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anyone who is 100% sure has stopped looking and therefore cannot ever find the whole truth.

That's probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard anyone say...ever. It makes absolutely no sense.

I'm 100% sure BECAUSE I've found the truth. You're just still searching because you've refused to accept that truth.

whatever dude, I'm glad you're so sure...good luck with that on the day of reckoning.

I don't need luck, but thanks

I don't have any idea what you guys are talking about. Lol.

I lovr to add fuel to the fire (and brimstone), but I really couldn't care less about this conversation. I just wanted to let everyone know that I am still here and watching...kinda like God. (Oh, boy, now I've done it.).

Well stated, anyone who is 100% sure has stopped looking and therefore cannot ever find the whole truth.

Lol. I wouldn't go that far. Your statement disqualifies itself: "You certainly can't be certain...".

Besides, the Christian world-view is based on the Bible which has as part of its foundation God's testimony that the believer can be certain (that he's saved, which implies that God exists, which therefore means the Christian can be 100% certain that God exists). That doesn't mean the unbeliever will believe that sentiment, but from the Christian's perspective (world-view), inherant in our worldview is a justification for believiing that certainty is possible.

From the unbeliever's perspective however, all experience is subjective (subordinate to his own finite experience) so there is no justifiable reason to believe that certainty can be found.

Chris

Well stated, anyone who is 100% sure has stopped looking and therefore cannot ever find the whole truth.

Lol. I wouldn't go that far. Your statement disqualifies itself: "You certainly can't be certain...".

Besides, the Christian world-view is based on the Bible which has as part of its foundation God's testimony that the believer can be certain (that he's saved, which implies that God exists, which therefore means the Christian can be 100% certain that God exists). That doesn't mean the unbeliever will believe that sentiment, but from the Christian's perspective (world-view), inherant in our worldview is a justification for believiing that certainty is possible.

From the unbeliever's perspective however, all experience is subjective (subordinate to his own finite experience) so there is no certainty to be found there.

Chris

Well said

Ryan, doesn't screaming hurt? I'm afraid I'd lose a tonsil if I tried that ^.^

Well stated, anyone who is 100% sure has stopped looking and therefore cannot ever find the whole truth.

Lol. I wouldn't go that far. Your statement disqualifies itself: "You certainly can't be certain...".

Besides, the Christian world-view is based on the Bible which has as part of its foundation God's testimony that the believer can be certain (that he's saved, which implies that God exists, which therefore means the Christian can be 100% certain that God exists). That doesn't mean the unbeliever will believe that sentiment, but from the Christian's perspective (world-view), inherant in our worldview is a justification for believiing that certainty is possible.

From the unbeliever's perspective however, all experience is subjective (subordinate to his own finite experience) so there is no certainty to be found there.

Chris

Well said

We agree on this one Ryan!!

Very well put Chris. Thanks for jumping in.

I don't have any idea what you guys are talking about. Lol.

I lovr to add fuel to the fire (and brimstone), but I really couldn't care less about this conversation. I just wanted to let everyone know that I am still here and watching...kinda like God. (Oh, boy, now I've done it.).

So Joseph, since you're watching, like god, that makes you godlike!

j/k

I love the line about adding fuel to the fire (and brimstone). Hilarious!!

I'm glad you enjoyed it...I was afraid these guys were going to crucify me!...Oops, here we go again!

Joseph!!!!

I missed you! LOL

What's going on with you MUSICALLY?

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Stalled. I had to leave my fairs/festivals band due to band politics (I'm actually happy to be out of it, but now it's starting over time-again!)

Hey Joseph !!

Hey Joseph!

see, it goes both ways. This religion thread has just been hijacked and turned into a musician thread

About time...

Christ4Blues wrote: “Either God exists or God doesn't, irregardless if you believe it or not.

The unbeliever begins with the premise that God doesn't exist, and the believer begins with the premise that God does exist.”

And if none of them has proofs for their assumption “God doesn't exist” or “God does exist”, then there will be no scientific and formal logical debate.

Here follows a proof for a Creator and also a proof which prove the Creator’s purpose of the human:

Scientists have always inferred the origin of the universe by reversing the observed state of the universe. At first, the universe was thought to be static. Thus, science held that the universe simply "always was." Then scientists theorized that gravity must cause the universe to shrink. Thus, science changed its mind, inventing the "Big Bang" Theory. It wasn't until 1998 that astronomers discovered that the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate. Reversing an accelerating expansion to see back in time produces a universe that shrinks at a decelerating rate as one goes back in time to its origin. Follow this process to its ultimate and the rate of shrinkage reduces to converge with timespace where both are zero. That is, both shrinkage and timespace stop at timespace=0. Thus, timespace has a beginning.

From timespace=0, scientists hold that nothing in the universe magically "popped in" with no cause. It is a fundamental law of physics that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause.
The fundamental laws of physics then require a cause of the universe ex nihilo; i.e., a Prime Cause Singularity that is non-dimensional and independent of timespace. In contrast to endless opinionating of innumerable pseudo-scientific religionists, science recognizes the necessity of a Prime Cause ex nihilo

No eminent scientist represents that our perfectly-orderly universe can be explained ex nihilo without a Prime Cause. Being logically consistent (orderly), the universe must mirror its Prime Cause / Singularity-Creator—Who must be Perfectly Orderly; i.e. Perfect. Therefore, no intelligent person can ignore that our purpose and challenge in life is learning how we, as imperfect humans, may successfully relate to a Perfect Singularity-Creator without our co-mingling, which transcends the timespace of this dimensional physical universe, becoming an imperfection to the Perfect Singularity-Creator

An orderly Creator necessarily had an Intelligent Purpose in creating this universe and us within it and, being Just and Orderly, necessarily placed an explanation, a "Life's Instruction Manual," within the reach of His subjects—humankind.

It defies the orderliness (logic / mathematics) of both the universe and Perfection of its Creator to assert that humanity was (contrary to His Tor•âh′ , see below) without any means of rapproachment until millennia after the first couple in recorded history as well as millennia after Abraham, Moses and the prophets. Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Tor•âh′ —which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). [Source: www.netzarim.co.il]

Religions that contradict" תורה (Torah), therefore, are the antithesis of the Creator.