General Music Chat

Rev - the effects you describe when you don't imbibe are, in fact, indicators of some sort of addiction.

If you do, indeed, have ADHD, the smoke, while making you feel better while you're toking, will actually exacerbate your ADHD condition, creating the need for yet more smoke. The circle tightens around you until your entire life revolves around the substance.

It is not too late for that ADHD diagnosis, nor too late for treatment. Guess what the preferred treatment is? Extremely small doses of speed! This will help you to focus (it helps virtually ANYONE to focus, btw). Other treatments include non-speedy drugs, which I don't recommend any more than I do the speed, & behavioral therapy. There's also a cognizant approach, which makes the most sense to me. I hope you check it all out, cuz self-medicating a self-diagnosis just isn't the smartest thing to do.

Whatever - do remember that if you DO have ADHD, the pot makes it WORSE, not better, no matter how good & calm the stuff makes you feel.

I have spoken to physicians, and they have informed me that I already take the safest prescribed drug in america for the condition, 14 states already have medical marijuana, I just unfortunately moved out of my old one.

thats your opinion, however, 53% of americans have disagreed with you in open polls on major political scenes recently. Most americans now see weed as the least dangerous substance in comparison to the "legal" alternatives. Neanderpaul, my use doesn't take away anything from my family, we are very comfortable. It doesn't hurt them in any way, if it did, my wife would tell me. So, if you dont like it that is your right, but do not try to impose YOUR morality on ME. I openly display my beliefs, but do not force you to see my side, I just ask that if you don't agree, you don't resort to childish petty name calling. you make me sick...

Tell me Neaderpaul and JW, what bothers you more, the fact that I smoke pot, or the fact that I smoke pot AND make money in the music industry while you struggle to get people to hire you? Does it bother you that I get quarterly checks from ASCAP and BMI while someone like you just pays your yearly dues and gets nothing but the newsletter? Yeah, I think thats it.

it clearly has effected your ability to 'get' the point he's trying to make:
let me sum it up for you in a way you might be able to understand a bit better...
it is illegal (unless you are one of the few in ca or or that have a prescription) and when you get caught they will toss you in jail... this will take you away from your kids, they could take your house/car, your biz could be left unmanaged, they could fine you, and ultimately all of these things will effect your family. This makes you irresponsible. This could become my prob when your family goes on welfare.
again, make it legal and all these arguments go away... and we're left with only one argument: second hand smoke. I would bet hard cash that you smoke in the house...
take that away, and I could care less what you do. I'm fine w it. But don't do it in front of your kids. why? having sex is ok but you don't do that in front of your kids right? you shouldn't get drunk in front of them either.

You would lose that bet, I never smoke in the house and never around my kids. I also usually don't smoke it, I usually vaporize, but also eat it in foods specifically dosed for my condition. I do not get high from it at all, when used properly, it is not about getting high.

and hey, speeding is illegal too...yet I bet you do that

and ps, I am all about making it legal and regulating and taxing it for responsible adult use, like myself, and for medicinal and textile use as well. Irresponsibility is in the hands of the user, not the drug used.

You may be taking the "safest drug on the planet," but, consider this - that still doesn't mean that it's the correct drug for your condition. I did a little checking on this very subject a few years ago, when I, like so many others, thought I had ADHD. (I was tested & they told me I'm not afflicted with that particular curse.) EVERY bit of research I checked into had the same advice, when it comes to marijuana - that it makes the condition worse, so don't use it.

I doubt that any self-respecting, knowledgeable Dr would prescribe pot for an ADHD condition.

Check into it yourself. Make your own life choices. Be well & safe.

Good luck.

thats your opinion, however, 53% of americans have disagreed with you in open polls on major political scenes recently. Most americans now see weed as the least dangerous substance in comparison to the "legal" alternatives. Neanderpaul, my use doesn't take away anything from my family, we are very comfortable. It doesn't hurt them in any way, if it did, my wife would tell me. So, if you dont like it that is your right, but do not try to impose YOUR morality on ME. I openly display my beliefs, but do not force you to see my side, I just ask that if you don't agree, you don't resort to childish petty name calling. you make me sick...

