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#93377 by Dessalines
Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:09 pm
Source? Where is the source for this? You say you heard but from whom or what?

#93379 by Dessalines
Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:17 pm
Amazing! I went back though every response and nobody asks for the source? Should we scream at every rumor? Should we believe something that is completely unattributed or do you folks just like being angry? Gotta ask, cause it seems to me that you're riled up over nothing. I tried to research this but all that comes up is this thread, started in October....

#93403 by fisherman bob
Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:38 am
Sources? CNN, Fox News, NBC, ABC, it's all over the news media. And today Bank of America just announced they are paying off the 45 Billion dollars they received from TARP. I said PAYING OFF, as the U.S. government is RECEIVING 45 BILLION dollars. I want my share of that money sent t o me as a check. That 45 BILLION dollars should be divided equally among all the U.S. taxpayers and sent out IMMEDIATELY as a rebate. The 45 BILLION dollars is NOT the U.S. government's money, it's OUR MONEY. Assuming there's 300 million taxpayers that comes out to about $1500 per taxpayer (is my math correct?) I want the DAMN MONEY NOW...

#93418 by philbymon
Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:00 pm
So screw the debt, & don't pay it back? Imagine the interest saved if we sent a huge payment like that to China.

I don't deserve any more of that money than the AIG execs did. Stop the BS. Pay back the debt, & don't make these kinds of mistakes again.

#95915 by Dessalines
Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:42 pm
fisherman bob wrote:Sources? CNN, Fox News, NBC, ABC, it's all over the news media. And today Bank of America just announced they are paying off the 45 Billion dollars they received from TARP. I said PAYING OFF, as the U.S. government is RECEIVING 45 BILLION dollars. I want my share of that money sent t o me as a check. That 45 BILLION dollars should be divided equally among all the U.S. taxpayers and sent out IMMEDIATELY as a rebate. The 45 BILLION dollars is NOT the U.S. government's money, it's OUR MONEY. Assuming there's 300 million taxpayers that comes out to about $1500 per taxpayer (is my math correct?) I want the DAMN MONEY NOW...


Sorry Bob, my request for sources was on the OP's post, not on your useless rant about getting money from the government that you should be making for yourself. Don't blame the government for your lack of initiative. You want money? Get yourself the skills to make that money and it shouldn't be an issue for you. As I always say, if taxes is your issue, you don't make enough money.

I'll bet you that I pay, perhaps three or four times what you pay in taxes and I'm not looking for any bailout money. Don't need it. I, as a citizen, understanding what a citizen is and what my rights and RESPONSIBILITIES are, have no issue with paying taxes to educate our children, build and repair the roads, run the military, the space program, plow the snow, regulate the quality of food and drugs, and so much more. You on the other hand, as far as I can see from your various posts here only complain. Your complaints say more about you than the government. Furthermore, these boards are for musicians but most of your posts are rants about politics, about which you know little, because you watch the talking heads on all those TV channels you listed. If those are your sources of information, that also speaks volumes about you.

I want a society where people care about each other. This is what we as a nation are losing, that we are connected by the bond of our nationhood. Your world seems to be about you and what you're not getting. You don't get it if you don't work for it. If you're worried about some welfare queen getting over on her $600.00, with food stamps with three kinds, I think you should know that, that ain't living. Besides those welfare queens have to get off the dole in two years now, (maximum life time benefit), due to the welfare reforms passed in the Clinton years, a fact that many people conveniently forget.

I suppose that you haven't noticed that a great deal of TARP money has already been returned with actual profit. Nope, did not see any of that in your posts. However, I'll give you this, that in the end it will be a loss but it will have been worth it, to see that the great depression was not re-run. I suspect you have no idea what that was actually like. I do, because my father never stopped telling me about it. The Great depression will not be re-run,, because people like Bernanke, Paulson and Bush did have enough sense and courage to take action when it was sorely needed. No doubt you blame Obama and not them but I thank them all for taking neccessary and unpopular action.

Turn off the TV, go back to school, get an education on how government is supposed to work and maybe some of those skills that might keep you from falling into poverty.

#95933 by philbymon
Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:18 pm
Des - go back to school? With what? I'm having a helluva time just making enough to live on...barely! Your callous response shows how little you actualy know about the current situation for a whole buncha Americans.

You wanna care for me? Send me to school. Otherwise, shaddap about how gov't is supposed to work, cuz I don't think you have a clue on what's going on out here in the real, or what the gov't is actually doing (which is very little, if anything, truth be told) to make anything at all any better.

