General Music Chat

I am not surprised by prices of things I have soldoff in the past.
Hell, I sold a 1965 Mustang for $750.00

I actually was given a spotless 67 mustang w/ blown motor back in 95-96 and had to give it away when I moved back from la.

couldn't afford the towing... so the 'nice' towing company said they'd tow it for the title, was the best I could do on short notice.

LOL, I remember back in 1987, I wanted a fender mustang. They were considered "smashers" back then, nobody liked them or put any value on them at all.

So I had heard one played before and I liked the gritty tone it gave, sounded good for blues...

I went to the used shop and they had one, a '65, it was a bit beat up, but playable. They wanted $50 for it, which considering that NOBODY back then wanted them... it really just wasn't worth it.

Then Nirvana came out and made the damn things famous / collectors items.

damn!

I have a Special 112 - don't like it but I have one. Can't buy a decent tone with it, but it was a free gift, so I don't gripe about it. It's as good as the lil RMS I have, anyway.

I also have a KB 400 that works pretty well for keys, & I've even used it for bass when my Combo 400 was in the shop.

All my stuff is pre-Chinese, though.

I've used a lot of their stuff over the yrs, & for the most part it worked very well & was quite road worthy.

I was just wondering how much things have changed since they went Chinese.

LOL - I paid $400 for a '74 Mustang about 8 yrs ago for my son. He doesn't play it anymore...he was quite the Cobainaut for awhile, though.

I have a Special 112 - don't like it but I have one. Can't buy a decent tone with it, but it was a free gift, so I don't gripe about it. It's as good as the lil RMS I have, anyway.

I also have a KB 400 that works pretty well for keys, & I've even used it for bass when my Combo 400 was in the shop.

All my stuff is pre-Chinese, though.

I've used a lot of their stuff over the yrs, & for the most part it worked very well & was quite road worthy.

I was just wondering how much things have changed since they went Chinese.

LOL - I paid $400 for a '74 Mustang about 8 yrs ago for my son. He doesn't play it anymore...he was quite the Cobainaut for awhile, though.

as I recall that special had a good clean tone... it's just the distorted sound was so treble laden: like a pick axe to the ear.

afa going chinese: I believe my crate v18 is made in china, and it's a great sounding amp... but I wouldn't dream of gigging with it.

It REALLY makes my blood boil when I hear of another American company relocating overseas, ESPECIALLY to China. The Chinese products that are sold all over the world are made with SLAVE labor. They put the cheapest materials, and sometimes downright dangerous material, they can get away with into those products. The air pollution is so bad in China that babies there are BORN with respertory illnesses. I've owned Peavey equipment, bass amps, PA's and PA main speakers for many years. I have never had a lick of problems with any of them. I was thinking about getting another Peavey bass amp, but NOT NOW. If it's made in China I don't want it. They can take theri cheaply slave manufactured sh*t and shove it up their asses. Do I make myself clear?

It REALLY makes my blood boil when I hear of another American company relocating overseas, ESPECIALLY to China. The Chinese products that are sold all over the world are made with SLAVE labor. They put the cheapest materials, and sometimes downright dangerous material, they can get away with into those products. The air pollution is so bad in China that babies there are BORN with respertory illnesses. I've owned Peavey equipment, bass amps, PA's and PA main speakers for many years. I have never had a lick of problems with any of them. I was thinking about getting another Peavey bass amp, but NOT NOW. If it's made in China I don't want it. They can take theri cheaply slave manufactured sh*t and shove it up their asses. Do I make myself clear?

shred and I went on a 20 page rant where I tried to point out that outsourcing is the root of all evil - and sadly I'd like to tell you everything I own is american... but I can't afford to live up to my own ideals most of the time...

someday maybe we'll all support american so much that it will be profitable again... but it will probably be too late by that point.

Sad to hear Peavey is made in China, I didn't know that. I pretty much agree with Bob, Chinese stuff is made with slave labor, which is why wally world started buying everything in China...it's cheaper. when I first heard about it, minimum wage in china was $0.37 per hour, Wal Mart's Chinese products were mostly made in sweat shops paying $0.13 per hour. This info is several years old though, I don't know what the situation is now but I doubt it's changed much.. Went looking for a Schrade knife not long ago, you guessed it...Schrade is made in China now.

