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Just some clarifications about that article mary (and everyone else)

For years, Life Extension has been exploring the potentially devastating consequences of vitamin D deficiency, ranging from cardiovascular disease to cancer. Now in this report, Life Extension magazine examines the link between low levels of plasma vitamin D and autism. At the forefront of this research is Dr. John J. Cannell, executive director of the Vitamin D Council and a forensic psychiatrist at Atascadero State Hospital in California. The stunning findings suggest that rampant vitamin D deficiency is causally related to brain dysfunction, and may be readily preventable by adequate supplementation.

This is not possible.
For one, most pregnant women take pre-natal vitamins to ensure that both the baby and mom have everything they need. There's no good explanation for why so many take the vitamins and autism cases are still increasing at exploding levels.

The second reason is that with all the "vitamin enhanced" food, drinks, one-a-day vitamins, etc.. there's no way autism would be on the rise, it would be on the decline. Humans in the past had to forage what they could, many people starving, etc.. Based on this thoery - autism would have been more rampant than the black plague 500-1000 years ago.

The third reason is the kicker- Autism is rampant only in industrialized countries... so why aren't the mal-nourished moms in Ethiopia and Zimbabwe pumping out autistic kids?

I'm not disputing that a vitamin deficiency won't cause health issues, but I'm totally disputing that a vitamin deficiency has anything to do with autism. It just doesn't make sense.

What is undeniable is that there has been a marked increase in the number of children being diagnosed with autism over the past two decades, not just in the US but in most industrialized nations.18-21 Some experts argue that this rise is due to increased detection by parents and physicians, as well as changing criteria and diagnostic categories

This is one of the biggest lies out there. We've had the ability to read and write for 2000+ years. We've had distinct medical documentation of diseases for much of the last 800+. ANYONE who has spent a week with an autistic child can clearly see subsets of behavior that are distinct and clearly separate them from the "assumed mis-diagnosis" (mental retardation). Arm/hand flapping, lack of direct eye contact (or avoidance of), lack of speech development, over-sized cranium, poor muscle-tone & under-developed motor skills, and sooo much more.. While every autistic can have or not have a wide range of behaviors, many of them are commonly shared and easy to pick up... even those "dimwitted" doctors 200 years ago could have seen it... if it existed.

Autism is a man-made (or man-caused) "condition". It's not a disease. Autism is the final product of environmental poisoning.

Considerable attention has been given to mercury and other environmental toxins that cause oxidative stress,26,27 and scientists are conducting further studies to determine if mercury in the environment and mercury preservatives in vaccines are casually linked to autism. Genetic factors are also important, as demonstrated by high rates of occurrence in other family members, particularly in twin studies.

Interesting is that the government already did their own studies and concluded that vaccines have NOTHING to do with autism. They've already closed the book, and legislation slipped into the patriot act of all things actually states that you can't even bring a lawsuit naming the government (DHHS FDA CDC) as plaintiff over autism and vaccines or mercury (thermisol) etc..

I don't have any more time to type right now, maybe I will revisit later if anyone wants more of my opinions and insights

Unless you have a PHD or you work with it daily, don't offer medical advice as it is akin to squirting from your rear end to me.

If was going to take any medical advice from any of you, it'd be "Sans" as he really is a "medical professional".

And I could care less what you think of that. To me the rest of you are blowing smoke in the nether regions of where the sun does not shine.

You are entitled to your opinion, just preface it as such.
I.e. IMO regular Vitamin D is useless and cite your source(s).

Else save your advice. Do you think everything in print is absolute truth?
GROW UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE.
Media lies daily and 2x+ a day whenever they feel like it. The other conspiracy types in here can attest to this. I don't take mechanical advice from a surgeon and the surgeon does not fix my car.

The reason soft drinks aren't healthy has nothing to do with their effects on a metallic coin over a period of days; it has everything to do with sugar and other preservatives contained within, and the many effects sugar has on your body, not the least of which is how it messes with your insulin levels.

I think you have a point about digestion being a little different than just sitting in a glass of soda over several days, but Bob is right. Sodas are TERRIBLE for you, particularly if you drink ALOT every day, and it is not just sugar and preservatives. The acidity is obviously very powerful and attacks the lining of your stomach. It is directly related to my acid reflux. It is much much less of a problem for me, when I switch from soda to ised tea, or something without carbonation.

You both have valid points.

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Unless you have a PHD or you work with it daily, don't offer medical advice as it is akin to squirting from your rear end to me.

If was going to take any medical advice from any of you, it'd be "Sans" as he really is a "medical professional".

