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The best guitar lesson I ever got was from a cheesy movie (eddie lives)-

The scene was split between two clips so load this one and go to the 8:30 mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itDxcWHv ... re=related

Then watch the first 1:45 roughly from this clip (picks up where the last left off)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZH2kBGY ... re=related

Sean and Bane, you guys should check it out

Hi Bane.
I see you wrote (Working Tracks). Nice man and unusual to see too. I'm not going to comment other than what you are doing recording wise seems as if it is working for you.

Very good Gitbox player but I think you do need someone in the writing mix just to give you another fork in the road. I need that too by the way.

Reminded me a little of the Scorpions and another Japanese band whose name I cannot remember now from way back early 90's.
Anyway.

Good luck.

The best guitar lesson I ever got was from a cheesy movie (eddie lives)-

The scene was split between two clips so load this one and go to the 8:30 mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itDxcWHv ... re=related

Then watch the first 1:45 roughly from this clip (picks up where the last left off)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZH2kBGY ... re=related

Sean and Bane, you guys should check it out

I love it, watch this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUrwa3TMSwE

I gave all of the tunes a quick listen, will check them out completely later, when I have more time. i like what your doing. The speed picking is awesome. Some of the rhythms are fairly similar to each other, and, I must agree with some of the previous comments, that the overall sound is thin and digital sounding, but, again, I dig it. Keep doing your thing and remember that other peoples opinions are cool and that you can always learn something from it, but, always do what you do and don't let anyone ever tell you different. Nice job...Shred on my friend, shred on...

The best guitar lesson I ever got was from a cheesy movie (eddie lives)-

The scene was split between two clips so load this one and go to the 8:30 mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itDxcWHv ... re=related

Then watch the first 1:45 roughly from this clip (picks up where the last left off)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZH2kBGY ... re=related

Sean and Bane, you guys should check it out

That is a good lesson, but one I learned years ago. If I was the kid in the movie I would laugh at the guy and ask him why he didn't use anything besides the standard pentatonic blues scale. Don't get me wrong though, I have great respect for the blues... there would be no rock/metal without it.

Here is my favorite lesson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0BkhXAmM3U
It's similar to yours, Kramerguy... however, it takes it one step further.

Personally, I would rather listen to Children of Bodom than Jimi Hendrix... that's just me though. Different strokes for different folks. Be yourself and you will attract the kind of people worthy of your company.

I (like Yngwie) insist that there is heart and soul in my playing. I am nowhere near finished evolving though, and won't be until the day I die.

Thanks again for all the kind words and honesty guys.

That is a good lesson, but one I learned years ago. If I was the kid in the movie I would laugh at the guy and ask him why he didn't use anything besides the standard pentatonic blues scale. Don't get me wrong though, I have great respect for the blues... there would be no rock/metal without it.

Here is my favorite lesson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0BkhXAmM3U
It's similar to yours, Kramerguy... however, it takes it one step further.

I think you might have missed the point I was trying to make. The crossroads clip is cool for sure, great movie, but no lesson was there other than the selling point of pure blues being superior to wank metal, which has nothing to do with the point made in Eddie lives (and it's not entirely true).

The point he was making was that the 'overkill' solo was cramming too many notes into a melody and not giving the solo a chance to breathe - and then he proceeded to play a solo in the same style that was much more tasteful, but slower and more intense. He drove it home in his comments "the music has to breathe, man"

What I hear when I listen to you soloing is the same thing, just cramming as many notes as possible into a melody.

I can't force you to see that, but like I said, I hate to see someone with your raw talent "wank it away".

I think you might have missed the point I was trying to make. The crossroads clip is cool for sure, great movie, but no lesson was there other than the selling point of pure blues being superior to wank metal, which has nothing to do with the point made in Eddie lives (and it's not entirely true).

The point he was making was that the 'overkill' solo was cramming too many notes into a melody and not giving the solo a chance to breathe - and then he proceeded to play a solo in the same style that was much more tasteful, but slower and more intense. He drove it home in his comments "the music has to breathe, man"

What I hear when I listen to you soloing is the same thing, just cramming as many notes as possible into a melody.

I can't force you to see that, but like I said, I hate to see someone with your raw talent "wank it away".

I got the message, but it's not for me bro. I think that message is more of a pat-on-the-back for players who aren't technically proficient. I wouldn't call what he played tasteful or more intense, but you were right about it being slow.

