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I'll agree...as long as you lump them all together, cuz there ain't one any better than the rest when it comes to atrocity.

We are living in the 21st century.

THE 21st CENTURY PHIL!!!!

Show me where Judaism or Christianity practices or condones, and even COMMANDS.... KILLING YOUR DAUGHTER for becoming too "westernized" or not accepting an arranged marriage and this being justified BY THE RELIGIOUS TEACHINGS itself!

Show me one.

Show me where in Judaism or Christianty, GENITAL MUTILATION of women is practiced, and condoned.

Show me where in Judaism or Christianity it is taught that murdering people because they don't accept your faith is acceptable and even commanded!

SHOW ME!!!

Wait, you won't will you?

It will be the same illogical position, held despite no evidence to support it....

"It's not about the religion's teachings Craig... but those who FOLLOW the teachings are just mentally ill!"

So, if you follow the teachings of Islam, it would be because you are mentally ill?

What an IDIOTIC position to hold!!!

LMAO!!!


Wow!!!

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you and Phil, instead become SEXISTS, because you condone the subjugation, degredation, mutilation, imprisonment, torture and MURDER of "WOMEN"...

If you really believe that I condone such behavior, then you do not know me and there's nothing I can say or do to convince you otherwise.

I feel sorry for you Craig. Your obvious hatred and fear has clouded your intelligence and your judgment. You've now sunk to the level of name-calling and hurling serious - serious- accusations at me and others. You now throw the word "sexist" at me, without knowing anything about me personally, without taking any time to find out what my real views are on anything.

I am, truly, deeply disappointed in you Craig.

Okay...I'm seriously laughing my lil butt off, here, man!

You gimme that last post immediately after you show me all the propaganda that OUR news is giving you? Who's REALLY fooling himself, Craig? You'll blindly believe anything that anyone tells you that proves how evil Islam is, yet you make fun of others who blindly believe what they're told by their news.

You're in a sorry state of mind, Caig.

By the way - I really AM a sexist, & quite proud of it, by the modern definition, so that lil statement from you I consider to be a compliment to my good sense...but perhaps that's a subject best discussed some other time...

You're still a bigot, & the angrier that you get about it, the more you prove your bigotry to me.

You once again assume that you are so much more worldly than I, when in fact, from what you show me, you may as well have been raised in a box in some backwater town & force-fed christian propaganda.

You brag about the number of moslems you've met like you would the number of black friends you have. Stupid!

You are very naive if you think that Proctor & Gambel would give you less biased news than "their Imans & News Anchors," Craig!

You think it's outrageous or something that these ppl would hate America? I would think it extremely stupid if they didn't, considering the history of the last 60-70 years. You only see one side, but I'm trying to see all sides.

Yeah, they are a simple, illogical ppl , by our standards, but it is NOT our job to force them to be like us. For you to even consider doing such a thing shows your contempt for them as a ppl, as it shows your inflated view of yourself.

You have obviously bought into the rhetoric what says "they hate our freedom" a bit too much. I can see that ol' GWB really reached you with that one!

You wanna fight illiteracy? Try doing a bit in your own country! And while you're at it, try reading something other than that which is designed to increase your bigotry.

You find it surprizing that they would turn to their religion over the USA? WHY? Have you not said, yourself, that you put your relationship with your god above the one you have with your country? Wtf is wrong with you? I know - you're just another bigot.

It's your kind of thinking that will bring this world to the edge of disaster more than any other, Craig, cuz your "reasoning" is as twisted as you claim theirs to be.

Btw - it IS curious, don't you think, that there were no Jews killed in the twin towers on 9/11? Hmmm....I wonder...

Oh, & for the record - when you resort to spouting about eternal damnation, bud, you sound like a militant christian, & you lost your argument by default, with me.

Colors,

Sorry I have disappointed you, but I have a really low tolerance level for delusional behavior.

When facts stop being important.

It's all over.

You may as well be trying to get a rock to understand something.

You and Phil are calling PEDOPHILIA merely a "cultural choice" as valid as any other.

Well, gee, you didn't take that position about CHILDREN did you?

Just... WOMEN!!!

Maybe it becomes more obvious to you, when it is children and not women?

One can hope.

You can't have it BOTH ways. Pedophilia is wrong, or it is a valid cultural choice. Which is it? Islam strips women of their freedom, it condones sexual mutilation, and honor killings, and much more!

Which is it?

A valid cultural choice, or an abuse of women?

And I am JUST AS DISAPPOINTED in you. Wasn't logic what set you free from religion in the first place?

Where's your logic now?

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You and Phil are calling PEDOPHILIA merely a "cultural choice" as valid as any other.

I have never said such a thing, and I take offense to the fact that you have now placed such thoughts and words at my feet. I'm deeply offended.

Islam strips women of their freedom, it condones sexual mutilation, and honor killings, and much more!

A valid cultural choice, or an abuse of women?

If you think that I think that Islam is a good thing, you're the delusional one.

I'm fully aware of their treatment of women.

But I refuse to condemn an entire nation because of a religious belief. Beliefs can change. I choose to believe in the good of human beings and the potential to correct mistakes. After all - there was a time in our own history when we treated blacks as slaves and women were 2nd class citizens.

We changed.

And without a foreign country having to invade us and force a new belief system on us.

Okay...I'm seriously laughing my lil butt off, here, man!

You gimme that last post immediately after you show me all the propaganda that OUR news is giving you? Who's REALLY fooling himself, Craig?

You are.

F*ck the "news" - Those were pictures of girls who are now DEAD, because they wanted to date, or wear make-up.

YOU ARE THE ONE TRYING TO "SPIN" THE FACTS!

