General Music Chat

Looks like Tiger's had a lot of tail and it's going to cost him hundreds of millions of dollars...

^^^ hehe good one Bob!

18 holes for Tiger Woods.

100 million dollars a year income can buy lots of fancy whores.
I doubt if he is really all that concerned.

How does Tiger differ from Santa Claus?




















Santa always stops after the 3rd "HO!"

I understand the year the Green Giant stepped on the Pillsbury Doughboy and squashed him the Green Giant didn't get any presents from Santa Claus. When he was loading Santa's presents one of the elves asked Santa who's not getting presents this year. Santa's reply: Ho Ho Ho, Green Giant.

Years ago I myself was in Tigers shoes.
Well, except for the golf and the money.
I wish I could sit down have a beer and talk to the boy Mano a Mano.
Shame is, the rich / celebrity separate themselves from people like me whom could and would help without thought of reward.
Not like I could send him an E mail saying:
"Dude meet me for a cold one, I know the way out, and would be glad to share it with you."

Tiger would be Lion if he said didn't like Cougars, but he's a Cheetah anyway.

Apparently, he went way over par, on every one of those holes.



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100 million dollars a year income can buy lots of fancy whores.
I doubt if he is really all that concerned.

He should be.

Sponsors are already subtly dropping him from their ads.

He made more money in endorsements than golf winnings.

He has a prenup in place with his wife, but child support may be a different issue.

The biggest blow, is to his reputation, as a man of character, a role model who had the support of the masses as well as all his peers.

But the public can be a very forgiving crowd, particularly when the person comes clean, and humbly admits his faults, and has shown substantial strides in healing the errors, and pursuing a new path.

But he isn't quite playing it that way, and instead made a brief, generic and pathetic admission that he is sorry for his mistakes... but with the caveat, that... "This is a personal matter."

Sure it's a personal matter.... if... you want to distance yourself from the money, honors, respect, etc... that adoring fans afford you. Those fans "feel" as if they ARE a part of his world, and they've made him a fortune in the process, paying hard cash for the "image" of Tiger they bought into.

Yes, he should be most worried about focusing on his own family, and counseling for himself, but... at some point he needs to give a little more. His fans deserve that.

But who knows?

A few months goes by, and he makes the obligatory appearances on Letterman, Larry King, etc... and with some humility during the interviews, and then a few jokes thrown in afterward to lighten it all back up, he may be right back in the good graces of the public.

Some of what he has lost however, he will never recover.

This has tarnished the way people perceive him, and for many, it always will.

Funny how our "gods" (little g's) always manage to become all-too-human after all the adoration and worship has been thrust upon them.

It's almost like a spiritual law, reminding us, that even if the whole world were to bow at our feet, in the end, we will find ourselves, mere flesh and bones.

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Eh...we Americans make way too much of the sexual escapades of others. It ain't our business, & imho it says very little about one's character or ability to do a job. I doubt it even says much about one's loyalty.

None of us know what has led this man to make the choices he made.

We expect so very much from our celebrities. How many of US could actually measure up to those expectations? We need to remember that with fame & fortune, all sorts of opportunities & temptations appear that the rest of us can hardly imagine.

This guy has spent his entire life becoming the very best in his field, at the cost of a regular life. I will not begrudge him balancing things out any way he wants to.

I don't care if he's lied or cheated as long as he hasn't been malignant about it. He hasn't stolen. He hasn't threatened or physically hurt anyone. Leave him the hell alone. This is between he & his wife & family, & is none of our affair.

There has been a huge cost to him to become the very best. He is an example to us all, not only of excellence, but of simple human failing & needs. It's not up to us to judge, but to apply the best parts of him to ourselves, while trying to avoid the pitfalls he's fallen into (if, in fact, you believe that he's fallen - I, for one, do NOT).

Final word - is he still trying to be the best he can be at what he does? The rest is none of our business. Quit looking to bring down the best. It says far more about you than it does about him.

That's just it Phil; he's not trying to be the best he can (he's taking a year off from golf), he's wrecked his family and hurt the PGA. Yes, it's his business, but anyone who is famous and flucks up makes it our business. Anyone can make a mistake and have an affair, and that's up to the individual's partner whether it can be fixed. But fourteen women is an obsession that most likely needs extensive counseling.

Fourteen ? Hell is that ALL.

Hell I,m a poor boy and can do better than that.

I know what led him to it. His lust is no different than mine.
I also know how he can overcome it.
Doubt he'll be asking me though.

That's just it Phil; he's not trying to be the best he can (he's taking a year off from golf), he's wrecked his family and hurt the PGA. Yes, it's his business, but anyone who is famous and flucks up makes it our business. Anyone can make a mistake and have an affair, and that's up to the individual's partner whether it can be fixed. But fourteen women is an obsession that most likely needs extensive counseling.

Totally agree.

Although he has likely done far more FOR golf, than taken away from it. The audience is something like, cut in half, when Tiger isn't playing in a tournament. More viewers means larger prize amounts, for ALL golfers playing the tournament.

Tiger's personal failings have nothing really to do with his golfing itself, but it does affect the economics of it all, and these things are intrinsically linked. Like Michael Jordan before him, character MATTERS to people. They buy into the whole package, not just the athletics alone. People look for heroes, and MJ and Tiger have been that to many. People to admire, look up to, and aspire to.