Being technically proficient doesn't mean I'm "wanking it away". I could slow down anytime I want and play something you would call tasteful.
It just seems like the players who say "keep it simple" are always the ones who don't have the ability to do anything else.

Slow, "tasteful" playing is as much a part of my arsenal as playing fast is. I actually have the ability to choose.

I've never heard of "wank metal" by the way. I know there's Metal, Heavy Metal, Death Metal, Black Metal, Industrial Metal, Progressive Metal, etc... but I've never heard of wank metal. lol

Anyway, the message I was trying to convey with the crossroads clip was that yes... Blues (or any simple guitar technique for that matter) can hold it's own against more technical styles of playing in the right hands, but it makes little difference if you don't have the ability to do both. Only then can you truly express how you feel through music at all times. In the end, depth of knowledge wins.

Some good playing there Bane but the writing is a little boring and dated. I would suggest expanding your influences and start listening to a wider variety of music. The average modern listener is not impressed with "wanking", they want variety, creativity and expression. Try to use less digital effects and use other tones so the playing doesn't get stale. Best 'O luck.

I got the message, but it's not for me bro. I think that message is more of a pat-on-the-back for players who aren't technically proficient.

I should have guessed that would come up. It's far from true. You won't find much wanking in my profile songs, for instance. Anyone here can tell you that I can wank, I've put up stuff in the past. The problem I had was simply that wanking up and down scales pretty much is boring and repititive. Doing 'tricks' gets to be a bore. I realized that on my own, as well as with the help of simple movies like eddie II pointing that out. What really made it all dawn on me was that I thought about my favorite guitar solos.. there's the obvious yngwie and EVH (hot for teacher solo) that are jaw-dropping, but my #1 favorite? The motels, 'only the lonely'.. a simple 4-measure solo with only about 10 notes.

It fits the song as good as any guitar solo ever fit a song. The sax solo after it is also a prefect example of soulful and tasty playing. I'd take those two guys in a band over any yngwie type player any day of the week and twice on sunday.

You will also find on my profile songs that I struggle with phrasing when ad-libbing / slowing down. Something I never experienced with wanking.. why? Simple - because wanking required less ability on every level with exception to "technical", whereas slow and intense requires FAR more invention, imagination, and frankly, more rhythm and even technical ability comes into play for timing changes. I play in a pop band and some of that stuff is harder than any metal I ever learned. Playing a 7/8 rhythm while the drummer is switching up poly-rhythms is mind-boggling sometimes, and the slightest fumble screws up the entire rhythm. That's technical ability IMO, and more technical than running scales.

I know I'm beating a dead horse on this, but I'm honestly just trying to save you from yourself, as many of us have walked that path and already know where it leads. The only salvation you will ever get (as a musician) is if you can out-do EVH and Yngwie, and every other person who has outdone them. Not a very rewarding prospect on any level.

I wouldn't call what he played tasteful or more intense, but you were right about it being slow.

The point was that he played something in the same 'style' (80's glam-metal tremolo soloing), and played it better than the other guy by slowing it down and "letting it breathe".

When you wank every solo, you end up writing the song around the solo and not the solo around the song. This is where Yngwie's career went into the toilet, when he began writing songs like Trilogy OP5 and Far Beyond The Sun in place of songs like I am the Viking and Soldier Without Faith.. There's a HUGE difference in the core writing and objectives of the songs.

Being technically proficient doesn't mean I'm "wanking it away". I could slow down anytime I want and play something you would call tasteful.
It just seems like the players who say "keep it simple" are always the ones who don't have the ability to do anything else.

Or don't have anything to prove.

Slow, "tasteful" playing is as much a part of my arsenal as playing fast is. I actually have the ability to choose.

I didn't hear anything in your profile that accomplished it, can you point me to a specific song, solo? I mentioned before that your clean playing was amazing, so I'd be dumb to think you can't slow it down, but hey.. I struggled with it (still do with 'ad-libbing'), so maybe you do too?

I've never heard of "wank metal" by the way. I know there's Metal, Heavy Metal, Death Metal, Black Metal, Industrial Metal, Progressive Metal, etc... but I've never heard of wank metal. lol

Because it's not a genre, it's a lifestyle. lol.

Anyway, the message I was trying to convey with the crossroads clip was that yes... Blues (or any simple guitar technique for that matter) can hold it's own against more technical styles of playing in the right hands, but it makes little difference if you don't have the ability to do both. Only then can you truly express how you feel through music at all times. In the end, depth of knowledge wins.

