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#80529 by philbymon
Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:08 pm
Good grief!

I love how these threads mutate.

I was just wondering if anyone else saw the thing, & whatcha thought if you did. Didn't mean to stir up one of those "family values" or "is she a slut or a whore" discussions!

Musically, I don't think much of either her or her daddy, from what I've heard. Neither wows me in any way.

#80574 by gbheil
Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:26 pm
Bingo !

#80584 by Starfish Scott
Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:01 pm
Try and have your own preferences and escape the public appeal of "Minnie Mouse and her daddy, Mickey".

F*cking puus patrol that this forum is..

#80587 by Rev Mike
Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:04 pm
There comes a time in every young woman's career (in the music business) when a producer puts a pole in front of her. If she swings on the pole, there is no going back from it. It became obvious in this broadcast that she is quite comfortable on the pole, since with none present, she replaced it with a mic stand.

I don't discount her success and the way she's handling it, but like so many before her, she stood before the pole and made a bad choice. She is 16 now, which means we are going to start seeing sexuality in Miley, and when they choose the pole, as britney did, there is usually a bumpy ride ahead...with lots of pictures and posters for you who think that is sexy...

#80613 by CraigMaxim
Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:48 pm
And the pole was created.

And many women chose the pole in those days.

But some refused the pole.

These were called Lesbians.

And from that day forward, confusion, and yet excitement, dwelled among the men with poles, as they pondered an eticement that they were not allowed to partake in.

And for some men, this was the beginning of...

... the "end".

And those men were called...

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#80623 by Rev Mike
Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:57 pm
lmao

And the pole was created.

And many women chose the pole in those days.

But some refused the pole.

These were called Lesbians.

And from that day forward, confusion, and yet excitement, dwelled among the men with poles, as they pondered an eticement that they were not allowed to partake in.

And for some men, this was the beginning of...

... the "end".

And those men were called...

#80625 by Paleopete
Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:01 pm
Didn't see the interview you referred to, don't think I would have wanted to if I had known about it. Saw part of one of her shows and wasn't impressed at all, her father didn't impress me as a musician.

Don't have much of an opinion of either one as far as personal values, don't know much about either so I won't say anything positive or negative.

Do know I thought the show was absolutely stupid...

#80629 by CraigMaxim
Sat Aug 29, 2009 6:33 pm
Well Pete,

She is a superstar, mostly to children. So, it is going to be what it is. Bubble gum music. Which is fine for kids, and far more preferable to Eminem's lyric of raping his own mother. Don't get me wrong, as rappers go, some of Eminem's songs are near genius (as rapping goes) and he is one of the best that has ever taken up a mic. But his stuff is really not for young kids.

Miley Cyrus also has more adult country fare as well. Some of it is really good. Her song "The Climb" is probably somewhere high on the charts right now, cause I hear it played all over the place, and it is a beautiful and inspiring song.

The reason their family's morality means alot to me, is that it is GOOD, in fact GREAT for young people to have options, to have role models that don't have to be all about sex. Sex is wonderful, and also very powerful, but it's consequences can be VERY serious as well, emotionally, physically (babies - diseases) and the Left's lack of acknoledgement of this is CRIMINAL. And it is part of the reason there is such high teen pregnancy rates, and other teens doing adult-like crimes. Kids are not emotionally prepared to embrace sex at too early an age, any more than they are prepared, to be running away from home, doing drugs, and being unsupervised. These things go hand in hand. Lack of discipline in ONE area (sex) is related to lack of discipline in all others. These things go hand in hand. Give a child an inch and they WILL take a mile.

My little righteous rant on this, is for a reason...

EVEN ADULTS, tend to forget that EVERYTHING IS RELATED, the Butterfly Effect on an emotional level. The smallest things can bring GREAT impact in life. For good or for harm. We should not forget the role that WE ALL PLAY in this continuum.

I shared a story I think, a long while back, how my mother, when I was an adult, gave me a letter from my father, after he was murdered. She apologized for not giving it to me when he had sent it.

We were traveling on the road in her band when he sent it. I was 16 or 17. He had moved to California, had remarried, and had a very good job. He wanted me to visit for the summer. He missed me, having not seen me in 4 years or so, whatever it had been.

My mother didn't give me the letter, because she knew life on the road was difficult for a kid, and she was afraid that if I visited for the Summer, I would likely have stayed for good.

