General Music Chat

I hope you realize how I differentiate this though...

I think screaming for EFFECT in a place on a song could be useful, when you were actually expressing rage and anger. But when you get to the "meaningful" part, things should SOUND meaningful and grateful.

We don't scream at people who we are grateful towards.

Imagine screaming at Jesus:

(actually read the words as if Ryan is singing it)

"THAAAAAANK YOOOOOAAAU LLLLOOOORRRDDDD JESUS (shake head) FOR SAVING MY SOUL (evil eye look) YOUR MERCY HAS MADE ME A NEW MAAAAAAANNNNN!!!!!!! (big bug-eye evil look as you get closer to His face, right up in His eyes!)"

Would you stand before Jesus and scream at him in gratitude? Scream at him the same way you do in these videos?

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Would you find it appropriately romantic, to SCREAM (as in your performances) to your girlfriend when asking her to marry you?

No, because there's a difference between a romantic night with your girlfriend, and an energetic night on stage with your band.

I don't how else to explain it, because I've explained it in the simplest language, and you're still not getting it.

Metal can express a wide range of emotions. But your theory is, if it's loud, it must be angry. You're placing ALL metal bands in the same category, and I already explained to you that each band has it's own motive, and it's own personal feelings. To say that an entire genre is ANGRY is ignorant, and shows that you've done no research, and you're just stating your personal opinions.

If I'm going to perform this style of music, isn't it better to be on stage screaming for Jesus than yelling about murder and anger?

But by your standards it's the same thing, so it shouldn't matter. So instead of singing a song on stage about letting Christ into your life, I'll do a song about raping a woman in hell.

It's the same thing, right?

No, because there's a difference between a romantic night with your girlfriend, and an energetic night on stage with your band.

Not so. Music is music. You are ASSURING me that Screaming can convey a loving message. If so, it can convey that on a personal level, just as surely as it is conveyed as a "story" on a stage.

Once again... Why am "I" able to "SING" a loving message and this is appropriate, and not "SCREAM" a loving message to that person and have it be appropriate? You claim screaming covers the range of emotions, then it covers romance and love. No problem right?

Ahhh... but you KNOW there is a problem, don't you? But admitting it means, you may not have a career "screaming for Jesus" because when we accept something opposed to our current way of thinking, we either have to fit our life to the new way of thinking, or we live in opposition to our own beliefs, which is difficult for most people. They still do it. But they drink to make up for it, or abuse drugs or lie to themselves, or play justification games. Messy business, not being true to what your heart tells you is true.

I don't how else to explain it, because I've explained it in the simplest language, and you're still not getting it.

Metal can express a wide range of emotions.

But admittedly by you... not romance. Correct?

But your theory is, if it's loud, it must be angry.

No sir, that is not my theory.

I could shout at the top of my lungs to my wife "I LOOOOVE YOU!!!!!"

That would be loud. She would cover her ears, while smiling though, and then give me a big hug and say she loves me too.

I was loud.

She had to cover her ears in fact.

I was shouting...

But not SCREAMING!

Imagine someone SHOUTING "I love you" in your head, and then imagine them SCREAMING (in screamo voice) "I love you"

Not the same thing is it?

Has nothing to do with decibel levels.



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NO NO I wasnt being sarcastic ,see how easy it is to misinterpret.
I just think that style of music is not doing any favors to such great lyrics. just like ryky is not doing any justice to Little Wing , great recording and musical talent but the point just doesnt come across to match what could be.

I don't know what else to say...I'm tired of defending myself constantly on Bandmix. I've been here for 2 years, and I thought I had made some good acquaintances, but then, one day, everyone turns on me at once.

This whole day, not only on Bandmix, and not even on the internet, everyones been against me. I think I need to go to bed.

If I'm going to perform this style of music, isn't it better to be on stage screaming for Jesus than yelling about murder and anger?

That is a game of degrees.

Dangerous territory, character-wise.

What if I said... "Isn't it better that I am screaming in my kids faces all day, rather than hitting them?"

Why do we have to play with degrees. Isn't that merely justification?

You are speaking as if EVERYTHING can be done "in the name of Jesus" and be appropriate then, because of it. Yet, some things are NEVER going to work as "praise" for God or in celebration of Love. Can pedophilia or beastiality be done for Jesus, in His name, in praise of Him?

Maybe satanic-style screaming can't either?

Could you see Jesus doing it?

Maybe as a joke, or to make a point about evil.

But could you see Jesus praising God in Heaven with screaming and wide-eyed head shaking?

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Once again, why does it matter to you? How am I affecting your life? Let me enjoy the one thing I love.

Craig ,we should start a radio show,If we can get one persn to hate us this quickly imagine if we reach out to 300 million.
They are gonna miss us here but oh well ,, the price of fame

I don't know what else to say...I'm tired of defending myself constantly on Bandmix. I've been here for 2 years, and I thought I had made some good acquaintances, but then, one day, everyone turns on me at once.

This whole day, not only on Bandmix, and not even on the internet, everyones been against me. I think I need to go to bed.

LOL

Everyone's not against you. You have many fans here.

But Glen's point, is essentially one of my main points. The words are wasted by being screamed. If the words are somber and serious, then they should be complimented by music that enhances that feeling or attitude.

Think of movies. They are made the way they are for a reason. For greatest maximum emotional impact.

Think of a horror movie, and someone is walking through a house toward a closet, and we are following them in the theater, a point of view angle, as if WE are walking through the house to that same closet. What is the background music like? Is it fluffy, or is it ominous. Think of the two notes from the Jaws movie, that goes back and forth, ominous sounding, and WE KNOW that Jaws is near and about to pounce. We are actually more scared, because the music is enhancing the experience, it is BUILDING the anticipation in us, so then the effect is even greater in us emotionally, because of the big build up. Why does music have this affect on us? It is touching something DEEP and even PRIMITIVE in us. Something in ALL of us, which is why it works on ALL of us (if our brains are functioning correctly)

The music ALONE could not have this effect, unless what I am saying were true, that emotions are illicited by certain things, NO MATTER HOW we try and reframe them.

Jaws music, or that screeching Psycho shower scene music, will never seem right to us, in an intimate love scene between two lovers. There is a reason for this.

Certain tones or behaviors illicit certain emotions in us.

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Craig ,we should start a radio show,If we can get one persn to hate us this quickly imagine if we reach out to 300 million.
They are gonna miss us here but oh well ,, the price of fame

LMFAO!!!!!!!!

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Metal can express a wide range of emotions. But your theory is, if it's loud, it must be angry.

You're missing half the equation Ryan. And it's because you're looking at this from an egocentric point of view, not considering anything else; you're not considering your audience's reaction to what you're doing.

Communication (verbal, nonverbal, literary, telepathy, etc.) requires two parties. It requires the sender and the receiver. And each may (and probably will) feel something different.

What you're not taking into account is how people receive your vocals.

There's an old saying: sometimes it's not what you say that counts, but how you say it that matters.

You need to realize that. That's all.

There are people who are big fans of your style of vocal work. I do not know what they get out of it, because my brain cells are not wired in a way that can enjoy that style of music. But some people's brain cells are wired to enjoy that stuff, and certainly your brain is wired that way. And so I say, good for you - if you like it, do it.

But don't expect everyone who listens to it to "FEEL" the same way as you do, despite whatever you may feel as you perform.


Some people "Feel" ecstasy while being beaten by a beautiful woman with a whip. Other people only feel pain. You, as the person with the whip, need to understand that not all people are going to receive your beatings with the same enthusiasm.