And I could care less what you think of that. To me the rest of you are blowing smoke in the nether regions of where the sun does not shine.

You are entitled to your opinion, just preface it as such.
I.e. IMO regular Vitamin D is useless and cite your source(s).

Else save your advice. Do you think everything in print is absolute truth?
GROW UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE.
Media lies daily and 2x+ a day whenever they feel like it. The other conspiracy types in here can attest to this. I don't take mechanical advice from a surgeon and the surgeon does not fix my car.

Actually,
I know FAR more about autism than ANY pediatrician in my area. I'd gladly take a challenge of matching wits with any of them

Which is why Jenny McCarthy pwns every PHD waving moron who tries to debate autism with her. Unless you are a parent who deals with every aspect of it, 24 hours a day, you really don't know sh*t.

Which is why Jenny McCarthy pwns every PHD waving moron who tries to debate autism with her.

Yeah, she has a good brain (I was going to say good head, but...)

But seriously, she is smart.

I ought to go look that interview up on YouTube I saw with Larry King. The doctors on there, must have thought she was a joke, being an actress. But she didn't just hold her own. She had them stumped and speechless at times. She was like a lion. She had answers to their questions, but they didn't always have answers to hers.

I was impressed.

She knows her sh*t.

She rattles off facts, quicker than congress spends money!

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Read closer...There is not a standard dosage for vitamin D. There are variables that determine the amount that any individual should receive. If you live in an area that sees a lot of cloud cover, if you do not spend at least 20 minutes in the sun with massive parts of your body uncovered. If you are African American or any other dark race, age. I take 10,000 IUs daily...I gurantee you that I did not get that much in my pre-natal vitamins. Knowledge about vitamin D is relatively new. Believe it or not. For most of my life, I thought that vitamin D was only good for bone growth. It goes way beyond that. Vitamin D deficiency can be the root cause of various illnesses including cancer. Taking efficient amounts of vitamin D can prevent colds/flu. My sister-in-law, for example takes it to treat her bi-polar issues. I would wager that everyone on this BM site is vitamin D deficient.

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/health/d ... agodcQg-LA

I belong to another site similar to bandmix that discusses nutrition, diet and other health issues. I am not saying that I am an expert on vitamin D...but I do know people, who know people who are.

Autism is a big part of that discussion.

Unless you have a PHD or you work with it daily, don't offer medical advice as it is akin to squirting from your rear end to me.

If was going to take any medical advice from any of you, it'd be "Sans" as he really is a "medical professional".

And I could care less what you think of that. To me the rest of you are blowing smoke in the nether regions of where the sun does not shine.

You are entitled to your opinion, just preface it as such.
I.e. IMO regular Vitamin D is useless and cite your source(s).

Else save your advice. Do you think everything in print is absolute truth?
GROW UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE.
Media lies daily and 2x+ a day whenever they feel like it. The other conspiracy types in here can attest to this. I don't take mechanical advice from a surgeon and the surgeon does not fix my car.

Sorry, it looks like you misunderstood me Captain. I am not offering medical advice...I am just sharing some knowledge that I have gathered over about a year. I kept quiet about it but I won't keep is a secret if I think that this information can help others. AND indeed it has helped others. I have shared some information on vitamin D what anyone does with that information is up to each individual. It isn't medical advice. I do not get paid enough to offer medical advice.

Read closer...There is not a standard dosage for vitamin D. There are variables that determine the amount that any individual should receive. If you live in an area that sees a lot of cloud cover, if you do not spend at least 20 minutes in the sun with massive parts of your body uncovered. If you are African American or any other dark race, age. I take 10,000 IUs daily...I gurantee you that I did not get that much in my pre-natal vitamins. Knowledge about vitamin D is relatively new. Believe it or not. For most of my life, I thought that vitamin D was only good for bone growth. It goes way beyond that. Vitamin D deficiency can be the root cause of various illnesses including cancer. Taking efficient amounts of vitamin D can prevent colds/flu. My sister-in-law, for example takes it to treat her bi-polar issues. I would wager that everyone on this BM site is vitamin D deficient.

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/health/d ... agodcQg-LA

I belong to another site similar to bandmix that discusses nutrition, diet and other health issues. I am not saying that I am an expert on vitamin D...but I do know people, who know people who are.

Autism is a big part of that discussion.

I understand what you are saying, but you failed to negate my points about why it's an increasing and not decreasing issue, and why it's less common among malnurished nations, when all logic would say that if it's indeed a vitamin issue, the problem should be far worse in those countries. Also, why it never popped up until the last 50 years, and exploded in the last 15 even moreso.

