General Music Chat

another peeve...

Every TV show or movie you see where animals are "perceived" to be in harm's way, we get a caption at the end (or beginning) of the show that reads something like "No animals were harmed in the making of this..." blah blah blah.

So when I watch something like Law & Order, or NCIS, or even COPS, I see the same thing over and over and over:

Civil rights being trampled. Always framed under the guise that everyone just knows the guy did it, but nobody can prove it unless some civil rights are swept under the carpet.

The biggest offender is the SVU episodes of Law & Order. They propagate the most horrible and disturbing crimes, against children no less, let the viewer be privy to details the jury isn't, and then proceed to show you how these insanely clever criminals and defense lawyers circumvent the system. Like that's ever how it really happens. I've seen tons of local cases in the papers with the flimsiest of evidence get prosecuted in record time just because americans have been brainwashed into thinking it's okay to jail someone if you think they touch kids. Not whether anyone can prove it, or in many cases, that no kid even existed...

Back in SVU-Land, McCoy sweeps in to save the day, convincing a judge to "overlook" that lack of warrant, or the hundreds of illegal entries the cops partake in, etc...

NEVER have I seen a warning that "The civil rights seen harmed in the making of this motion picture" were not actually violated.

Now, I understand ... They always say at the beginning that it's not a true story... meaning the actual crime is just based off other real ones.. but do they ever state that the actual civil rights were or weren't raped worse than the (fake) victim of the show?

This bothers me a lot, just because of the fact that more and more often, I'm hearing about juries that are convicting, even though evidence is tainted, circumstantial, and civil rights had been violated.

For ever innocent person proven innocent through DNA, or later acquitted... there was a civil rights violation (many by juries).

And the judges who allow it to happen

Enough about that!

Oh.. this stems from that topic about prisons...

and why the per capita population of incarcerated Americans has doubled in the last 25 years.

I plan on eating one just shortly.
Animal that is, not prison.
It may hurt it............a little.

Sorry BOLLOCKS!
What rights do animals have here? I see dogs in coats, funny hats while I see dead cats on the street in increasing numbers. WHY? Because people don't care about animals unless it's a dog over here.

Back in Britain where we are called "a nation of animal lovers". This is true too. You cannot kill anything pretty much.

The reason?

Is because many moons ago and just like you we hunted and killed off anything that was supposed to be a nuisance. Nowadays there is not much that will come near human folk.

Soon..............

It will be the same here because trust is lost.
Sorry Kramer. Nothing against you at all. This just touched the most potent part of my being. WE ARE ALL IMPORTANT.

Keep well.
Chippy.

I watch Law & Order: SVU and the regular Law & Order regularly. I've never seen what you've described Kramer. When the cops do something that skirts the law (your warrant issue, for example) they get nailed for it (judge throws out the evidence, dismisses the case, the cops have to start over, they get royally chewed out, put on administrative leave, etc). The show is very unforgiving of police officers who try and bend the rules, and that's been one of it's good points (maybe you're thinking of "The Shield")



But moreover, your comparison is totally invalid. Television characters are FICTION. Everyone knows it's a fake show; you can't violate the civil liberties of a fake being. But the animals that get used in television shows are REAL, and people want to know that they weren't hurt. It's a reasonable thing to do, to put a disclaimer in there.

If anything, it's a sad commentary that we have to put a disclaimer in there in the first place, because we don't do the same thing for humans, because it's ASSUMED that we didn't kill any people while filming. Imagine if you watched "Rambo" and learned that they used real bullets and people really were killed... That's a more valid comparison.

But everyone knows you'd have to be insane to use real bullets and kill real people just to make a TV show. Unfortunately, we can't say the same for animals, so we have to put a disclaimer on there to let people know that they weren't actually hurt.



But the bottom line is that you can't harm someone's civil liberties when they are a FIGMENT of a writer's IMAGINATION. It's like getting upset if you believe that Jason Bourne's civil rights were violated. He's a FICTIONAL CHARACTER for goodness sake.