Have you checked out the cost of that schooling you're so fond of referring ppl to? Where is that money supposed to come from? And once you get there, you're gonna be paying for courses that have nothing to do with bettering your situation, or getting you in a position to make those big bucks. They're gonna scrape every frikken dime they can out of you, making you take useless courses at every chance they can. And you'll be buying those books & toeing thier stupid lines for one reason only - to make the school money - instead of actually preparing you for a better job, cuz that school needs income to pay for thier new sports complex. But that's simply the way the game is played out in this country's educational system, ain't it? You ALWAYS gotta pay to play, unless of course you're in the good graces of the Bushes & Bernankes...

As I recall, there's a limit on how much welfare you can accept in your lifetime, because there were thousands who were misusung it. Clinton gets my kudos for that, but I guess you would like to see those ppl on the dole forever, huh?

Far as I'm concerned, Bernanke, Paulson & Bush secured the futures of the very ppl that ripped off every American, but yeah, I suppose it took a bit of "courage" to do it all right in our faces. They were pretty blatant about thier thievery, weren't they? And those criminals are still lining thier pockets with the monies of others, aren't they? Sweet! I want a job like that. Can you send me to school to get one?

#96499 by Dessalines
Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:42 pm
philbymon wrote:Des - go back to school? With what? I'm having a helluva time just making enough to live on...barely! Your callous response shows how little you actualy know about the current situation for a whole buncha Americans.

You wanna care for me? Send me to school. Otherwise, shaddap about how gov't is supposed to work, cuz I don't think you have a clue on what's going on out here in the real, or what the gov't is actually doing (which is very little, if anything, truth be told) to make anything at all any better.

Have you checked out the cost of that schooling you're so fond of referring ppl to? Where is that money supposed to come from? And once you get there, you're gonna be paying for courses that have nothing to do with bettering your situation, or getting you in a position to make those big bucks. They're gonna scrape every frikken dime they can out of you, making you take useless courses at every chance they can. And you'll be buying those books & toeing thier stupid lines for one reason only - to make the school money - instead of actually preparing you for a better job, cuz that school needs income to pay for thier new sports complex. But that's simply the way the game is played out in this country's educational system, ain't it? You ALWAYS gotta pay to play, unless of course you're in the good graces of the Bushes & Bernankes...

As I recall, there's a limit on how much welfare you can accept in your lifetime, because there were thousands who were misusung it. Clinton gets my kudos for that, but I guess you would like to see those ppl on the dole forever, huh?

Far as I'm concerned, Bernanke, Paulson & Bush secured the futures of the very ppl that ripped off every American, but yeah, I suppose it took a bit of "courage" to do it all right in our faces. They were pretty blatant about thier thievery, weren't they? And those criminals are still lining thier pockets with the monies of others, aren't they? Sweet! I want a job like that. Can you send me to school to get one?



Geez, I address one guy and another answers... Is there only one guy out here with nine different ID's?

Philby baby, my comments were for the Fisherman, not you but I guess you have some brotherhood thing going because you're both here all the time. Yes, I am probably more aware than thou of the cost of a college education today. It is not relevant, as my comment was more editorial than a "real" suggestion. I thought some one of your acumen would have picked up on that.

My point about Bush, Bernanke, and Paulson was to set the record straight about who bailed out whom and when. Everybody is so down on Obama for what reasons, I cannot for the life of me fathom but I see so many stupid comments about him bailing out companies. He managed the efforts that were left to him. Now if we're talking about the U.S. auto companies, I would ask you if you would be comfortable seeing tens of thousands of auto workers thrown out of work, not to mention all of the attendant jobs in supporting industries. Does that kind of economic chaos really appeal to you? If it does then I can do nothing with you. BTW, was it you or Bob who was going to lead the nation away from the abyss that the prior eight years had led us too, or was your approach just to let it go to hell, because that would be fun?

Now a couple of things. In another life far away, I worked in Social Services on Long Island New York, seeing welfare intakes, so I know more than just a bit about that. It was in the 70's, well before welfare reform, which I saw as a good thing. I saw those who had no right to assistance get it because they knew how to work the system and I saw those who needed help get none because they had to learn the system. Getting on was not an easy thing to do and if you were new, by the time I saw people for the third time they were usually destitute and homeless and they became my problem to solve. Have you every tried to find housing for a family of four at 4:30 PM. on a Friday afternoon when nobody gives a damn? Let me know if you have any questions.

About an education.... One does not have to go to college to be educated, one needs to read. One needs to read a lot. One needs to read the right books on history, economics, art, more history, lots and lots of history. Throw in some good fiction to preserve sanity. One needs to turn off the TV and the talking heads, who by their very existence must come/make up with things to talk about so their benighted audiences don't go away. As you are aware this is the 24 hour news cycle. Everyday only about three stories are actually relevant. I've posted one below, that dovetails with what I posted for the fisherman. You might find it instructive and then again, if you just want to live inside your anger, maybe not.

