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#88204 by jimmydanger
Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:17 pm
Come on guys, things have improved considerably in a year:

* Existing home sales jumped almost ten percent last month

* Companies are starting to be profitable again. http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/21475044/detail.html

* 650k jobs have been created in the last year, a drop in the bucket compared to how many have been lost but a start. http://www.clickondetroit.com/money/214 ... etail.html

* the stock market jumped 200 points yesterday on favorable economic indicators. My IRA has gone up 20k in the last year.

If you aren't busy you need to get your skills updated. You must have something to offer if you want success.

#88205 by philbymon
Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:23 pm
Yes, companies are profitting a bit.

650K jobs? Where? Are they TEMP jobs? Cuz even those are rare around here!

Home sales haven't increased much around here, & home repairs & improvements, from what I've seen, have actually DEcreased.

Retail sales are still down, as well, are they not?

#88208 by jimmydanger
Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:52 pm
Absolutely Phil, we ain't out of the woods yet. But you can see a little daylight filtering in through the trees.

Just to put everything in perspective:

Some old neighbors worked at GM for 32 years and took the buyout last year. Things did not go well for them financially and they were about to lose their house. The husband was so depressed he killed his wife and then himself.

The lesson? No matter how bad you think you've got it, someone else is in worse shape. So count your lucky stars for what you have and remember, it's only stuff and you can get more. But you can't get another chance at life.

#88212 by gbheil
Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:30 pm
Yes I see some growth as well. All of the local hospitals are building and adding employees. However the "market value" of an RN in East Texas is %30 - %40 less than say Dallas Houston or Austin areas. And has remained fairly consistant for the last 10 years. Yes I could relocate, and they would even pay me to do so. Hell I could have gone to California last week for the offered $45.00 per hour plus bonus. Or Illinois for $50.00 /hr. But it I'll be a cold day in hell before I strike scab my fellow nurses.

#88217 by CraigMaxim
Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:02 pm
Dessalines wrote:
How did we get here? It would be decidedly worse if the party of NO was still running things as they essentially were one short year ago. Your memory is either very short or this is your usual schtick and I assume the latter as opposed to the former.


My opinions aren't "schtick" (Why start with an insult? I didn't insult you.) They are opinions, nothing more. You can agree or disagree, but why start off with personal insults?

How did we get here?

A combination of factors. Some that the Bushies were responsible for, and others that the Dems in congress were responsible for. Let's recall after all, that Congress controls the budget and therefore is usually more responsible for what occurs domestically than the President is. But since both President and Congress are currently controlled by the same party (Thankfully, not the norm in America) then Obama basically writes his own check, and so gets alot of the blame for our current condition.

As to where it started, well, clearly Bush ran up deficits to pay for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but the current crisis was precipitated by the mortgage collapse. What happened with that? Groups like ACORN pressured banks to make loans to non-loan-worthy people living in poor areas. That part was all Democrats. And because the lending rates were so low, MANY MANY people bit off more than they could afford, and moved into homes well above their means. So it was a combination of factors in play, of which, even us, the American people, are responsible.

My point, is simply that Obamanomics has now TRIPLED the debt we had under Bush. TRIPLED IT WITHOUT HIS FOLLOWERS BLINKING AN EYE!!!!

How ANYONE could believe that TRIPLING the deficit could IMPROVE the economy is beyond me.

Dessalines wrote:You use a quote from the Vietnam era to sort of bolster your point and I do mean sort of.


That statement doesn't bolster my argument. It is merely a literary device called "hyperbole" or exaggeration for effect.

Dessalines wrote: Did you serve your nation?


No military service for me. But many of the men in my family served. My grandfather served in WWI and others were in WWII, Korea, Vietnam. Have an uncle who was a Captain in the Navy and was actually brought into the Pentagon when Carter was planning the hostage rescue, because of his expertise in helicopters. He recommended against the mission, saying it would fail for any of 3 potential reasons. They thanked him and told him "We won't be needing you for this mission." to which he responded "Yes sir" and left the Pentagon. Later, ALL THREE of the things he warned them "could" go wrong, in fact "did" go wrong, and the helicopters went down in the desert, and Carter sadly got yet another black eye during his administration. I have a brother-in-law who was serving in Iraq until he got seriously injured (motorcycle at home, oddly enough) and is on disability now.