Character DOES matter. And if someone will break their word to their wife, while incorporating a slew of friends as co-conspirators to facilitate the manipulations and deceptions, then this betrays SERIOUS character flaws. Particularly when we are not talking about one indiscretion, during a time when the marriage was suffering. This is more than a dozen liaisons, occurring as sport. It wasn't an accident. He wasn't drawn to some "secretary" that always seems to understand me, especially when the wife is being a b*tch.

This is simply, pure SELFISHNESS of the highest order.

This is a human being he married. One that he promised faithfulness to. A woman he has children with. He has destroyed an entire family, and likely put some serious rifts in OTHER families, as those OTHER husbands have some answering to do as well, as to why their friendship with Tiger had to involve covering and helping facilitate his sexual trysts. Many of these wives were clueless their own husbands were co-conspirators, so now those wives have to wonder... 1) What else has he kept secret from me all these years, and... 2) Is someone else in this golf "rat-pack" covering for MY husband's escapades as well?

He has also threatened the health of his wife with all these affairs. Unless you can wrap your entire body in plastic-film wrap, there is no absolute safe sex. He could have exposed her to any number of sexual or other communicapable diseases. He also betrayed his own friend, the one that originally introduced him to his wife. He has put his wife, as well, in a terribly awkward position. She can't just deal with her grief and feelings of betrayal alone, but everywhere in the world she goes, there will be cameras trying to film her, stalking her for that grief shot. She gets to go from feeling like a queen in the world, to being embarrassed and humiliated in front of the entire world.

He was proud of himself....

Right up until he was caught.

He is terribly selfish as a human being, with little regard for the fallout of his deceitful actions, and little concern for how many people he has hurt.

She was a trophy wife.

An object.

Someone to be used.

Not a partner worthy of honesty and trust... someone to build a life together with.

I don't feel sorry for him in the least.

I feel sorry for his wife and his children.

The true victims.

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In short if he allegedly did this? What a beautiful wife and children he had. She is just stunning, His loss frankly if and again he did do the things they say he did? He'll regret it for certain. Life isn't about money and possessions, its about nice people.

Obsession? Perhaps.

Still, it is something that should be between he & his family, & the others he has dealt with, & his Dr...NOT something that should be national news.

Today, if you talk about him like he's some sort of role model, you have to take the entire package, ppl - the good AND the bad. It didn't used to be like that.

When Babe Ruth had his troubles with women & alcohol, the media actually tried to keep things under wraps for a bit. This kapt the children who adored him from trying to emulate his every action.

We don't do that anymore. The slightest rumor of improper action, & we're all over it, trying to depose the king of whatever, no matter if its warrented or not.

This guy obviously has a bit of a problem. He needs to deal with it on a personal level. We don't all need to be fed his dirty laundry like it was a main course at a fine restaurant.

This is one area where I will disagree with Craig forever. He wants it all out in the open where we can all play judge on the perp. I think that's a very stupid approach, because, 1 ) it destroys ALL heros, because no one is perfect, folks - 2 ) this does nothing whatsoever to actually heal anything, while it feeds on our darker desires to bring those who are the best down to our own baser levels, making the very state of being the best one that has no real meaning anymore - 3 ) it encourages us all to look at each other with ever more scrutiny, which none of us can afford unless we live the mythical life of a Christ-like figure - 4 ) we all need to remember that very poignant lesson from Christ which says "judge not lest ye be judged."

Character character character...how many of us can actually say what we'd do with unlimited wealth, lots of free time, dependable friends to cover for us, & ppl falling over themselves to make sure that we are happier than we really need to be? There ain't a one of us here in the forum that doesn't have an Achilles heel, some area where we could & would be corrupted, given the right circumstances. For some of us it would be sex, for others, drugs or drink, some would go for power & more wealth...but believe me, there ain't a goddamn one of you reading this who cannot be swayed to the dark side, as long as you think you can get away with it.

For Pete's sake! Look at our own bailywick! If we held ppl to all those standards in music, we'd never have had the Beatles, the Stones, Floyd, rap would never have gotten off the ground (okay, so it all wouldn't have been bad), Mozart, Peter Gabriel, NONE of the greats would be remembered for anything but their failings.

Tiger has opened the field of his sport like Jackie Robinson did for baseball. He has set new standards of excellence in his field. Unfortunately, he is also human. Well, tough on him! We don't need any of THOSE in the pubic eye! (yes, I said "PUBIC EYE)

Every person has it in him to do something like this, & the farther he gets to go in life, the more apt it all is to occur. It's part of the human experience that perhaps we should NOT be celebrating like we do these days. Why is it so necessary to bust up the public view of the successful? Are we teaching our kids that they, too, can get away with stuff indefinitely, as long as they are successful? And YES! This WILL hurt golf! It WILL hurt his sponsors. Is THAT something we should accept as "collateral damage," as long as "the truth" can come out? I can't accept that. Let him deal with it privately, as he should.

Will this unending televised coverage help anyone in any way? I think not. But you folk go on with your Tiger-bashing while you celebrate the vile & banal. I will not join in.

He's just a guy who did well to me, in spite of his failings as a human being. I cannot imagine what I would have done if I had his abilities & successes.

Let us have a hero or two in our lives. Shut the hell up unless you are perfect. For that matter, if you're perfect, shut the hell up anyway, cuz I can't deal with perfection.