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#85772 by philbymon
Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:04 am
Purists hate me, bob. I couldn't agree more.

#85806 by Starfish Scott
Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:14 pm
Bob said it the best..

#85820 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:45 pm
1,4,5, try 6,or 7, then you'll hear a woman sing the blues when you leave in the morning. Go for it Li'll man and don't forget your MIDOL.

LOL
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LOL......

#85821 by Starfish Scott
Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:58 pm
Nah sorry, playing with the circle of 5ths tonight.

You know what that is right?

#85822 by philbymon
Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:05 am
9 bottles of rum on the floor, in a circle, with you in the middle, right?

#85827 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:11 am
NAAAAH , Circle of 5ths to some people is just a bunch of kids finding out that thing between their legs can be used for other things too. Whomever replies to this if the shoe fits,,,,, just hit your self over the head because you are too stupid to waste a good shoe over, Go take a MIDOL, Sit down, and start being a Li'll man.

LOL.
LOL.
LOL.
SPACE, YOU ARE OUT THERE.

#85884 by Starfish Scott
Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:57 pm
LOL Glen, you are a funny guy.

I surmise that your visage is even funnier since the closest thing to your pic is the dog or the chick.

Take your pic and then use a Kleenex, Glen.

Philby, I don't drink but if I had to play for some of these douche bags that don't know even the simplest form of theory, I might start. Yep, and drink heavily.

#85906 by Chippy
Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:56 pm
Not trying to be pedantic or anything but how do singers without a score sheet and an instrument work about this?

Theory in a field of barley won't help a singer much on a summers day, only what they remember of it. I realize this is Chords based and algorithms based on them and around frets of course.

A fab guitarist told me a few years ago that I probably would create some odd stuff because I wasn't bound by the rules. I don't know if he knew what he was talking about or indeed if he even considered what he had said before speaking?

It did make me think however.

#85911 by Starfish Scott
Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:36 pm
Chippy, it's a really easy idea.

In a nutshell, it's the idea that whatever key you are playing in, the 1st- the 4th and the 5th step in the scale is the basis of blues music/rock/etc.

AS in..

If you are in "E", you count up e=1, f=2, g=3, a=4, b=5, c=6, d=7, and the octave above of 8=e.

Depending on what you are playing, it can be as easy as identifying the first note you play.

If it's an "F", F=1, g=2, a=3, b=4, c=5, d=6, e=7 and the octave above f=8.

8 steps in a scale, sometimes less. Pentatonic Scales are scales of 5 tones. (penta= 5)

All the old blues is in 1-4-5, even if you do not realize it.

You take a 12 bar blues pattern and adhere the 1-4-5 to it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-bar_blues

1-4-5 also equals I-IV-V, they are just using a roman numeral to designate this.

IF YOU ARE A SINGER and you know you are singing in "A" or your first note is "A", you could then ascertain that the backbone (bass part?) of a blues type sound could be 1-4-5 or A=1, D=4 and E=5.

I don't think anyone plays it like this, without variation. The variation is understood else it would be oversimplified when you play the piece.

Here's another article that further defines it.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_1-4-5_Progression

So you take your 1-4-5 method,
Pentonic Minor/Major scales minimum,
The open B7 style chord, with reference to the e,d and a positions
and you basically have the keys to the basic blues.

The 1-4-5 that you hear is in the background and is like a rhythm guy asking a lead where he/she is going next and having them actually call out a chord. It gives you a very good idea of where everything is going next, regardless of whether or not you actually know.

When you play with other people you never played with before, it really is an advantage. When you see people playing well within a group and they suddenly lose it during during the midst, chances are someone doesn't know this little tidbit.

I know a bassist that performs ok, but when faced with a new guitarist he is very adept because even before the guitarist goes off on some f**k up tangent that leaves everyone else lost, this guy is figuring where the tune is going to end up as in WHAT NOTE WILL BE PREVALENT at the end.

For this reason, everyone wants to play with him. He is a master of improvisation and in reality, he is what I call "no frills" or "the MSB brand of bass players" as he isn't terribly talented, but his theory is SPOT ON!~

#85919 by Chippy
Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:45 pm
Thanks Cap'n.
Yeah NOW I understand It.

When you play with other people you never played with before, it really is an advantage. When you see people playing well within a group and they suddenly lose it during during the midst, chances are someone doesn't know this little tidbit.


Yup been there with some. But how does this work in other styles, say just a basic non blues format?

My Mentor was very good, I had a few of them in fact. All of them mostly slapped their heads LOL! Now this has every chance of being a fantastic thread! The teaching and the taming of Chippy. :D

Yah already know it aint gonna happen right :D

Very good post in all seriousness Cap'n. You made it very clear and precise. Are you a teacher?

#85926 by ratsass
Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:00 pm
Capt. Scott wrote:If you are in "E", you count up e=1, f=2, g=3, a=4, b=5, c=6, d=7, and the octave above of 8=e.

Depending on what you are playing, it can be as easy as identifying the first note you play.

If it's an "F", F=1, g=2, a=3, b=4, c=5, d=6, e=7 and the octave above f=8.

Not quite so, Capt. You have to go in whole and half steps to be accurate.
W W H W W W H
which would make E, F#, G#, A, B, C#, D#, back to E and F would go
F, G, A, A#, C, D, E, F
I know you already knew this, but typed before ya thought. Don't need to be confusing Chippy, now do we? :)

#85938 by Chippy
Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:41 pm
:cry:

Yah don't confuse my brain. It belongs in a bottle in any case. Did I say case?

#85940 by WeBeJamn
Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:11 pm
Yea I get it. Or, I thought I did. This thread has given me a new and little different perspective though. Good stuff!

#85945 by sanshouheil
Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:58 pm
Yo, put up some audio Paul !!

#85948 by WeBeJamn
Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:51 pm
I've put up a couple short clips that I had up before and took down 'cause I thought they were too meh.

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