Mary, You need to understand, I've heard probably more than 250-500 "possible causes" and "related to" scenarios. I've listened to the debates and have become pretty good at seperating facts from fiction, and logic from desire.

We all WANT an easily explanable and identifyable answer, believe me, I want that more than anyone.. but I've found that when I apply logic that I know to the facts being presented, that most times it just doesn't add up, like this Vitamin D thing.

I know that many of those doctors are either already getting study grants, or are in the process of applying for government grants to "research" this possibility. The more forward steam they can muster, the more likely they will get money, and more of it depending on the success of their "sales pitch"... it really does boil down to that, sadly.

Any doctors doing ANY studies on any one of those 500 possible links/causes would be dumber than a bag of hammers to declare their logic dis-proven, give back the government money, and then go stand in the unemployment line.. they will defend their position with all diligence to the bitter end, or until the money runs out. It sucks, but that's life.

And it's not that they don't want to help, it's just that if someone was already given a grant to pursue a specific cause or avenue, chances are not likely that other groups will get a grant..

People like me are stuck in the middle, having to shoot down these theories, much to my own dismay as much as anyone else's-

Like I said- I'm always hoping someone stumbles onto some great and obvious cure/cause and for the nightmare to end, but if it can't pass the simple (parental) litmus test, then there's too much else to focus on, instead of chasing dreams.

The best thing in the world that could happen is for me to be wrong.

Read closer...There is not a standard dosage for vitamin D. There are variables that determine the amount that any individual should receive. If you live in an area that sees a lot of cloud cover, if you do not spend at least 20 minutes in the sun with massive parts of your body uncovered. If you are African American or any other dark race, age. I take 10,000 IUs daily...I gurantee you that I did not get that much in my pre-natal vitamins. Knowledge about vitamin D is relatively new. Believe it or not. For most of my life, I thought that vitamin D was only good for bone growth. It goes way beyond that. Vitamin D deficiency can be the root cause of various illnesses including cancer. Taking efficient amounts of vitamin D can prevent colds/flu. My sister-in-law, for example takes it to treat her bi-polar issues. I would wager that everyone on this BM site is vitamin D deficient.

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/health/d ... agodcQg-LA

I belong to another site similar to bandmix that discusses nutrition, diet and other health issues. I am not saying that I am an expert on vitamin D...but I do know people, who know people who are.

Autism is a big part of that discussion.

I understand what you are saying, but you failed to negate my points about why it's an increasing and not decreasing issue, and why it's less common among malnurished nations, when all logic would say that if it's indeed a vitamin issue, the problem should be far worse in those countries. Also, why it never popped up until the last 50 years, and exploded in the last 15 even moreso.

Mary, You need to understand, I've heard probably more than 250-500 "possible causes" and "related to" scenarios. I've listened to the debates and have become pretty good at seperating facts from fiction, and logic from desire.

We all WANT an easily explanable and identifyable answer, believe me, I want that more than anyone.. but I've found that when I apply logic that I know to the facts being presented, that most times it just doesn't add up, like this Vitamin D thing.

I know that many of those doctors are either already getting study grants, or are in the process of applying for government grants to "research" this possibility. The more forward steam they can muster, the more likely they will get money, and more of it depending on the success of their "sales pitch"... it really does boil down to that, sadly.

Any doctors doing ANY studies on any one of those 500 possible links/causes would be dumber than a bag of hammers to declare their logic dis-proven, give back the government money, and then go stand in the unemployment line.. they will defend their position with all diligence to the bitter end, or until the money runs out. It sucks, but that's life.

And it's not that they don't want to help, it's just that if someone was already given a grant to pursue a specific cause or avenue, chances are not likely that other groups will get a grant..

People like me are stuck in the middle, having to shoot down these theories, much to my own dismay as much as anyone else's-

Like I said- I'm always hoping someone stumbles onto some great and obvious cure/cause and for the nightmare to end, but if it can't pass the simple (parental) litmus test, then there's too much else to focus on, instead of chasing dreams.

The best thing in the world that could happen is for me to be wrong.

Kramer, I understnad your frustration and I am sorry for not saying more. I have been supercalifragilistic busy and have not had any real time to address your concerns and I appologize for that. I have several intense gigs coming up this month, plus I am putting together a musical program just in case my husband's aunt passes away. She asked me to do this and she just had a stroke about a month ago and things do not look promising at all. I don't want to be clawing for music at the last minute.

I am going to have more for you to examine and I will write more. I am getting ready to do that now. I am also going to try and refer you to someone, a "real" doctor who might can help even more. Stay well.

