General Music Chat

"You don't know my heart, so this is all hot air to you, but God DOES KNOW MY HEART. He trusts me. And I have proven to Him, over decades of time, that the trust is justified."

So you claim to know the mind of God? Is that not a sin?

"You don't know my heart, so this is all hot air to you, but God DOES KNOW MY HEART. He trusts me. And I have proven to Him, over decades of time, that the trust is justified."

So you claim to know the mind of God? Is that not a sin?

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God knows the heart of every human being on this Earth, and we know this because He says so in His Word.

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And just like divorcing her, I've deleted you from my myspace and facebook.

Oh gawd. And to think that we didn't even have a honeymoon.

I have lots of "friends" on there that I don't really know and will keep them.

Of course. How easy is that? There's nothing challenging you there.

But, now that I know you, I don't want any more to do with you, and it takes a lot to have that effect on me. So sorry you can't see yourself having that effect on so many others. You have cost yourself credibility with lots of people that could have been good friends, and pushed them away and you don't even know it.

Good friends? I could have had good friends if I kept my beliefs and concerns to myself?

Those wouldn't be friends.

I wouldn't ask that of anyone else, not matter what their viewpoint was. My worldview can handle scrutiny. If someone else's doesn't, then rather than crying or deleting me, they should alter their worldview and stop making it a sacred cow. I'm not afraid of someone expressing their worldview to me, and if I am shown a better way, I'll adopt it.

I believe that Christianity is in crisis. I believe that America is in crisis. I want to do something about it. You don't believe this, or you would understand my heart on the matter.

If I've lost friends here, they weren't really friends.

But when you see what's coming, then you'll understand my seriousness about it.

You won't have to wait long.

Some of it will start before this year is over.

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So, while I'm not opposed at all to musical instruments in church, I don't think Neanderpaul's church is wrong for not wanting that temptation in their services.

Muslims don't think it is wrong to cover their women from head to toe in cloth for the same reason. Some asians don't think it is wrong to bind the feet of their women, until they are deformed for the same reason. Some african cultures cut out a woman's clitoris for the same reason. All of these are designed to REMOVE TEMPTATION.

The answer is not looking at an inanimate object (musical instruments) as something wrong. If someone is playing out of vanity, that should be the responsibility of that individual and God, and maybe his Pastor, to recognize. Someone can sing just as vainly as they could play an instrument. Do you know how many people blame women themselves, for getting raped? Because they wore something TEMPTING.

Time to stop blaming the TEMPTOR and start holding the TEMPTED responsible for his own heart and his own actions.

Blaming musical instruments, or blaming music in church, or blaming women for getting raped...

Is any of that where the blame should really lay?

I don't know what you're thinking, harping on him about that. He's not saying, "I'm right and you're wrong." .

No, it's far worse than that.

The brand he belongs to is saying that THEY are right, and ALL THE REST OF CHRISTIANITY is wrong.

That's why they split from the other part of the Millerite Movement and started their own church brand.

The non instrument, and non committee church brand.

They are right and the REST OF CHRISTIANITY IS WRONG, otherwise they would have no need to form YET ANOTHER denomination of Christianity.

Poor Jesus.

One wonders just how many splits his church can bear, before it is so thinned out, that the pieces are just wisped away like strands of cotton in the air.

Imagine your family, and there is a rift. What usually happens? There are usually two sides, and some of the family falls on one side, and some on another, and there are the ones that try and stay out of it. Maybe there are at most, two to three sides. Now imagine your family splitting into 1000 pieces. 1000 sides generally finding discord and disagreement with 999 other sides.

Would a family be strengthened by being broken into 1000 pieces?

It is unlikely a religion will either.

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So you claim to know the mind of God? Is that not a sin?

God trusts me. I know He does. Why would it be a sin to say so?

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So.. I am adding by.... preventing adding? Doesn't add up does it?

Yeah Paul, it really does.