Tell me Neaderpaul and JW, what bothers you more, the fact that I smoke pot, or the fact that I smoke pot AND make money in the music industry while you struggle to get people to hire you? Does it bother you that I get quarterly checks from ASCAP and BMI while someone like you just pays your yearly dues and gets nothing but the newsletter? Yeah, I think thats it.

it clearly has effected your ability to 'get' the point he's trying to make:
let me sum it up for you in a way you might be able to understand a bit better...
it is illegal (unless you are one of the few in ca or or that have a prescription) and when you get caught they will toss you in jail... this will take you away from your kids, they could take your house/car, your biz could be left unmanaged, they could fine you, and ultimately all of these things will effect your family. This makes you irresponsible. This could become my prob when your family goes on welfare.
again, make it legal and all these arguments go away... and we're left with only one argument: second hand smoke. I would bet hard cash that you smoke in the house...
take that away, and I could care less what you do. I'm fine w it. But don't do it in front of your kids. why? having sex is ok but you don't do that in front of your kids right? you shouldn't get drunk in front of them either.

You would lose that bet, I never smoke in the house and never around my kids. I also usually don't smoke it, I usually vaporize, but also eat it in foods specifically dosed for my condition. I do not get high from it at all, when used properly, it is not about getting high.

and hey, speeding is illegal too...yet I bet you do that

and ps, I am all about making it legal and regulating and taxing it for responsible adult use, like myself, and for medicinal and textile use as well. Irresponsibility is in the hands of the user, not the drug used.

ok, I speed (In the last 5 years I got one ticket for going 66 in a 55 when I thought the spd limit was 65- in a mustang gt - I'm embarrassed to admit how slow I was going)... so since I speed I should also commit murder. they are both illegal. therefore by your logic one is no worse than the other, right? We should all be able to do illegal things right? Were you using your pot-head-debate-skills when you came up with that one? We're not talking about speeding. We're talking about smokin' weed. doing one thing illegal doesn't justify the other so lets move on.

afa vaporize... that is an airborne chemical... and tho the second hand vapor from it wouldn't be nearly as bad... I sure hope you are honest when you say that you don't do it in your house, forgive me, but my experience suggests otherwise... I'll try to quell those thoughts, after all you are an individual and for all I know you are the only responsible pot smoker on earth.

Note: that vaporizing nor consuming pot brownies dissolve the harmful effects it has on your heart, brain and stomach. It will eventually kill you and studies have shown that long term use inevitable leads to paranoia. I don't have a vendetta against it, I just can't stand it when 'enlightened' folks try to pass it off as some wonder drug that has no ill effects. You would make a much better argument if you acknowledged it's problems.
But don't waste your time convincing me: I want it legal. I want cops to start testing for it after car crashes so we can get some actual data on that. I want folks to have to pay $2000 fines when they get caught for a pot related DUI. It may not be as bad as drunk driving, but it is AT LEAST on par with driving while talking on your cell.

Don't get me wrong: If you do it with a prescription, you are careful to keep it from effecting others I think it's fine in and of itself.
If you don't have a prescrip, it is illegal and one could make a very good argument that it is irresponsible behavior. If you get it from a dealer, you are putting your family at risk. If you grow it yourself: you are less intelligent than I even gave you credit for being.
If you don't in fact have a prescrip and you are not smart enough to realize that admitting you are doing it illegally on a forum that will retain your words for years to come - well lets just say: don't be stupid.

Let me state that: I really don't have a prob with folks using pot. Don't think that because I make the argument that I think it could mean u r irresponsible mean that I think it makes you a terrible person, that you should be put in jail, or that I haven't been irresponsible myself.
Who here among us is 100% responsible all the time?


oh, and I realize that perhaps jw and others have earned the harsh comments you made above re your music prowess, but there's really no need to let this get ugly. You can't influence someone by getting nasty and it just ends up looking like you (both parties) are losing the argument.

A dope head is just that a DOPE HEAD

Sorry this is just hitting real close to home to me these days. I ussually keep my mouth shut on these issues.

There is a huge cost monetarily, mentally and physically tied to pot use, but this imbecile Rev will never see it til he loses something.

See you in rehab dude

hey partner, your argument was much stronger b4 you started tossing insults. you make a great point that smoking and having a family is not responsible, but it's hard to get on that bus when you go from softly encouraging to blatantly being insulting. If you want to influence someone, it's probably best you don't call them a imbecile. u r out of line IMO.