Kramerguy, here is an article that does indeed tie in the vaccinations as possible causes but keep reading. What has happened to Somali's that have moved to the states? Well they have been experiencing a high rate of autism...most notably those in Minnesota. Since vaccines are not given in Somalia vaccinations are something new for them. this has a defininte implication toward vaccinations as the root cause of autism. However, there is one more factor that needs to be examined here. That factor is vitamin D. Somalia has an abundance of sunshine which is something we all need. The darker one's skin pigmentation is the more we need it. Vitamin D, which actually acts as a hormone, diminishes when sun exposure is depleted. It diminishes enough to cause a severe drop in vitamin D levels. Whites are most likely to suffer sun burns if vitamin D levels are low. Adequate levels helps paler skin to become resistant to sun-burns.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... ldren.aspx

Do pregnant women get enough vitamin D from prenatal vitamins?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 105140.htm

Here is another one of my favored sites:
http://www.westonaprice.org/children/autism.html

What is really frustrating is vitamin D3 is dirt cheap. If I knew yesterday what I know today, I would have eaten differently when I went through my 3 pregnancies. My son who is ADHD probably would not have suffered that fate...there is speculation that ADHD should be on the autism spectrum. I homeschooled him for 3 years. But no one can or should be blamed for this. We are only required to do our best. You'd be surprised how much doctors do not know - so we as individuals must take an active LEAD in our health care and expect more from the medical field besides cures. Doctors are not idiots but they are trained and educated to treat illnesses and they know what they know. We must help them to also know what they don't know.

IMO = in my opinion.


And I second Kramer's understated point.


Be the parent for a while and know something worth repeating.

Don't just spout because the water is hot.

You can read all day and not come to a truthful answer.

You want to give advice, try becoming an expert on the subject first and then qualify your opinion with IMO, unless you just became a doctor or other professional in the field.

Kramerguy, here is an article that does indeed tie in the vaccinations as possible causes but keep reading.

I can't access the site because I won't sign up. "Dr. Mercola" is responsible for the most email spam I've ever seen, my Yahoo spam-box is FILLED with it, yet, I get far less porn spam than mercola spam, yet I frequent porn sites far more. Just to give you an idea of what that site is about: Selling products via cleverly written "factual" articles designed to SCARE THE f**k OUT OF YOU into buying a 'healthy' product.

Same for the link after that - the D3 article- did you notice that EVERY SINGLE ad on the page is selling the 'Wellesse' brand of D3?? I'll give you three guesses to figure out WHO exactly wrote that article...

What has happened to Somali's that have moved to the states? Well they have been experiencing a high rate of autism...most notably those in Minnesota. Since vaccines are not given in Somalia vaccinations are something new for them. this has a defininte implication toward vaccinations as the root cause of autism.

Wrong. Minnesota is the land of 10,000 lakes. All of them contaminated with mercury and god knows what else. So if mercury (in vaccines) is the cause, then why not fresh fish and/or drinking water also? There's a reason that stores are putting mercury warnings on fish... it's not because every fish runs on nuclear power....

Too add- I DO think vaccinations are a part of autism, whether they trigger, cause, or help - I just don't know. But the regressive autism certainly points at them. Also the amish here in PA have less than 5 cases of autism, all of which were vaccinated, but they also have a much cleaner water supply, for now..

there is speculation that ADHD should be on the autism spectrum.

It's like you just said an aircraft carrier and compact car should have the same license test to drive them...

Clearly, you don't understand autism / aspergers. I don't mean that as an insult, but that comparison is just dead wrong. This is why I don't debate juvenile diabetes or childhood leukemia - I only know what I read, and you can't believe ANYTHING you read anymore, because 99.9% of it is now corporate sponsored propaganda and bullshit. Parents of autistics, and those extremely close to the children (or adults even) are still the only people who seem to have a grasp on it.

You'd be surprised how much doctors do not know

That surprise wore off 5 years ago when I knew more about autism than 10 pediatricians, 2 neurologists, 3 psychiatrists, 20+ special education teachers, 10+ each occupational threapists, special needs physical therapists, special needs speech therapists, and countless others.

You would be hard pressed to surprise me with any doctors inability these days.

I'd say it's best to let it go Mary. I don't like debating, and the last 8 years of my life have made me amazingly cynical about politics and medicine.

Oh, and just an FYI

Because of her unusual diet, we supplement her with vitamins, including a multi-D. Her pediatrician over-sees the regiments and makes suggestions on changes based on her age/needs.