Point is, I have the greatest respect for the men and women who serve our country. Even the dumbass that made the comment I quoted. :-)

.

#88266 by Chippy
Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:17 am
I agree with a lot of what you say Jimmy. However there is no climb back to security. Once this happens the jobs that are lost often don't return to those who had them.

Stocks? I have no faith in the stock system, that is what brought us to this point wasn't it?


jimmydanger wrote:* the stock market jumped 200 points yesterday on favorable economic indicators. My IRA has gone up 20k in the last year.

#88284 by CraigMaxim
Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:34 pm
jimmydanger wrote:* Existing home sales jumped almost ten percent last month


What percentage went into foreclosure though? And how many of those sales were investors buying foreclosures, because the market had tanked and the homes were steals?

jimmydanger wrote:* Companies are starting to be profitable again. http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/21475044/detail.html


This is inevitable bro, because they have CUT JOBS and CLOSED STORES and CUT OVERHEAD. This is good for the company but NOT the work force. Because SOME profits have returned does not immediately equate to renewed expansion. They will be leery of expansion in this kind of economy, when they just now cut back and closed all those stores. You won't see those jobs coming back for a while.

jimmydanger wrote:* 650k jobs have been created in the last year, a drop in the bucket compared to how many have been lost but a start. http://www.clickondetroit.com/money/214 ... etail.html


This is also misleading. And in Obamaspeak, these are jobs that have been SAVED "or" created, not just created. Every reliable economist I have read about this report, whether liberal or conservative, say this is bogus math, because there is NO WAY to really know whether a job was really "saved" or not in most cases. And also, it is possible that the jobs were coounted 3 times in some cases. When the same company has 3 contracts from the government, and will use the SAME workers on each back-to-back project, the Obamites will count all three as if they were different workers.

And you are right. Jobs are still being LOST and not a net gain realized. It's like saying "Thank you! I was burning to death at the rate of 1 inch per minute... and now I am only burning to death at the rate of 1/4 inch per minute!" - I'm still burning to death... just more slowly. :-)

jimmydanger wrote:* the stock market jumped 200 points yesterday on favorable economic indicators. My IRA has gone up 20k in the last year.


Once again, this is inevitable. The recession has lasted two years now, and the stocks TANKED. They SHOULD rally and rebound some, when they get that low. But losing 50% of the value of investments and then getting 15% of that back, is still a NET LOSS, and not praiseworthy: "Hey look, stocks have risen 15% under Obama!" - Sure, after they lost 25% under him first.

I have a feeling that more will be recovered. It is inevitable that there will be a temporary injection for the economy when half a trillion dollars is pumped into it. There is another half a trillion to go, so things will rise TEMPORARILY once more, through part of next year, but then what?

It is like me giving my child $50 to spend.

Great.

He may spend it in a day, or take a week to do it. But when he has spent it, then what? He is back to the same situation. Spending borrowed money DOES NOT create BUSINESSES. It reallocates AMERICAN TAXPAYER'S MONEY to pay for someone to work on a road for 3 to 6 months. We are paying for a worker to have a job for a few months. We are not building NEW BUSINESSES. So when the money is spent. What replaces that?

Nothing. Cause the government gets money from OUR TAXES. The government is NOT A BUSINESS that can CREATE WEALTH. It can only TAKE our money.

The American people have subsidized temporary jobs for OTHER PEOPLE and also subsidized that rabidly liberal agenda of the most socialistic of Democratic lawmakers. It's like the government going through our homes and stealing everything we have, and then spending it on whimsical desires of their own. Why shouldn't they? They didn't earn that money did they? They stole it. It's Sooooo easy to piddle away money that YOU didn't have to work for.

They have NO CLUE to what makes businesses successful. They are usually NOT businessmen. They are career politicians. They don't know how to run a businesses, or how to create wealth. They only know GOVERNMENT giveaways and handouts. But it is OUR MONEY that the government is giving away and handing out.

This is a recipe for disaster. It is like WAR. Countries fare well DURING war, cause they are borrowing money and everyone is working and factories are producing. But AFTER the wars, bad times come, because those debts become due, and there is a big crash when that reality sets back in. You cannot be in a state of war forever and you cannot borrow money forever. It is BUSINESSES that CREATE JOBS that are sustainable, and when you punish businesses, they WILL NOT RISK what little profits the government lets them keep, in order to expand and create MORE jobs. It is simply not enough disposable cash available, to risk all the overhead involved with opening a new store or location.