You have ADDED, a PROHIBITION. The Bible does not say that musical instruments should NOT be allowed in services, and yet you have an ABSOLUTE PROHIBITION against them. This is not up for debate in your church EVER. It is an absolute stand. It is not decided on a case by case basis. Just prohibited PERIOD!

You have ADDED a PROHIBITION that does not exist.


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"Why does one need humility...?"

And the Bronzed Bull-Pie Award for the Most Arrogant Reply Ever to appear in any forum goes to...







Oh, I'm so excited I can hardly open the envelope!











Craigius "Glutes" Maximus!!!! Let's hear it for him, folks!!!!

Give us a few words, Craig!

"Time to stop blaming the TEMPTOR and start holding the TEMPTED responsible for his own heart and his own actions."

We have been, Craig, but you can't hear anything but the sounds coming from your own head. STFU already ya spammer. We just don't wanna buy any more of your BS, bub. If this is how you woo ppl into your religion (which sounds less & less like christianity, btw) you are failing miserably. Look at the responses you've gotten. Are you really this stupid & vain?

"You don't know my heart, so this is all hot air to you, but God DOES KNOW MY HEART. He trusts me. And I have proven to Him, over decades of time, that the trust is justified."

So you claim to know the mind of God? Is that not a sin?

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God knows the heart of every human being on this Earth, and we know this because He says so in His Word.

Yes, Ryan, but to brag about how God trusts you seems a little over the top. Even Craig would hafta admit that, if any of the rest of us was so stupid & arrogant as to have said something like that about ourself.

But I guess he figures that if God hasn't struck him down yet, he's on the right path.




Pride comes before the fall, Craig. You're tumbling down like that meteor that everyone's so afraid of at nearly the speed of light.

In the future, please check your divinity at the door...

"If I've lost friends here, they weren't really friends." True. We thought we could be friends, but you misrepresented yourself, Craig.

"The brand he belongs to is saying that THEY are right, and ALL THE REST OF CHRISTIANITY is wrong." I don't recall Paul making that particular quote.

"Poor Jesus." Yeah. I feel bad for him every time I see that you've typed his name to bolster your vanity, Craig.

"God trusts me. I know He does. Why would it be a sin to say so?" The biggest sin of all is pride, Craig. You've said it yourself. All of us have tried to keep from making judgements about you, but you're own vanity pushes us all to the very limits of polite behavior (something you seem to know little about).

I maintain that you are a fraud, a false, self-proclaimed prophet. The proof is really childishly easy to extrapolate from your own words.

If you were sought out by all of those ppl for your visions & wisdom & vast knowledge & all that bull, how could you ever have time to be such a frikken bore o/l? How would you have the time to read all the news clips that you claim to read? All those books? Have your followers simply stopped coming, Craig?

If they have stopped, perhaps it's because they, too, have become bored to death & completely disenchanted by your vanity, the fallacies of your prophesies, your narcicism, your apparent schizophrenia, your assertions that only you can ever be correct in all things religious...or is it something more sinister, perhaps?

Just a pathetic, self-aggrandising fraud, Craig.

You've yet to give anyone in here anything of substance. I doubt that you can. You seem to have less real substance than a wisp of smoke.

So.. I am adding by.... preventing adding? Doesn't add up does it?

Yeah Paul, it really does.

You have ADDED, a PROHIBITION. The Bible does not say that musical instruments should NOT be allowed in services, and yet you have an ABSOLUTE PROHIBITION against them. This is not up for debate in your church EVER. It is an absolute stand. It is not decided on a case by case basis. Just prohibited PERIOD!

You have ADDED a PROHIBITION that does not exist.


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If the bible had to list everything that wasn't allowed how big would the bible be? Another way your thinking doesn't add up. God told us what we are to do. That is sufficient. You fight it and fight it but "it" is the bible. You're right it's not up for debate. Adding anything to the design of the church will never be permitted by anybody in the family. Because we are sound, grounded, and the church Christ started. If somebody adds anything and it causes a split then they are the ones who split. Say somebody decides to add burning a small animal to the Lord's supper. would that be ok with you? We know not to do that or anything else because God didn't ask for it.