As far as Peavey goes, I've played a lot of their equipment, and was usually pleased with it except for the solid state amps and some of those sound pretty decent, but not what I'm looking for. Currently I have a Peavey MX solid state preamp into tube power amp that sounds very good, a Peavey Patriot guitar that I loved the minute I picked it up, and a Classic 70 that is in need of repair. All made in Meridian, Mississippi. The only solid state amp I liked was the Pacer, it was probably the best sounding solid state I ever played.

I've also played a couple of the current Classic series, 30 and 50 watt amps, they sound good. No match for a good Fender, but good sounding amps. The 5150 sounded good, but I wasn't satisfied with the cleans. It's a high gain amp so that was no surprise.

THe American Peavey stuff, excellent. I haven't played any of the Chinese ones and don't plan to. I have enough Chinese CRAP already...mainly because that's all you can get and afford...

Outsourcing sucks. Americans lose jobs and quality goes out the window. I just heard we've lost a half million jobs in the past year, over half of those probably went to China. I think that really sucks, how do they expect us to pay for the cheap crap if we can't get jobs???

Not only are they dumping sh*t here, they are notorious for their black market piracy of you guessed it, American music CD's and movie DVD's. The entire country of China is mob controlled veiled in Communist official garb. I guess any country would do the same with well over a BILLION people living in it. You got to do whatever you can to survive. I feel sorry for the residents there. I couldn't be more pissed for Americans selling fellow Americans out. We're as much to blame for the mess we're in as they are...

But then again, I don't like Fender amps either...

I have lots of Peavey P.A. stuff and it's given me almost no problems considering what I've put it through. I don't use their amps or guitars, so I can't say.

I love Fender amps.

Lets see Peavey.

I think in my garage are 5 CS 800 amps, a CS 400. Some of these 800s are blown, but they are close to 30 yrs old. I have 3 1542 monitors and 4 of the newer generation low profile monitors, they handle around 500 watts apiece and I use them for the acoustic show, one on a pole and one as a monitor. This past monday I got a lot of compliments for how clean it sounded. Im using a Beheringer PA head. I bought it cause it is cheap.

Amp wise I had a TNT 100 for a bass amp. I think thats right, its been years ago. I had a Peavey Classic, a Musician head, Ive pretty much always had Peavey gear in PA systems. I seem to remember an article with Lynyrd Skynyrd about using Peaveys. They said they sounded consistent night after night and didnt blow up like thier English amps.

I am a price shopper. As someone else stated I wish I could say that I buy American. But capitalism is about providing the end user with the cheapest price. Is quality really that bad on Chinese products? I dont know the things Ive had havent so far given me any trouble. Some items like the Behringer head are so cheap that if it blows you just throw it away. In my garage I have an old XR 600 Peavey PA head that kept blowing up on me, it was the American version. I kept fixing it and fixing it over and over to the tune of of $150 everytime it went in the shop. This Behringer head cost $349 dollars up front, if it last a few years and blows out throw it away. Everyone always talks about the good ole American days. I seem to remember older autos that needed fresh spark plugs every 12,000 miles and a tune up. The current truck I drive is expected to get 120,000 miles out of a tune up.

I dont know the point Im trying to make, but much like playing music you have to be competitive with the competition, and our business's havent been able to compete price wise cause we as a whole have decided its not worth loyalty to American products.

I know there are folks here that will say I only buy American, but if these people look around I would imagine they have a lot of Foreign products in their possesion.

Everyone have a Great Day

As far as a lot of "outsourcing " it's our own fault.
I agree with Bob at heart,
But, why should I, who went to college and worked three jobs to get my education in order to earn maybe 50k a year,
pay 40K for a car built by a high school dropout that makes 150k a year because of the unions ?

Dont get me wrong now, I dont "demonise" any man who wants to get ahead to provide for his family. But if I were making those cars (as in corporate ownership)
I'd say screw that union too. But the government wont let you just say "Ok it's my business, it's my money, I am the one taking the risks, NO UNION"
So whom is the slave in the US?
And that my friends is BS!

Thats one of my biggest beefs with this whole "green" business.
Yes we should all protect our environment.
( My Dad has always said dont crap in your nest)
But our workers can not compete under the current regulated vs unregulated global market. And they want to make it worse ?


Sorry, back to music!