Obamanomics policies are BAD for businesses, and BAD for growth, and BAD for the economy. Spending billions on roads will last a number of months. The roads get built and then what? More borrowing? China doesn't want to hold any more of our debt.

You cannot punish businesses for being successful. You cannot punish wealthy people for having wealth. It is DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED to the goals we want to instill in others. Work harder and save more and what happens? The government will take MORE of what you have. Is that a goal which will inspire greater work and sacrifice in potential entrepeneurs? Hell no. That makes me NOT want to work toward more wealth. Cause I won't be able to ENJOY or PASS DOWN TO MY CHILDREN that wealth. The government is just going to take it from me, and pass it out to the lazy among us, who prefer STEALING to hard work and responsibility.

What is wrong with Americans today?

They have forgotten the values of hard work and savings and planning for their futures. It is NOT a wealthy person's fault that they may have scrimped and saved to build a business, and you didn't. It is not an educated person's fault that they went to college and you didn't. Stop trying to STEAL the fruit of the responsibility of others, to make up for the fact that you spent your money on parties and movies and car loans and everything else, rather than sacrificing for 5 or 10 years to have a better life, and one that would provide security for the rest of your life.

I have to work.

My wife has to work.

My mother, who is now in her 60's has to work.

It is not Bush's fault that we didn't prepare for retirement and make better and more sound financial choices.

That was OUR FAULT.

No one else's.

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#88311 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:18 pm
AMEN.

#88312 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:22 pm
Jimmy start thinking and use your ears for Music, Other than that you are listening to to much doo doo.LONG LIVE RAP. yeah right. :lol:

#88323 by CraigMaxim
Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:23 am
Jimmy just wants to be hopeful.

I wish I could be too.

But I know how misleading those figures are, and no matter what gets preached from the Washington D.C. elite, I've seen the stories posted here. I know what my friends, family and myself are enduring as well. Manipulated statistics, is not bringing gas money to Bob's band members to get to practices. Those stats have not allowed Kramer to indulge himself again with coffee that has cream and sugar. Very few normal American's lives have improved, and no one is as secure as they were BEFORE the recession started.

Do these politicians even realize how bad off so many of us are? Do they realize, how much, people like Kramer have had to cut back just to survive?

I see more "for rent" and "for sale" signs on the streets I drive, than I EVER recall seeing before. Has anyone else noticed the same thing?

Things are pretty BAD.

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#88448 by philbymon
Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:48 pm
Damn but I'm a frikken idjit!

Was planning to go to the doc about my ears, which kept me awake for most of the night - again! for the 4th night in a row - but I forgot to get some cash from my wife this morning, & I'm almost outta gas...

Of course, if I'd been able to work last week, I'd have the cash to get the gas to get the meds or whatever to get it all done.

The left one has also gotten pretty filled with fluid, & my wife is a "low talker" so it's rather hard to have a decent convo...my life has become a comedy routine of my saying "what" every time she opens her mouth, which totally pisses her off.

One thing I've noticed, though - each of my ears filled with fluid almost immediately after I drank milk. Guess I'll hafta quit that until I know more...

At least I know I'm alive, cuz I can hear my heartbeat! (along with a gazillion cicadas buzzing in my headbone, pulsing & pulsing all frikken night long!) but can't hear much else right now...

#88581 by gbheil
Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:22 am
Dude, the nurse said CARRY YO ASS TO THE DOCTOR !!!!
Ear and oral infections can go to your brain bone and make you take an unscheduled dirt nap.
You got too much family depending on you to be so freakin stubborn. :twisted:

#88583 by philbymon
Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:32 am
Eh...I'll go tomorrow...but I just want it on record that I ain't happy about it!

Still...I need to get this crap straightened out by Nov 13th, cuz I gots a solo gig, &, well, the guys are expecting me to be there this weekend to try out that new guitarist, too.

I'm also getting pretty sick & tired of bein' sick & tired...

#88585 by gbheil
Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:38 am
Just FYI.
Lactose in milk products greatly increases the production and viscosity of mucous. Milk = more snot.

#88588 by philbymon
Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:45 am
I heard that somewhere, back when my ears worked...thanks sans!

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