Your probably right. Thanks Mikey, I took this too personal, but I have my reasons. Im letting it go.

I wouldnt want a Rev's Wrath on me now would I?

If nothing else at least someone might look at the consequences of their actions before heading down this "harmless" path.

Good Luck with your cause Rev

so since I speed I should also commit murder. they are both illegal. therefore by your logic one is no worse than the other, right?

this statement is rediculous, society has accepted that murder is morally wrong, so you cannot compare it to speeding, however, speeding IS worse than smoking pot at home and relaxing. Speeding leads to alot more deaths a year than sitting home relaxing.

that vaporizing nor consuming pot brownies dissolve the harmful effects it has on your heart, brain and stomach. It will eventually kill you and studies have shown that long term use inevitable leads to paranoia

studies that have shown that data have long since been debunked by more current, advanced studies.

I want cops to start testing for it after car crashes so we can get some actual data on that.

when they find a test that can determine how recent usage was, I would have no problem with that, but for now, since it stays in your system for 30 days or more, that is an unfair test. a breathalyzer test done after 12 hours doesn't necessarily detect the alcohol amount in the body at the time of crash either, and that is how long it takes for the "official" breathalyzer in most busy urban areas, which shows just how low the numbers are compared to the number at the time of accident.

I want folks to have to pay $2000 fines when they get caught for a pot related DUI

fair enough, if they come out with a more accurate test, or they catch you red handed...if your car stinks of pot, you are an irresponsible user.

It may not be as bad as drunk driving, but it is AT LEAST on par with driving while talking on your cell.

I disagree, I think they are equally bad

If you do it with a prescription, you are careful to keep it from effecting others I think it's fine in and of itself.
If you don't have a prescrip, it is illegal and one could make a very good argument that it is irresponsible behavior

you could say its irresponsible because its illegal, but no one is perfect, I put the use of marijuana, as a responsible adult, on the same level as failing to use your turn signal onto a one way street. my opinion, i know, but also the opinion of 53% of americans according to the latest gallup poll on the subject.

I really don't have a prob with folks using pot. Don't think that because I make the argument that I think it could mean u r irresponsible mean that I think it makes you a terrible person, that you should be put in jail, or that I haven't been irresponsible myself.
Who here among us is 100% responsible all the time?

It really is all about personal responsibility. Stupid is as stupid does, regardless of whether its pot or an energy drink, the drug in each will affect the stupid and the stupid will do stupid things, those of us who dont do stupid things like operate a vehicle while under the influence are not irresponsible.

It is illegal to get behind the wheel of a car if you take a prescription drug that warns of drowsiness, but people do that every day without a second thought. I do not drive for at least 2 to 3 hours from the time I medicate with vapor or smoke, and 6 when I ingest it orally. I know by then my head is fully cleared of the side effects of my medicine. I don't smoke to get high, I smoke to medicate and meditate (meditating once a week in "church" and dont drive at all that day), I love to walk, especially in nature where my church is forced to meet due to the illegality of our sacred plant...I now know how early christians felt when they'd be fed to the lions for their faith, jail is full of people that would probably scar me for life, just for practicing my faith...

oh, and I realize that perhaps jw and others have earned the harsh comments you made above re your music prowess, but there's really no need to let this get ugly. You can't influence someone by getting nasty and it just ends up looking like you (both parties) are losing the argument.

i completely agree that the name calling and such is childish and i responded in kind, which was also not a good thing, but I feel like, as I said above, I'm being thrown to the lions for supporting my own beliefs

A dope head is just that a DOPE HEAD

Sorry this is just hitting real close to home to me these days. I ussually keep my mouth shut on these issues.

There is a huge cost monetarily, mentally and physically tied to pot use, but this imbecile Rev will never see it til he loses something.

See you in rehab dude

hey partner, your argument was much stronger b4 you started tossing insults. you make a great point that smoking and having a family is not responsible, but it's hard to get on that bus when you go from softly encouraging to blatantly being insulting. If you want to influence someone, it's probably best you don't call them a imbecile. u r out of line IMO.

Your probably right. Thanks Mikey, I took this too personal, but I have my reasons. Im letting it go.

I wouldnt want a Rev's Wrath on me now would I?

I hold no anymosity toward anyone for their choices and beliefs as long as they don't affect me or others in a harmful way. I only ask the same courtesy. Do not lump me an my kind in with the people who DO use marijuana irresponsibly.