And doing a MISERABLE job of it!

Because the FACTS ARE that these were HONOR KILLINGS, a JUSTIFIED and TIME HONORED - RELIGIOUS PRACTICE, that is even practiced in our ENLIGHTENED MODERN 21st CENTURY!!!

But YOU... have to INSTEAD, suggest that these killings have nothing to do with the religion itself, these cases are just a bunch of whackos!

But that stamement means that someone is a WHACKO if they FOLLOW the religious tenets of Islam, since HONOR KILLING "IS" a long-standing principle of Islam.

Do you really NOT SEE how STUPID that position is?

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Colors,

NOW you are getting rational, or at least getting close to it!

You said...

"Beliefs can change"


Here is the operative word.... "CAN"

But they have NOT changed yet.

They are BEGINNING to change.

Beginning.

As more and more Muslim children are born, and grow up in DEMOCRATIC countries, this will change even more.

In strict Muslim countries, these girls would not have even THOUGHT about pushing the limits of their father's patience. They would have been OBEDIENT with head coverings for some, arranged marriages for all, and genital mutilations for others.

THEY ARE MARTYRS.

THEY are paying the price for this change.

(Remember how I discussed the old ways, not wanting to give way to the new easily? That the world was going through the birth pangs of a new age?)

THAT is the kind of thing I meant.

BUT...

BUT.... when the OLD WAYS see more and more, how children start adopting other religions, wearing make-up more, not accepting arranged marriages, etc...

IT WILL GET WORSE - BEFORE IT GETS BETTER!!!!

Just remember that.

All I have tried to do, is issue a warning... BEWARE! Islam is not a cuddly harmless religion.... not yet. Not for a long, long time. Realize what you are dealing with.

I don't "hate" Islam...

I just understand it.

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I hate to tell you this, Craig, but I am not "for" the moslem faith...of course, neither am I "for" the christian one.

I see atrocities permitted & encouraged by both, & I don't see either one as being better or worse than the other. They both suck, as far as I can tell.

As I've said before, if you were really that interested in stopping "hate crimes," you'd be far more interested in the crap going on in the African continent than you seem to be.

But you only have your favorite whipping post in your sights.

Handle the crimes on an individual basis, but don't pretend to be right when you spit on an entire group of ppl. That is simply bigotry, & you seem to be quite caught up in it to an alarming degree.

I can't believe that you think that the wearing of make up is a positive step in the right direction for these ppl, either. And you call ME sexist! LMAO

But do go on. You seem very happy to call us out for having our opposing views, & continue to blithely condemn an entire religion for the acts of the few, while you ignore those acts perpetrated by ppl of your own faith, cuz YOUR faith is friendlier, isn't it?

LOL

Colors,

NOW you are getting rational, or at least getting close to it!

I've had the same ideas about this for a long time... No one has asked.

You said...

"Beliefs can change"


Here is the operative word.... "CAN"

But they have NOT changed yet.

Change doesn't happen overnight. We both know that. But I believe in my fellow human beings and in the inherit good of people to eventually outweigh the bad.

As more and more Muslim children are born, and grow up in DEMOCRATIC countries, this will change even more.

I am not even sure the Democratic part matters; I think the greater weapon in all of this is the internet and the information age that we're in. It's easy to suppress people when you can hide the rest of the world away and only feed them the information you want them to hear. But when they have access to the information themselves, that changes everything. Then their own minds do the work for them, and they say, "Hey, the rest of the world doesn't treat its women this way, why should we tolerate this?"

I believe more change will come from information and time - and that change will happen internally and move outward - than from outside pressure and occupation.

I agree with Craig here 99%. The one thing I don't agree on is that it will start to get better.

Everything that's happening now in America and the Middle East has been predicted in The Bible. And according to The Bible, things here on Earth will only get worse until Jesus comes back.

More and more people are turning away from Christianity for the sake of "political-correctness", as was predicted.

The war on terrorism will soon be HERE in AMERICA...And it's already begun.

America will not win this war, nor will the other side...In the end, we both lose.

I just hope Jesus comes back soon so I don't have to witness America's soon-coming destruction...

Oooooooooooookay...you're just getting creepier & creepier, Ryan...

Have fun with all of that...

Oooooooooooookay...you're just getting creepier & creepier, Ryan...

Have fun with all of that...

You don't know much about biblical prophecy Phil.

The only thing I disagree with Ryan on there, is that Jesus is not coming on a LITERAL white horse, dumping LITERAL "bowls" that are filled with plagues, etc...

Plagues? Yes. Out of a physical bowl? No.

Jesus? Yes. White horse running through the clouds? No.

It is metaphorical language.

The prophecies are VERY real though, and VERY serious.

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Oooooooooooookay...you're just getting creepier & creepier, Ryan...

Have fun with all of that...

You don't know much about biblical prophecy Phil.

The only thing I disagree with Ryan on there, is that Jesus is not coming on a LITERAL white horse, dumping LITERAL "bowls" that are filled with plagues, etc...

Plagues? Yes. Out of a physical bowl? No.

Jesus? Yes. White horse running through the clouds? No.

It is metaphorical language.

The prophecies are VERY real though, and VERY serious.

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I never said he was coming back on a white horse...The Bible never says that.

It DOES say that when the rapture happens, we will be gone in the BLINK OF AN EYE. So yeah, no white horses...

So we actually DO agree for once, Craig

Rapture?

I'm more inclined to believe in the Human Instrumentality Project

(Evangelion fans unite!)

Oooooooooooookay...you're just getting creepier & creepier, Ryan...

Have fun with all of that...

yea ... hope it works out for you