You can start with this book: "The Coldest Winter" by David Halberstam. Just finished it about two weeks ago. I learned a lot.

An education should not really be about getting a job, it should be about expanding your horizon and your mind. That's a major problem with education today, we are training people to be good employees, not good citizens, which is what the founders had in mind for a public education system. See Thomas Jefferson and the creation of the University of Virginia... Lift your vision up from angry stuff and see the whole picture its so much more complicated than people screaming "I wuz robbed"....

The situations that are dredged up on these boards are so much more complex than the angry verbiage that is spilled out here and in other places. The anger is useless, while real knowledge is useful. Your smarter than this post you left for me and you really did fail to understand where I was and am coming from.

Pacem..

Please see the link below:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews

#96518 by philbymon
Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:50 pm
Des - sorry about my lil rant. My back is killin' me, I got worries out the yin yang over my grandson, who's still sick, & I went over the edge at ya. It wasn't warranted, & I apologise. I'm just on the edge here, lately.

Back when my back was 1st injured, I tried to get on the dole, cuz it was nearly 6 months before I got my 1st Workers Comp check, thanks to WV's weirdness. I was told that I couldn't get on it, but my wife could, since she was the mother of my son. That pissed me off. I was the one who was hurt. I was the one who was being flooked by the system, but the gov't wouldn't help me because I was a flight risk or something, like I would run out on my family with the welfare check to go buy heroin or something. That's the way I was treated.

My son is now a single parent, & his son has a lot of medical problems. You would think the system would be set up to help him, but that isn't the case. I'm about as fed up with the gov't's welfare program as a man can be. I would never pay another dime in taxes again, if I thought I could get away with it. That's how pissed off I am with the good ol' US of A.

I read a helluva lot, too. Fiction & non. I've been getting into Michael Pollen's works. lately. I'll check out your link later.

Sorry, again, but I'm just about as frustrated as I've ever been, & there doesn't seem to be any help in sight. All I hear on the news is more doom & gloom, & I honestly don't think I can take any more without going off the deep end with a gun in awater tower.

Well...I ain't quite there, yet, but it's surely looking more attractive as things keep going on.

#137558 by MikeTalbot
Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:37 pm
Stealing my "donation" from me at the point of a gun does not make for a caring society. It makes for a shitheep where you exist at the whim of the masters. I actually give money away when I can and assist relatives as many of us do - but I resent any damn penny that goes to those venal, arrogant and painfully inept govt swine.

cheers
Talbot

#137588 by gbheil
Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:07 am
MikeTalbot wrote:Stealing my "donation" from me at the point of a gun does not make for a caring society. It makes for a shitheep where you exist at the whim of the masters. I actually give money away when I can and assist relatives as many of us do - but I resent any damn penny that goes to those venal, arrogant and painfully inept govt swine.

cheers
Talbot


Hell yes.

We the people are supposed to be the government. Not that bunch of pin head thieving lawyers in Washington.
Most of whom we should round up and drown in the nearest public toilet.

#146867 by PaperDog
Fri May 20, 2011 5:14 am
fisherman bob wrote:I've got a better idea. Go ahead and tax people on selling music online. Also those people selling music online can deduct ALL their expenses: music equipment, Computer purchases and accessories, internet charges (like Bandmix premium membership, etc.), gas to and from gigs, the percent of your utility bill to power your amps and computers, clothing you purchase to wear at gigs, food and drinks you purchase at gigs (I can deduct the cost of business lunches), EVERYTHING related to running your music business be allowed to be deducted, just like EVERYTHING we can deduct in the running of any business. Music is a business. If the feds want to tax our meager online music sales, LET"S EMBARASS THE SH*T OUT OF THEM AND CLAIM EVERY DEDUCTION WE CAN. I guarantee the feds will LOSE MONEY ON THAT DEAL AND THEY WILL THEN LEAVE US ALONE....



The Feds can't get embarrassed. America is getting fleeced by them... Its not just "taxes" anymore... It's "Exorbitant taxes" and its on everything. This is what happens when you have PACS, Environmental quotas, going to emergency rooms for paper cuts... and a slew of people entering our borders illegally. Somebody has to pay for all of this... And heres a clue: It ain't broke people on welfare, paying for it
Just remember...when you ask your congressman to do something for you...you are asking for some more legislation. Whenever there is more legislation, you will lose that much more of your freedom. Think about that.

#153539 by blues edge
Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:14 pm
If im lucky Ill make 5k in a yr playing gtr , but i save reciepts & with milage im lucky to break even. so claim it all & buy yourself a new...??? for chistmas then deduct it! ( no money.. but lots of equipment ). I dont think they're( the government ) interested in that level of income but if you do ever "make it " they may wonder & investigate the years prior to your sucsess because now you do have money ( for settlement ) so document!

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