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Because in so doing, you can't call it (Creation is a myth) a fact, which is what you continue to do. [/quote]


You are misquoting or misunderstanding me.

Creation is not a myth.

Creation in 6 LITERAL DAYS is a myth.

Please don't confuse these two.

God is Creator, and he creates OVER TIME. He blesses us with childbirth, and this process takes 9 months. 9 MONTHS.

Evolution is God's creative tool. There are instructions and a life force within subatomic particles, atoms, molecules and matter. Higher and higher life forms and greater complex unions, from the smallest of origins.

I see it as BEAUTIFUL that God created the Cosmos over BILLIONS of years, rather than snapping His fingers. He was INVESTED in His creation. Like our own spiritual growth, it doesn't occur instantaneously, it takes effort, and work and time. God spent BILLIONS of years, creating a physical environment for His children to dwell in. This is not only spiritual to me, it is beautiful, and it is awe inspiring. How much love did he invest, in preparing for His children over BILLIONS of years of time? Human children are lucky if their parents even read a single book on child development before having a baby. Maybe someone paints a room and prepares a crib, and some baby toys. God was so in love with the THOUGHT of us, that He invested His heart FULLY, and labored meticulously over Billions of years, to prepare the perfect environment, both for dwelling in, but also for future generations to expand into the Cosmos, as well as to blow our minds with the awesome size of, and complexity and beauty of, this magnificent Cosmos.

And aside from all this...

I think part of the problem here, is that you have a negative view of the term "mythology". You seem to take it as "Something made up" or even "a lie", a fanciful but untrue tale.

Myth is deeper and more powerful than that.

Mythology is deeply rooted in the human psyche and very powerful. If you've studied Carl Jung, you understand the powerful nature of things like mythology, and the archetypes contained within their stories.

Myth is not as simple as "A made up story"

Myth generally contains anecdotes and lessons, that "ARE" truthful, and often based even in some historical truth.

There is TRUTH and MORAL LESSONS to be gleaned from ancient myths.

Jesus himself taught in parables. Parables are stories used to teach some moral lesson. They are not real events. They are stories made up in such a way, that all the listening audience can understand and relate to them.

Was primitive man ready to pass down stories about subatomic particles, and what DNA is, and how gravity functions so they would understand how the planets and satellites revolve around one another without hitting each other?

Until science and technology and the brain mass of mankind caught up, there was no getting into the details of "HOW" God literally creates. Now science is beginning to uncover this. Only now.

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Because in so doing, you can't call it (Creation is a myth) a fact, which is what you continue to do.

You are misquoting or misunderstanding me.

Creation is not a myth.

Creation in 6 LITERAL DAYS is a myth.

Please don't confuse these two.

You quoted my first sentence, but the very second sentence specified 6-day creation. I'm not going to belabor this any longer as I think I've been clear on my point that I don't take issue with believing whatever you want to believe - my issue is presenting it as fact, when the very nature of a historical claim leaves room for alternative explanations. Just insert the phrase "in my opinion" above everything you post, and it won't be an issue.

regards,
Chris

LMAO

Chris4Blues lobs a squirrel sandwich into the crowd, then runs

ROFL!!!

Chris is right Craig. Since you aren't using the bible as your proof you need to say "in my opinion." As opposed to - according to the bible the earth was created in 6 days. You really don't have a leg to stand on if you are arguing for Christianity because you don't trust the bible's completeness or accuracy.

I think it's more impressive that he slung out the cosmos in an instant. It looks like you are placing limits on God again Craig.

I love this!

"Can we drop it now?

I tried my best, and I failed"

"It's my heart's belief, that other people are like me. Not enslaved to tradition, and open to God's voice, even when it means admitting previous positions were wrong.

I have had to do this many times in life.

It's how I grow.

It's how I find the best possible position."

"And I am trashed because everyone realizes how convincing just the "rainbow argument" alone is. But, rather than having the effect intended... LIBERATING people from a fallacious belief, instead I am seen as crushing people's faith, as if fallacious beliefs should be a sacred cow, and everyone feels sorry for this.

