, Craig. But I wonder if perhaps you're reading a bit too much into it? Sometimes fiction is just fiction...




LOL

I don't blame you buddy.

But the messages are BLATANT and not hidden or a matter of interpretation at all.... there is no other way to describe the American Military in this movie, other than PURE EVIL.

It is an indictment on the "Greedy American Military Industrial Complex" and the premise is all.... BLOOD FOR OIL!!!

Remember, that Cameron has been working on this film for 12 years.

Bush was only replaced last year.

And I see that I am not alone in this view, by any stretch of the immagination. When I wrote my review of my impressions of the politics in the movie, I was trying to remember a line in the movie... "We'll out terror, the terrorists" or something similar.

When I was looking it up, it brought me to many message boards, where many people expressed resentment over the same messages.

Well, and that's one I had basically skipped, and should have detailed...

TERRORISTS

These are idigenous tribal people. Nothing in the movie that I recall, gave some justification for calling them "terrorists". It was a bizarre line, that was FORCED into the movie, with no basis for being there, other than that Cameron sees the peace loving people of Iraq as comparable to indigenous peoples, merely defending themselves from the powerful and technologically advanced invaders, who are fighting a war of blood for oil.

The parallel is unmistakable.

Why call Native-American like people in a forest, on a planet that WE HAD TO FLY TO, to STEAL the poor native's minerals.... TERRORISTS? This line comes BEFORE any militant action is taken by the Navi.

Well, and oh yeah...

The literal mineral the evil greedy Americans are after, is a shale-rock looking thing, and conveniently.... JET BLACK.

Hmm.... Like oil. ;-)

12 years in the making, and during most of it, we are engaged in a 2nd war with Iraq and a larger War on Terror?

Yeah, he's slapping us in the face with it.

It's not coincidental by any stretch.

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#95766 by CraigMaxim
Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:50 pm
I will say this though...


There are certainly OTHER messages in the movie, and hopefull more important ones... Messages that would hopefully, be more moving and important for people to grasp onto...

1) The hope of living in peace, both with nature and other peoples.

2) That... Following what is RIGHT is more honorable than following your country blindly, when it's committing injustices on this scale... such as the wholesale slaughter of innocents in order to plunder them.

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#95771 by chipfryer
Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:13 pm
I hate those 'making of' programs. Hardly worth watching it now is it! :D

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