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#80920 by CraigMaxim
Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:38 am
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Not musical, but too interesting not to post...


Can Bill Gates stop hurricanes? Scientists doubt it

By Ayesha Tejpar

(CNN)
-- Hurricane experts are throwing cold water on an idea backed by billionaire Microsoft founder Bill Gates aimed at controlling the weather.


Bill Gates and scientists have applied for patents aimed at reducing the strength of oncoming hurricanes.

Gates and a dozen other scientists have raised eyebrows by submitting patent applications for a technology to reduce the danger of approaching hurricanes by cooling ocean temperatures.

It's a noble idea, given the horrible memories from Hurricane Katrina, which slammed into the Gulf Coast four years ago this week.

The storm, which rated a frightening Category 3 when it made landfall in Louisiana, was blamed for $81 billion in damaged and destroyed property and the deaths of more than 1,800 men, women and children.

Skeptics applaud the motive of the concept but question its feasibility.

"The enormity of it, in order to do something effective, we'd have to do something at a scale that humans have never really done before," said Gabriel Vecchi, a research scientist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

How exactly would this hurricane-zapping technology work?

Hurricanes are fueled by warm water, and cooling the waters surrounding a storm would slow a storm's momentum.

According to the patents, many tub-like barges would be placed directly in the path of an oncoming storm. Each barge would have two conduits, each 500 feet long.

One conduit would push the warm water from the ocean's surface down. The other would bring up cold water where it lies deep undersea.

World reknowned hurricane expert William Gray, who's been studying and predicting the storms for a half-century, also doubts whether the proposal would work.

"The problem is the storms come up so rapidly," said Gray, a professor of atmospheric science at Colorado State University. "You only get two to three days warning. It's very difficult to bring up enough cold water in two to three days to have much effect."

The idea itself isn't groundbreaking, according to Gray, who said it could only be feasible if the barges were put into place at the beginning of hurricane season with the idea that storms will come.

"But you might do all that, and perhaps no storms would come. That's an economic problem," Gray said.

Even if the technology does work, Gray said it won't completely halt a hurricane.

"There is no way to stop it. The storm might weaken in the center, but the outer areas wouldn't be affected much."

And flooding and storm surges are determined by these outer winds, Gray said.

When word of Gates' five patent applications first made headlines in July, alarmed bloggers lit up the Internet, expressing fears that playing with ocean temperatures could lead to catastrophe, possibly forcing a storm in a different direction.

That's not likely, said Kerry Emanuel, a professor in atmospheric sciences at Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

"You're doing something to the ocean that the hurricane would have done anyway," Emanuel said.

Cold water that churns up during a storm slows down a hurricane naturally. But the coldest water is usually at the rear of the storm, so sometimes it's too late to weaken [the storm], Emanuel said.

"The key is doing it a little sooner than the storm itself does it and make [the hurricane] weaker than it would have been," he said. "There are enough experiments to find out whether hurricanes' natural cooling could steer the storm in a different location, and the answer is no, or it's a very small chance."

While Emanuel believes the physics are conceivable, he says the cost of implementing the system shouldn't outweigh the benefit.

"This would only be practical if the amount [of money] you spend doing this would be less than the damage caused by the hurricane," Emanuel said.

Gates and scientist Ken Caldeira, both listed as inventors on the patents, did not respond to CNN's requests to comment about their venture.

The patents, which were only made public last month by the U.S. Patent and Trade Office, were filed in January by Searete LLC. The company is a subsidiary of Intellectual Ventures, an invention firm run by Microsoft's former chief technology officer Nathan Myhrvold.

A spokeswoman for Intellectual Ventures, which holds about 27,000 technology patents, didn't elaborate on the cost associated with the patent.

"At this point, there are no plans for deployment, so there is no talk of funding," she said, adding that it could take up to 18 months for the patent application to be approved.

Regardless, inventors say that this technology is not something they'll be rushing to use anytime soon.

"This type of technology is not something humankind would use as a 'Plan A' or 'Plan B,'" Paul "Pablos" Holman, an inventor in the Intellectual Ventures laboratory, wrote on the company blog.

"These inventions are a 'Plan C,' where humans decide that we've exhausted all our behavior changing and alternative energy options and need to rely on mitigation technologies. If our planet is in this severe situation, then our belief is that we should not be starting from scratch at investigating mitigation options."

Hurricane expert Gray agrees.

"I don't think this is anything that's going to be done in the next few decades in a practical sense, but maybe further down the line," Gray said. "I would love to see Bill Gates, with all his money, use some of it to experiment."

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#80940 by philbymon
Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:03 am
Is anyone even considering the impact of stirring up the waters like this?

This could be truly disastrous, even if it's tried out only once.

Ppl are stupid.

#80952 by fisherman bob
Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:15 pm
Hurricanes originate off the coast of Africa. Don't give the terrorists any ideas how to develop stronger hurricanes. Millions of them might end up pissing into the ocean in order to strengthen developing hurricanes...

#80957 by gbheil
Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:56 pm
:lol:

News Flash:
Hurricane Urine is fast approching the east coast today!
Though some scientist feel it will petter out before pissing rain on New England.

#80983 by Wraun
Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:06 pm
sanshouheil wrote::lol:

News Flash:
Hurricane Urine is fast approching the east coast today!
Though some scientist feel it will petter out before pissing rain on New England.


haha, good one :)

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Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:40 pm
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#81011 by ColorsFade
Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:41 pm
I think this is a really neat idea. I'm not keen on the implementation (barges) but I like the idea a lot. I think if we can do something that reduces the ferocity of the hurricanes it's worth thinking about.

#81022 by gbheil
Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:14 pm
Honesty, I dont understand how intentionaly messing with the weather paterns of our planet could be considered a good idea.
I am sorry but even the uber rich just aint that smart.
It's like a six year old jumping off the roof with an umbrella.
Oh yea, this could work !! :roll:

#81026 by philbymon
Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:23 pm
Yeah, really. Do you want the guy who brought us Vista to control our WEATHER?

:shock:

#81035 by Kramerguy
Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:50 pm
philbymon wrote:Yeah, really. Do you want the guy who brought us Vista to control our WEATHER?

:shock:


Windows 7 .. the ultimate "Mulligan"

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Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:12 pm
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#81058 by Starfish Scott
Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:09 pm
I have a weather machine already, it's just not 100% yet..lol

#81062 by ColorsFade
Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:13 pm
Kramerguy wrote:
philbymon wrote:Yeah, really. Do you want the guy who brought us Vista to control our WEATHER?

:shock:


Windows 7 .. the ultimate "Mulligan"


And a very nice mulligan it is.


Also, I don't see anywhere where this is "weather control". It looks like national disaster prevention to me.

I think if Gates was hell bent on "controlling" the weather, he'd start in his own back yard and make Seattle a bit less rainy.
#81146 by AirViking
Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:42 am
Craig here is the the research I have done on this:

Its called HAARP look it up on google.

apparently since our weather here on earth consist mainly of temperature and presure, its not crazy to think you can control it by altering pressure and temp.

HAARP heats up the Ionisphere and i guess China blames us for some earthquakes that happened becuase the frequencies from HAARP rebounded off of it and caused them.

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