I get the point of the crossroads video, both played amazing guitar on two different levels. I didn't use that an an example because blues wanking is still wanking.. but anyways, depth of knowledge still wins, you are right about that -

Bane I got your message thank you. I cannot reply however since I cannot access my old account at the moment. Just to let you know I'm not being ignorant. Hope the celebs go well later.

Chippy.

I really appreciate your critiques. I totally agree with most of you about the sound issues.

Thanks again.

It's called "PHRASING" and I know you knew that.

DO NOT SIT THERE AND SLAM 64 notes into 1 fing bar and tell me that's all about you and your technical prowess.

NO, it's about your phrasing and lack thereof.

Many guitarists like that style and many guitarists do not like that style.

I do not. It's called TOO DAMN BUSY.

You know what happens when you try to play with others, right?

When you are too damn BUSY, you step all over everyone's toes because although you may be talented, you get a failing grade for "PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS".

If it's a team intensive situation, it becomes fairly obvious that it's not going to work. (There is no I in team)

PHRASING is very subjective to that genre/style you adhere to. IMO

Well can play some guitar.

Sounds too much like Yngwie to me. Obviously, that's good in one aspect, but with Yngwie still in business it's not good.

Do what you want, but I'd never listen to Yngwie ever again if I were you. lol
I had to stop listening to Steve Vai & Joe Satriani, because I kept on unintentionally sounding like them. I haven't listened to either one of them in like 10 yrs now.

good luck with whatever your doing though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV_WRNfDFKY

Personally, I think Yngwie (and the like) play with just as much feeling as someone like B.B. King. Sweeping appregio's and speed picking, to me, has the same emotion that bending and vibratoed blues notes do, in there own way and to the individual guitarist....nuff said.

I know I'm beating a dead horse on this, but I'm honestly just trying to save you from yourself, as many of us have walked that path and already know where it leads. The only salvation you will ever get (as a musician) is if you can out-do EVH and Yngwie, and every other person who has outdone them. Not a very rewarding prospect on any level.

I'm not trying to out-do anyone, I don't want to be saved. I already know what you're trying to say. You don't seem to get what I'm saying though.

Just because I can shred a lead doesn't mean that's all I do. You're judging my demo as if it were something you heard on the radio produced by Bob Rock. I made it pretty clear that the demo was mostly done as a technical showcase. I never said it would span multiple genres. I'm sure someone listening to it expecting to hear country or techno would be disapointed too.

Making the conscious decision to change the way you make music with the sole purpose of pleasing a larger crowd is referred to as selling out and I have no intention of doing that.

The point was that he played something in the same 'style' (80's glam-metal tremolo soloing), and played it better than the other guy by slowing it down and "letting it breathe".

Better by who's standard though? Not mine. "Letting it breathe" is little more than poetry to me, not strong musical advice... as it can be taken many ways. I suppose by your standard, letting it breathe means playing slow, sustained notes and keeping it simple.

When you wank every solo, you end up writing the song around the solo and not the solo around the song. This is where Yngwie's career went into the toilet, when he began writing songs like Trilogy OP5 and Far Beyond The Sun in place of songs like I am the Viking and Soldier Without Faith.. There's a HUGE difference in the core writing and objectives of the songs.

Trilogy Suite OP:5 and Far Beyond The Sun are two of my favorites, like I said before... different people like different things. I would hardly say his career is in the toilet either, he's not as popular here in the US as he is in Japan but his career is far from over. If the worst thing people have to say about my playing is that I sound too much like Yngwie, I must be doing something right.

I didn't hear anything in your profile that accomplished it, can you point me to a specific song, solo? I mentioned before that your clean playing was amazing, so I'd be dumb to think you can't slow it down, but hey.. I struggled with it (still do with 'ad-libbing'), so maybe you do too?

About 50 seconds into the track titled "Reborn". I intended to keep the song in the general area or that melody, but it was the first rythm I recorded while learning the DP-02 and I ran out of space early. I had about 4 takes to get the lead down which is why the 2nd "solo" is so simple.

I really do appreciate your input, I just don't want to be labeled a wank player and dismissed when there really is so much more to me. I'm sorry I couldn't get it all out in a 25min demo.

In closing, I just want to say I know it might sound to some people like we are arguing, but I don't see it that way and I really hope you don't either bro.