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So Rev are you and I cool? I really have way to many bones in my closet to slam a casual user.

I stated what I thought from my experiences, to me they are as real as any statistics you can dig up. This event will give some musicians an opportunity to perform in front of folks so I should be behind that side anyway.

I wish you luck in your musical endeavers.

I will add that Im sorry for referring to you as an imbecile, as Mikey said no matter what I crossed a line there, Im Sorry For That

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jw - spoken like a true gentleman.

this statement is rediculous, society has accepted that murder is morally wrong, so you cannot compare it to speeding, however, speeding IS worse than smoking pot at home and relaxing. Speeding leads to alot more deaths a year than sitting home relaxing.

my point was that it would be silly to argue the proximity to wrong of speeding vs smoking vs murder... none of them are equivalent nor does any one excuse the other. why waste time arguing a point like that?

that vaporizing nor consuming pot brownies dissolve the harmful effects it has on your heart, brain and stomach. It will eventually kill you and studies have shown that long term use inevitable leads to paranoia

studies that have shown that data have long since been debunked by more current, advanced studies.

"A number of studies have shown an association between chronic marijuana use and increased rates of anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, and schizophrenia."
6 Moore TH, Zammit S, Lingford-Hughes A, et al. Cannabis use and risk of psychotic or affective mental health outcomes: A systematic review. Lancet 370 (9584):319–328, 2007.

that is a 2007 study. now it's not like you saw in 'reefer maddness' where you will immediately go crazy... but long term abuse does lead to increased anxiety.

"Long-term harmful effects of marijuana (MJ) include risk for heart attacks and strokes in addition to impaired learning and memory... Scientists have found CB receptors in many organs including the brain, heart, liver, kidney, and spleen."
http://www.bio-medicine.org/biology-new ... ks-3277-1/

that is based on a 2008 study.
In addition, I have a friend that conducted his own 20 year study on the matter and he claimed to get paranoid if he smoked a lot w/o any breaks. just sayin.

I want cops to start testing for it after car crashes so we can get some actual data on that.

when they find a test that can determine how recent usage was, I would have no problem with that, but for now, since it stays in your system for 30 days or more, that is an unfair test. a breathalyzer test done after 12 hours doesn't necessarily detect the alcohol amount in the body at the time of crash either, and that is how long it takes for the "official" breathalyzer in most busy urban areas, which shows just how low the numbers are compared to the number at the time of accident.

not a bad point... it is difficult to determine that based on blood/urine... oh but wait: we have a field sobriety test for alcohol and we citizens have accepted that as a fair means to test people's sobriety... it'd be a short leap to allow it for pot.

If you do it with a prescription, you are careful to keep it from effecting others I think it's fine in and of itself.
If you don't have a prescrip, it is illegal and one could make a very good argument that it is irresponsible behavior

you could say its irresponsible because its illegal, but no one is perfect,

thanks, you've now gotten out of denial on the irresponsible boat. again, lets not argue the proximity to responsible... lets just agree that it is irresponsible on some level.

I put the use of marijuana, as a responsible adult, on the same level as failing to use your turn signal onto a one way street. my opinion, i know, but also the opinion of 53% of americans according to the latest gallup poll on the subject.

hmm, yet it remains 100% illegal... unfortunately where you put it on your irresponsibility scale doesn't matter.
again, don't want to argue proximity to wrong but failing to use a signal can be accidental... not one accidentally smokes pot... so for that reason I would put it higher on that scale... but fortunately my or your opinion on that doesn't matter till we vote and it becomes law... right now the law is it's illegal.

I really don't have a prob with folks using pot. Don't think that because I make the argument that I think it could mean u r irresponsible mean that I think it makes you a terrible person, that you should be put in jail, or that I haven't been irresponsible myself.
Who here among us is 100% responsible all the time?

It really is all about personal responsibility. Stupid is as stupid does, regardless of whether its pot or an energy drink, the drug in each will affect the stupid and the stupid will do stupid things, those of us who dont do stupid things like operate a vehicle while under the influence are not irresponsible.

dang, I thought we got out of denial on the irresponsibility boat... it is illegal and that means it's irresponsible. come back to the boat!

