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#94593 by CraigMaxim
Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:41 am
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8431470.stm

BBC News
Sunday, 27 December 2009


The father of a Nigerian man charged with trying to blow up a transatlantic jet on Christmas Day had voiced concerns to US officials about his son.

The father, a top Nigerian banker, warned US authorities last month about 23-year-old Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab's extreme views, say officials.

US sources confirm a file was opened, but say the information did not warrant placing the accused on a "no-fly" list.

Airports worldwide have increased security after the alleged attack.

Mr Abdulmutallab was formally charged by a US federal judge at a Michigan hospital where he is being treated for burns after allegedly trying to detonate a device.

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'Sewn in underpants'

The detainee reportedly smiled as agents brought him in to the room in a wheelchair, dressed in a green hospital robe and with a blanket over his lap.



The Northwest Airlines plane had been carrying 278 passengers and 11 crew

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High explosives are believed to have been moulded to his body and sewn in to his underpants.

He was immediately overpowered by passengers and crew aboard Northwest Airlines Flight 253, minutes before it was due to land in Detroit from the Dutch capital Amsterdam.

The suspect was charged with placing a destructive device on the Airbus 330, which was carrying 289 passengers and crew, and attempting to destroy the jet.

His father, Alhaji Umaru Mutallab, is a prominent banker well-connected in Nigeria's political world, the BBC's Caroline Duffield reports from Lagos.

In recent months Mr Mutallab is said to have become alarmed about the political views of his son, who is a former engineering student at University College London.

He approached the US embassy in Abuja in November to voice concerns about his son, according to American officials.

How the accused, who had a valid US travel visa, boarded a flight in Lagos to Amsterdam, despite being on a database listing individuals of concern to the authorities, is a key question, our correspondent says.

Anti-terrorist measures in Nigeria's airports are haphazard and corruption among police, customs and security officials is endemic, she adds.

Officials in Washington, speaking on condition of anonymity, told news agencies that Mr Abdulmutallab's name had been added to a security watch-list of more than half a million individuals, known as Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment (Tide).

But there was apparently not enough information to include his name on the smaller Terrorist Screening Data Base, which includes a no-fly list.

It is understood that members of Mr Abdulmutallab's family are travelling to the Nigerian capital Abuja on Sunday to meet police and government officials.

'Nice and polite'

A preliminary FBI analysis has found that the device allegedly found on Mr Abdulmutallab contained the high explosive PETN, also known as pentaerythritol.

PETN was used in the device worn by British "shoe bomber" Richard Reid, who is serving a prison sentence for attempting to blow up a Paris-Miami airliner in Christmas week of 2001.


Mr Abdulmutallab allegedly tried to detonate a device using a syringe, but it failed to go off.

The suspect has reportedly told investigators he had links to al-Qaeda and received the explosives in Yemen for a suicide attack, after a month of training.

Mr Abdulmutallab went to the bathroom for about 20 minutes before the incident, court documents say.

When he got back to his seat, he said he had an upset stomach and pulled a blanket over himself, the affidavit continues.

"Passengers then heard popping noises similar to firecrackers, smelled an odour, and some observed Abdulmutallab's pants, leg and the wall of the airplane on fire," the Department of Justice said in a statement.

Dutch tourist Jasper Schuringa, credited with tackling the suspect first, is being hailed as a hero by fans on the internet.

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The 32-year-old Dutch filmmaker said when he heard a bang and smelled smoke he felt immediately it was a terrorist attack.


Tighter security has meant longer queues at US airports

Mr Schuringa added that the alleged bomber had not become aggressive after the alleged bomb failed to detonate.

"He was actually a normal person, he was very scared, he had a very frightened look, he wasn't resisting or anything," he told the BBC.

"I also spoke later to one of the Dutch people who was sitting next to him and they said he was a really nice and polite man. So he was someone you wouldn't expect to commit a crime like this."

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Meanwhile, delays have been caused to transatlantic flights after airlines flying in to and around the US tightened security.

Measures include cutting down on hand baggage, extra frisking of passengers at passport control and allowing more boarding time.

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#94595 by CraigMaxim
Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:53 am
Is it Deja Vu all over again?


Wasn't the Ft. Hood terrorist, basically just blown off by our "intelligence" agencies too, just months before this?

Get a clue...

People with extremist views, often resort to extremist actions.


But hell, with our new administration's lackadaisical attitude...

Terrorists are gonna squeeze another successful one through before long.

It's a matter of time.


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#94606 by gbheil
Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:57 pm
Oh man, a vision of AIRPLANE passes through my head. Everybody takes a turn slapping the terrorist LOL.