Once again we added a don't add?

Nope doesn't make sense.

So you still are saying the bible is not the authority. That again is our impasse.

I don't know what you're thinking, harping on him about that. He's not saying, "I'm right and you're wrong." .

No, it's far worse than that.

The brand he belongs to is saying that THEY are right, and ALL THE REST OF CHRISTIANITY is wrong.

That's why they split from the other part of the Millerite Movement and started their own church brand.

The non instrument, and non committee church brand.

All of that Craig is a load.

first, instruments have nothing to do with temptation. They just are not the way we are told to worship.

Second, you never heard me say "we" are right and all of Christianity is wrong. That is just another common slander. Instead what you heard from me is scripture that tells us how God designed his worship. If the way you worship deviates from the way God told us to then make your own call. Is it pleasing? All i'm doing is sharing scripture.

They are right and the REST OF CHRISTIANITY IS WRONG, otherwise they would have no need to form YET ANOTHER denomination of Christianity.

Poor Jesus.

One wonders just how many splits his church can bear, before it is so thinned out, that the pieces are just wisped away like strands of cotton in the air.

You keep calling it "my church". I keep telling you I don't have a church. I am a Christian. No suffix or prefix. A member of the Church Christ bought with his blood. That is why it's called the Church of Christ. If we do not differ from God's design for his church then we have not divided - then we are not a denomination. We are simply Christians following Christ's new testament church.

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I don't know what you're thinking, harping on him about that. He's not saying, "I'm right and you're wrong." .

No, it's far worse than that.

The brand he belongs to is saying that THEY are right, and ALL THE REST OF CHRISTIANITY is wrong.

That's why they split from the other part of the Millerite Movement and started their own church brand.

The non instrument, and non committee church brand.

All of that Craig is a load.

first, instruments have nothing to do with temptation. They just are not the way we are told to worship.

Second, you never heard me say "we" are right and all of Christianity is wrong. That is just another common slander. Instead what you heard from me is scripture that tells us how God designed his worship. If the way you worship deviates from the way God told us to then make your own call. Is it pleasing? All i'm doing is sharing scripture.

They are right and the REST OF CHRISTIANITY IS WRONG, otherwise they would have no need to form YET ANOTHER denomination of Christianity.

Poor Jesus.

One wonders just how many splits his church can bear, before it is so thinned out, that the pieces are just wisped away like strands of cotton in the air.

You keep calling it "my church". I keep telling you I don't have a church. I am a Christian. No suffix or prefix. A member of the Church Christ bought with his blood. That is why it's called the Church of Christ. If we do not differ from God's design for his church then we have not divided - then we are not a denomination. We are simply Christians following Christ's new testament church.

Matthew 16:8

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

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Peter started the Catholic Church

No Peter did not start the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is not even in the bible.

The Catholic church was started by the Roman empire.

Matthew 16:18

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

The original language calls Peter pebble and the bedrock truth that the church is founded on is found a few verses earlier.

matt 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

The Church is founded on the fact that Christ is the son of the living God.

Why the f**k do you have to write a fing book on this horseshit?

Are you trying to scare people off with your religious rhetoric?

I am a christian and I cringe when I read this huge amount of utter horseshit.

The bible covers this pretty well and none of you are priests etc. You think you get extra milk and cookies for being loud and obnoxious about religion? I don't think so..

Talk the talk, pseudo-writers but make sure you can walk the walk, else you might be the next contestant on the godly game show and lemme tell ya, the host he doesn't like to f**k about with loud mouths and lemmings.

I think I just saw him strike one down recently and believe me, it wasn't pretty. You reap what you sow.

Before you throw too many more rocks, make sure you aren't living in a glass house.