I don't smoke to get high, I smoke to medicate and meditate (meditating once a week in "church" and dont drive at all that day),

you keep repeating that... are you trying to convince me or you?

oh, and I realize that perhaps jw and others have earned the harsh comments you made above re your music prowess, but there's really no need to let this get ugly. You can't influence someone by getting nasty and it just ends up looking like you (both parties) are losing the argument.

i completely agree that the name calling and such is childish and i responded in kind, which was also not a good thing, but I feel like, as I said above, I'm being thrown to the lions for supporting my own beliefs

spoken like a true gentleman... but don't go on to justify it based being fed to the lions... maybe your new to the internet but that's what it's for (at least that what everyone uses it for)
it's simple: if you don't want to defend your stance - the inet is probably not the best place to post about a big pot support party. even pot smokers will line up to argue with you.

OH...................NO.....................ANOTHER INTERNET THREAD SPIRALING INTO NAME CALLING/ I'M RIGHT YOUR WRONG/ ARGUMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
THAT NEVER HAPPENS!
HEHE.

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I'm sorry for my reply too. You know what Mike. Just take it somewhere else please. I don't think you are cool any more than you deserve the RANK "REV"

If a priest drinks alcohol, is gay, fondles the choir boys, is allowed to marry? Then he is not a priest at all. You are welcome here any time but I'm totally sure the conversation will be a short one.

I might be able to see Orion tonight since the air here is clean again.

And as a sub note.. You are doing everything in your power(s) to bring America down. I WILL NOT STAND FOR THAT!

Sorry. I live here!

http://www.myspace.com/therecoveredtruth
http://fellowshipoftheenlightened.blogspot.com
these oughta explain how one can smoke pot like a madman and be a 'satimon'/rev

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So Rev are you and I cool? I really have way to many bones in my closet to slam a casual user.

I stated what I thought from my experiences, to me they are as real as any statistics you can dig up. This event will give some musicians an opportunity to perform in front of folks so I should be behind that side anyway.

I wish you luck in your musical endeavers.

I will add that Im sorry for referring to you as an imbecile, as Mikey said no matter what I crossed a line there, Im Sorry For That

we are cool. I am sorry your personal experience was a bad one.

I'm sorry for my reply too. You know what Mike. Just take it somewhere else please. I don't think you are cool any more than you deserve the RANK "REV"

Now this apology is not really an apology, just another attack at my title.

that is based on a 2008 study.

an oxford study released 6 weeks ago says marijuana prevents and reverses cancer, treats diabetes, and more.

we have a field sobriety test for alcohol and we citizens have accepted that as a fair means to test people's sobriety... it'd be a short leap to allow it for pot

no objection here to the field sobriety tests.

Rev Mike wrote:

I put the use of marijuana, as a responsible adult, on the same level as failing to use your turn signal onto a one way street. my opinion, i know, but also the opinion of 53% of americans according to the latest gallup poll on the subject.

hmm, yet it remains 100% illegal...

It is not 100% illegal, the feds have been giving it to cancer patients since the 70s, 14 states have medical marijuana and 11 others have decriminalized it considerably, but because pharmacutical companies know that legalizing pot would put a dent in their highly addictive prescription pill sales, it remains under constant attack and taboo, and that is the only reason its not re-legalized.

it is illegal and that means it's irresponsible

when a section of society feels that some law is not just, that society has the right, moreso the duty, to redress that issue by civil unrest and civil disobedience.

you keep repeating that... are you trying to convince me or you?

I don't expect you to understand, I also dont expect you, a person who doesn't know anything about me other than what I say in these forums and what is said about me, to judge me for my religious practices, and my spiritual and medical use stem from that.

spoken like a true gentleman... but don't go on to justify it based being fed to the lions... maybe your new to the internet but that's what it's for (at least that what everyone uses it for)
it's simple: if you don't want to defend your stance - the inet is probably not the best place to post about a big pot support party. even pot smokers will line up to argue with you.

I am not trying to justify anything to anyone, I am merely defending my right to believe what I choose to believe and my right to do to my body what I choose to do to my body, as long as no one else is affected by it, and then I have to defend my life because no one believes me at my word that I have a good life and no problems brought on by marijuana. It is the cyber-age equivelent of putting a christian on trial for his life back in the first few centuries AD, I get death threats, insults, slander, and more. I speak in public often, after being in these and some other similar forums, I am wondering if I should wear a flak jacket.