"They were happy with their primitive beliefs... so what if they think the world is flat? They're happy believing that. Leave them alone."

I get it."

"Sadly, I have not liberated anyone's heart here however."

"We all understand each other.

We won't change each other's heart, or improve each other's condition.

Because I have failed. It's obvious I wasted my efforts, and I admit, that I made a big mistake.

I apologize for all the ruffled feathers."

That was all in the same post, in that order. And in the very next post, ALSO by Glutes, he goes on to continue the discussion.

I don't really think that we DO all understand each other, Glutes. It's also patently obvious that you canNOT "drop it now."

And THAT, Glutes, is why you "suck," as you most succinctly put it. It's perfectly okay to HAVE an opinion as long as you don't drive ppl crazy with it as if it were the most important thing in the world...like your ego...

I don't dislike you because you are most often right. I dislike you because you think you are so much more important than everyone & anything else, & will continuously drive your points home with all of your religious zeal, unending droning, & eventually you always resort to insult until I want to just do something drastic to ya. THAT's why you "suck."

In your last post, you have said NOTHING NEW!!!! So why bother us with your endless opinionated rant, Glutes?

Cuz you're a boring. self-involved person with none of those "off" buttons that he SHOULD have in his head to tell him when he's lost his audience.

Do you act like this on stage, Glutes? Do you stay & keep playing the same old song until everyone has left? That's what you're doing in here, ya buffoon.

Now - go GROW, Glutes!

Chris4Blues lobs a squirrel sandwich into the crowd, then runs

ROFL!!!

God .. I can't come to a food fight with popcorn!!!!! ... Ron steps in to the kitchen ... "Chris I'll see your squirrel sandwich and raise you a CREAM PIE" ... lobs that into the crowd and ducks and covers (oh sorry .. this is a armageddon nuke fight ... right????

only food weapons that are biblical would be loaves and fishes

I'm just waiting for the good Rev to return & change the name of this thread to "Rev Mike's REVENGE!!!"

Muahahahahaha!

I found it quite amusing that I was the only one who answered his post about his juvie thingie. That says a whole lot about how many ppl in here are into Glutes, doesn't it? He sees his popularity crumbling again, so he'll prolly turn up the pressure until we gather together & gang up on him, & then he'll claim that I've poisoned everyone's mind against him

Phil,

There is no "juvie thingy".

My family is enduring a living hell right now. My wife's sons, who are basically really good kids, with good hearts, made a simple mistake. They didn't rob a bank. They didn't steal anything. They didn't commit a violent act.

They made a simple mistake.

Because of Adam Walsh type laws however. The oldest one, may be gone for 5 YEARS. He may not get out until he is almost 20 years old. His offense occurred when he was still 13.

The juvenile system is MUCH harsher than the adult courts.

Because it took a year to take this to trial and get him placed, He will actually serve 6 years. Because unlike adult court, they do not give juveniles "time served".

You can call me whatever you want. But DO NOT politicize my wife's loss of her sons. It has made her life a living hell. And mine is not much better.

Because I saw how unjust the juvenile system is. I decided to do something to help, not only my boys, but all the other parents going through a similar nightmare.

I formed a Juvenile Advocacy group to create some power and pressure behind my efforts. It is only 3 months old, and I have already been in contact with the Governor's office in Georgia. Had their legal department send me federal documents relating to Georgia being released from Federal Oversight of their juvenile justice system, which had remained for something like 7 years, because the juvenile justice system is so corrupt and harsh, that federal oversight was required to hep correct it.

I succeeded in getting my step son moved out of the WORST facility in Georgia, and into the BEST ONE. I was told this was impossible. But I succeeded in getting it done.

I also exposed some serious criminal misdeeds by guards in that worst facility, which resulted in an investigation by several various departments of the juvenile justice system, with several heads of the agency going themselves in person to interview guards and "students" there.

Less than a month later, that facitlity was shut down permanently.

My advocacy group is also now listed as a cooperative group with JustGeorgia, which is the largest well financed juvenile advocacy group in Georgia, with law makers, including a Senator here, on their side. They are working to change some of these harsh laws in Georgia, and my group is now partnering with them.

