General Music Chat

You had the most wonderful offer from something/one in the entertainment business? Something that could really put food and prosperity on the table for you. your family and provide security. Would you leave?

Or do you consider you band mates to be all that there is for you?

I would and I have... as well as my other bandmates... My bassist and drummer left together and left me high and dry in PanikAtack... No anger, still great friends.. this is the way it is... I left Rat Salad for my Present project that i'm in now.... We are all still great friends and hang out!

No I would't and twenty years ago I didn't. Loyalty to Loyalty!!!!

Gotta always remember life doesn't come warranty,no matter what.

If that offer was placed in front of a band-mate and he/she said no, because of loyalty, or any other reason, I'd smack him/her upside the head and call them a dumbass. Seriously.

Opportunities like that only come to a increasingly small number of musicians. I'd be happy for anyone I know that had such an opportunity presented to them, and I personally would NEVER expect to go along for the ride, even in situations like I'm in now, where Valerie is the focus of the band, and fans. Sure, we helped her "make it" (if that day ever comes), but if I want that same "opportunity", I need to go out and form the "kramerguy band"...

I would honestly be thrilled for her, and grateful if she found a place for me, but never disgruntled if she didn't (in most cases the labels make those decisions anyways.. no reason to hate on the person who has the least amount of control!)

With a nod. With a wink.
With the dishes in the sink.
With a laugh. With a grin.
With a sloshing glass of gin.
At their house. At a gig.
I'd be dancin' gleeful jigs.
With a smile. With a hug.
And I wouldn't feel like crud.

And I wouldn't expect anything less from them. Ya gotta do watcha gotta do...

For yourself. For your wife.
Gotta choose that better life.
For the kids. For the dog.
Gotta go for stuff whole hog.

Wtf kinda question is that, anyway?

LOYALTY? To whom? For what?

Be true to thine own self, while keeping mind that when you get to the top, you will probably be in a better position to give your friends a leg up. Never forget who helped you along the way, but also never let them become an albatross around your neck.

That would show loyalty in the best possible way. Get the brass ring, then help others if & when they need it.

I've passed up some pretty good opportunities in the name of misplaced loyalty in my youth, & if I had it all to do over, I'd do all over you...er...all over the place. But I would at least hand you a wash cloth.

No, in a word.

Unless in doing so I could be of more benifit to those whom I am loyal:

It's easy to say untill you are in the position.The #1 thing that stops me from taking advantage of an offer from some young lovely, is loyalty.[to and from my wife of 25 years]
com'on, who would know. I would.
As far as Crip2nites band PANIKATTAK, I would't want friends like that.
Maybe the thing is nowaday there just isn't enough loyalty.
I would never leave my REAL freinds cause things change . I still have good freinds from 40 years ago. I think some of that has to do with loyalty.

sans - that was kinda the description I got out of it. Something comes along that will benefit you greatly, make you a "success" in the field, would, by definition, be something taht would give you the means to help those you left behind, to a degree.

I'd not walk out on a gig with Dddonnie & the Mikes to play a single "better gig" with ppl I respect more, musically, or something like that. But if it was to make myself a high-paid, professional, working musician on tours, CD's etc, with the pros out there- hell yes. To do otherwise would be to show too little loyalty to my wife & family.

That's almost like asking you if you'd leave your present job for a better one, even though your coworkers are your best friends & need you around to look good, or something. Of course you would.

Loyalty is one thing. Blind loyalty is something entirely different.

You made a vow to your wife, you keep it by being loyal.

Many Germans were loyal to Hitler and the Nazi party, simply because loyalty is always the best thing, ya?

HEIL ! LOL Last name ya know .


Agreed Phil, any oppotunity to improve the lot of those I love.

You do what you think is right and I'll do the same.

No scenario is absolute and I imagine everyone is different.

i.e. STFU.

Chippy, There was a point in my life when I would have said no I wouldnt leave my bandmates.

But, at this point I have branched out into a duo acoustic sort of gig. I still use my electric for most of it, but its basically a singer songwriter sort of deal. I enjoy playing a huge variety of music and my band is one dimensional in nature, we play hundreds of songs but if you really look at it we do the same thing over and over again. I feel I have a lot more musically to give, and I think Im a tremendous entertainer.

Earlier this year I did this solo deal and the lady there wants to hire me instead of my band. From my monday night solo stuff Ive got some leads on some higher paying gigs for me solo. And oddly its given me a format for some of my original stuff. I dont throw many out there, but every night I try about 3 songs mixed in there somethere to just see what the reaction is.

If something was offered business wise that would help my family, I would have to try. I will add that I am fortunate today that money and jobs arent an issue with me. I made some decisions thru the years and have been blessed with some things that would make it very hard for me to accept any kind of deal unless it was on my terms. That could all change tomorrow and probably will, cause Ive learned in life that whenever things seem good they can get ugly real quick.

I guess in short I have set up my life over the last few years to allow me to pursue my musical endeavers whatever they may be without really worrying about the monetary side of things. This allows me to do what I want and just have fun with it. So if I was offered some sort of deal I probably wouldnt jump at it. Anything that is really a lot of money has a lot of strings tied to it and I just dont know if I could committ or not.

This is a kind of vague answer to your question.

If I was a starving artist and someone wanted me and not the band I would jump on it in a heartbeat. Music is dog eat dog and you might not ever get another chance.

If you ever heard your bands' name, followed by "who are they"?

YOU ARE A STARVING ARTIST, quit being delusional.

No one knows who you are out of your tiny AO, be realistic.

Capt I guess your digging at me for some reason. I dont consider myself a starving artist, Im playing around 7 gigs a month now, Im turning down paying slots with other bands. In certain areas people do recognize me. Am I making enough to live off of. NO, but my musical endeavers are making me enough to buy the equipment I need without taking money away from my family, so my music is supporting itself. But you are right if I take away all my other income then I would be a starving artist. Fortunately at this point thats not an issue for me. But thanks for the concern.

Your entitled to your opinion although I dont understand what it has to do with this thread.

Where you been?