Headline should have read.
After hour of ground and pound terrorist thrown from airliner at 10,000 feet.

#94616 by CraigMaxim
Sun Dec 27, 2009 4:38 pm
sanshouheil wrote:Oh man, a vision of AIRPLANE passes through my head. Everybody takes a turn slapping the terrorist LOL.



LOL

Made me think of this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd9i_i3MjT4


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#94622 by fisherman bob
Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:04 pm
As long as the state of Israel exists there will be terror. It is as simple as that. You cannot possibly arrest every person who has extremist views. There are MILLIONS of them. We are going to experience another massive terror attack in the U.S. sooner or later. In the mean time all we can do is keep seeking terrorists, arrest and/or kill them. This is a permanent state of war. There is no end to this war. THis is not like any war we have fought before. Israel has been fighting this war since it attained statehood. It will continue as long as the state of Israel exists. Get used to it...

#94660 by CraigMaxim
Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:52 pm
fisherman bob wrote:
Israel has been fighting this war since it attained statehood. It will continue as long as the state of Israel exists.



You may be right about that. :-(

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#94684 by fisherman bob
Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:53 am
I had a conversation many years ago with a fellow from Turkey who was in their military elite special forces. He told me to fully expect a gradual escalation of terror worldwide including the U.S. I talked with this guy in the EARLY 1980's. He told me stories about the Russian invasion of Afghanistan that are mind-boggling. We are fighting an enemy much different than any we have fought before. This is going to be a VERY LONG war. Who knows how it will end (got any ideas Sans?)

#94708 by gbheil
Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:20 pm
Book of REVELATION




You had to ask ?? :lol:

#94711 by gbheil
Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:31 pm
Sorry, I should not be so flippant Bob.

I see life as a continuum.
She ebbs and floods like a river through the seasons of man.
There has only been one continuous war since Adam partook of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.
Adam and Eve were the first refugees.
Able the first fallen.
Mans strife will end at the end when the dark powers no longer hold influence on our souls.

Such is life.

#94725 by Kramerguy
Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:52 pm
CraigMaxim wrote:Is it Deja Vu all over again?


Wasn't the Ft. Hood terrorist, basically just blown off by our "intelligence" agencies too, just months before this?

Get a clue...

People with extremist views, often resort to extremist actions.


But hell, with our new administration's lackadaisical attitude...

Terrorists are gonna squeeze another successful one through before long.

It's a matter of time.


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the administration had nothing to do with it, it was simply an intelligence failure between the CIA and our foriegn embassies. Misdirection here isn't warranted or necessary.

Besides, if you want to discuss lackadaisical attitudes about imminenet dangers.. let's discuss the CIA memos prior to 9-11...

Let's face it, our leaders LOVE WAR, lots of people get rich from it, and nothing comes close to keeping the population in line like good ol fashioned fear-mongering and common enemies. The new administration is certainly on board with continuing the status-quo, but don't for a minute think that the obama administration is creating anything new here.

"A government on the principles on which constitutional governments arising out of society are established, cannot have the right of altering itself. If it had, it would be arbitrary. It might make itself what it pleased; and wherever such a right is set up, it shows there is no constitution." - Thomas Paine

#94755 by fisherman bob
Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:24 pm
Has anybody ever really wondered how Israel has existed for so long? How could a tiny country of three million people hold off the vast resources of almost one billion people for so long? Anybody venture a guess? Look at Israel on a map, it is literally a speck of dust compared to the rest of the Arab world. How does it survive and THRIVE? Think DEEPLY about it, there's a good reason for it...

#94758 by jimmydanger
Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:56 pm
Hmmm, because we support it and keep it propped up?

#94763 by Kramerguy
Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:45 pm
fisherman bob wrote:Has anybody ever really wondered how Israel has existed for so long? How could a tiny country of three million people hold off the vast resources of almost one billion people for so long? Anybody venture a guess? Look at Israel on a map, it is literally a speck of dust compared to the rest of the Arab world. How does it survive and THRIVE? Think DEEPLY about it, there's a good reason for it...


Because even though the arab world has been flighting over that speck of dust for well over 2000 years, we saw it fit to rip it out from under it's current occupants (as of 1945) and give it to someone else, displacing far more than 3 million non-jew arabs.

So we meddled in a 2000+ year old fued and now wonder why there's terrorism against us, from the side we ripped it from (and their sympathizers)


Greatest DOH of all time, perhaps.

#94778 by CraigMaxim
Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:38 am
Kramerguy wrote:
So we meddled in a 2000+ year old fued and now wonder why there's terrorism against us, from the side we ripped it from (and their sympathizers)




Well, it's not really that simple unfortunately.

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