I would call this kind of result, in less than 3 months time, an unqualified success. And it is only the beginning of what I plan to bring about, to help abused kids and their families, and to help fix a corrupt system.

This has NOTHING to do with ego. And EVERYTHING to do with helping my boys and other families, and especially to comfort my wife, that being moral, even in the worst of circumstances, is ALWAYS the right thing to do.

It is a trial on our marriage and on our family, that I would not wish on ANYONE!

What have you accomplished in life? What have you really laid on the line for the sake of others? If you want to bring everyone in life down to your level, it is certainly your choice to live that way. But it will NEVER bring you the happiness you are missing, and will only harm those WHO ARE trying to accomplish good in the world, and make it a better, fairer and more decent place.

Some people care enough to sacrifice their lives to change things.

If you aren't one of those, fine.

But you will suffer miserably, as long as you use your energies to bring down those who ARE willing to sacrifice for others. And put everything they have on the line to do so.

Look into your heart sometime.

To use a tragedy in a family, for your own personal gratification, is sleazy and slimy. And shows how little character you have.

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Juvenile systems are actually both ways Craig. They are not balanced in law, for sure, but a juvenile can commit a murder and get out at 21, in adult court they don't have that. I agree, time served should apply to them to, but wasn't this the RELIGION topic? Shouldn't this be saved for somewhere else?

you all seem to be fighting adamantly for your own beliefs, why cant you all just agree that we will all find out when we die?

Ah, he resorts to "character" again!

Listen, ya boob - I didn't bother to check out your post, so I had no idea what it was about. Therefore, I did NOT use your personal tragedy to my advantage in our discussion.

Once again, your "logic" is flawed by your ego - you're so convinced that I would act like you that you accuse me of it.

That ain't what happened, Glutes.

What happened is that you took this chance to spout your political agenda in here, instead of leaving it where it was.

I'm not going to try to "one-up" you on deeds, mostly because I find most of the ones you claim to be so much BS. I don't believe much of anything you have to say.

Take your oh-so-fragile ego & move on, please.

I've lost all interest in you, &, unfortunately, my interest in your family problems goes out with the bath water. If you weren't such an ass, maybe you'd find that sympathy you seem to so desparately need right now. As things stand, I really don't care at all beyond adding this - it's a damned shame, Craig.

Sorry, but that's the best I can dredge up for you. I think you have more than enough attention span for you & your troubles, that you don't really need mine.

If that seems harsh, well, then I'm harsh. I'm just that done listening to you.

As far as I'm concerned, it's just karma talking to you. Perhaps you should listen.

Ah, he resorts to "character" again!

Listen, ya boob - I didn't bother to check out your post, so I had no idea what it was about. Therefore, I did NOT use your personal tragedy to my advantage in our discussion.

Once again, your "logic" is flawed by your ego - you're so convinced that I would act like you that you accuse me of it.

That ain't what happened, Glutes.

What happened is that you took this chance to spout your political agenda in here, instead of leaving it where it was.

I'm not going to try to "one-up" you on deeds, mostly because I find most of the ones you claim to be so much BS. I don't believe much of anything you have to say.

Take your oh-so-fragile ego & move on, please.

I've lost all interest in you, &, unfortunately, my interest in your family problems goes out with the bath water. If you weren't such an ass, maybe you'd find that sympathy you seem to so desparately need right now. As things stand, I really don't care at all beyond adding this - it's a damned shame, Craig.

Sorry, but that's the best I can dredge up for you. I think you have more than enough attention span for you & your troubles, that you don't really need mine.

If that seems harsh, well, then I'm harsh. I'm just that done listening to you.

As far as I'm concerned, it's just karma talking to you. Perhaps you should listen.

In all fairness, phil, you posted in the thread, and you commented that it was more about Craig, that implies to me that you read it. The fact that you didn't makes you as guilty as Craig for making unfair assumptions.

only food weapons that are biblical would be loaves and fishes

Don't forget Wine - and when that starts flying, Im breakin out my catcher's mit.

Only a few more pages and this thread will pass up the Introductions sticky page count. I'm on the edge of my seat.