Man... Like, direct your anger at something worth being angry about. Jeez.

I like animals.
Got a big fat cat sleeps beside my head. I get up at 3am to let her out the window to do her "cat stuff".
When she passes on (unless I go first) I'll cry like a baby.
I would also skin and eat her before I or my children went hungry one single day.
I like animals, cooked in many wonderous ways.
Boy cant wait for squirrel season, my wife makes a squirrel and noodle soup that is just awsome.
TV drama is BS. Leave it for the weak minded massses, just turn it off man.
You will live better without it.

But the bottom line is that you can't harm someone's civil liberties when they are a FIGMENT of a writer's IMAGINATION. It's like getting upset if you believe that Jason Bourne's civil rights were violated. He's a FICTIONAL CHARACTER for goodness sake.

Man... Like, direct your anger at something worth being angry about. Jeez.

Way to shoot the messenger and skip the message.

COPS, the REALITY show, show constant violations. So ... that's REAL, right? at least they say it is...

My real issue is this:

Everyone knows TV is fake, but at the same time, the TV also dictates current fashion, music, and social trends... Shows like SVU take REAL cases and change only minor facts. Yeah, in some episodes, they show the judge throwing the book at the cops or the DA, but not nearly as often as the DA and police are shown (and JUSTIFYING) total trampling.

Why it bothers me is this:

Have you ever argued about the civil rights of an accused pedophile? 9/10 people will call for them to die 900 different and painful ways before the trial even starts.

How about terrorists? It's a fact we now live in a black-bag society. That's been "legal" (although unconstitutional IMO) since 2003... Obama never reversed those boatloads of signing statements and never told congress to repeal the patriot act.

But anyways, back to the point -

It's become commonplace to see (on tv and in real life) people's rights get trampled, and much like TV violence, we (as a society) have become desensitized to it, and have grown lax and lazy in our acceptance of it.

Personally, I thought I lived in a country where people died to protect my rights, and now I'm watching everyone just accept theirs being taken, and in some cases people are just giving them away.

Yeah, like I said in the other thread, we're sick.

I like animals.
Got a big fat cat sleeps beside my head. I get up at 3am to let her out the window to do her "cat stuff".
When she passes on (unless I go first) I'll cry like a baby.
I would also skin and eat her before I or my children went hungry one single day.
I like animals, cooked in many wonderous ways.
Boy cant wait for squirrel season, my wife makes a squirrel and noodle soup that is just awsome.
TV drama is BS. Leave it for the weak minded massses, just turn it off man.
You will live better without it.

Yes on all points. man sans, we are often on the same page.

I really don't like how some people value animals over people.

Genesis 1:26-28

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

Man was put here to have dominion over the Earth and all it's creatures. Now that doesn't mean that we should go around and start shooting everything that moves; but if you're stranded in the woods, and a deer runs by, it is your human right to be able to kill that animal and eat it to survive.

Animals were placed on this Earth to aid in the survival of man, and without them, we'd all be tiny, pale, skinny little people, because all we could eat were fruits, vegetables, and leaves...

I tell you true Kramerguy. If it were up to me, there would be two Cops in every cruser. And at the end of the highspeed chase, when the thugs get out to run. The cop on the passenger side would shoot them with a 12 guage 3" 000 buck. And the driver would call for the garbage truck, not an ambulance.

SANS for PRESIDENT!

squirrel and noodle soup

noo noo
lobster chowder...that's where it's at doode!

I prefer uniformed balance in all things. (Just like that forgotten subject ~ Music). I also don't think that was a sentence that anyone used on this thread Paul.

I really don't like how some people value animals over people.

No Chippy, your right. But it is the written and stated position of PETA and many other "animal rights" groups that would have you live outside and starve so the roosters could have your home.

Cock a doodle bullshit!