She was right.

That's exactly what I would have done.

Whether she made the right decision or not is immaterial now. But at the time, when I finally received the letter, I was a young adult, who was married, and living in Arlington Virginia, serving Senators and Congressmen and the world's elite as a bartender at the Willard Hotel in Washington, DC, I realized HOW DIFFERENT not only MY LIFE, but MY WIFE'S and MY FRIENDS, and many others, would have changed, all for one reason...

WHETHER SHE GAVE ME A SINGLE LETTER OR NOT.

I would have grown up in California instead. I would have married someone there. I would not have been caught up in a destructive religious cult, but also, would not have become one of it's most powerful critics, being interviewed worldwide for my personal experiences with it's leader. I would not have taken religion and God so seriously, because I would have been more like my father. Drinking constantly, and egging people into fights, maybe even becoming racist like he was, and maybe even getting murdered, as he did, because of the hate he had in his heart for some.

Many, many things, and many, many lives, would be different right now, and likely not for the better, had my mother given me that letter. I have helped MANY people escape that destructive cult, WORLDWIDE. I STILL get letters from family members who have not seen their son or daughter for decades, and have no way of finding them. I would not have taken God's love so seriously, and would not have worked so hard, to share it with others. A lot of good came, from me not getting that letter.

One simple act, had HUGE consequences for MANY lives.

I vowed then, that I would not forget the lesson, of how the smallest decisions, can result in enormous consequences.

And so, the talent level (although she is very talented) of Miley Cyrus, or her Father, are FAR LESS SIGNIFICANT, than the GOOD that family is seeking to accomplish in the world, by setting a beautiful example of family love and family values.

Go see the Hannah Montana movie.

It is an example of how they are doing this.

God is blessing them, and using them to help a younger generation realize that...

- People from the South are not stupid rednecks who are there only to be laughed at and mocked by the supposedly brighter elite.

- Christian values are good.

- Family is important. Respecting elders. Visiting family members. Not getting so lost in your successes that you forget family.

- Dad's can be instrumental in guiding children toward goodness and being a rock of a family. Unlike the Hollywood example in SO MANY MOVIES and TV SHOWS that Dads are incompetent and irresponsible idiots, who are merely there to be laughed at, and SAVED by their more intelligent children.

Make no mistake. There is an ASSAULT on the traditonal family values that are at the ROOT of safe and civil societies.

It is actually PHENOMENAL that a show "Hannah Montanna" that lifts up the role of a Dad, and of Family, and does not glorify sex among CHILDREN, is as successful as it is.

It is a force for good, and should be lifted up and appreciated as such.

If we are not SUPPORTING and ENCOURAGING good things, by default, we are supporting the other things, that help break our society down.

A little support and encouragement can go a LONG WAY!

That's all.

We have to live in the societies we are creating for ourselves. And our children have to suffer, when we are being silent, or helping destroy those values that will give them a chance at life.

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#80631 by CraigMaxim
Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:00 pm
Miley Cyrus,

Her song "The Climb" is a BEAUTIFUL song, with meaningful and important lyrics, and is VERY INSPIRING.

She didn't write it, but she sings it very well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG2zyeVRcbs


This is a song SHE DID WRITE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9A-0JvGpY4


It's a good song, and she wrote it as a memorial to her grandfather, who called her "his dreamer" and speaks of how she wishes he could be here, now that she is, seeing her dreams unfold.

Her proud father is in the audience on the Oprah show, where she sang it live.

Certainly worse things a 16 year old could be writing and singing songs about than her love for her grandfather, and her respect for him, and her faith that he is in a better place, but that her life is not the same without him, and he is missed.


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#80634 by Rev Mike
Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:18 pm
I blame her producers for the whole pole thing, but am responding to this:

-Craig Maxim Wrote: People from the South are not stupid rednecks who are there only to be laughed at and mocked by the supposedly brighter elite.


Dont tell people that or you'll put Jeff Foxworthy and Larry the Cable Guy out of work.

LOL

Anyway, Foxworthy already addressed this issue, the reason why southerners have that reputation is because every time something bad happens, they find the stupidest, most stereotypical redneck on the block, and that is the one that gets the live tv interview.

#80641 by CraigMaxim
Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:40 pm
The Pole thing was pathetically blown out of proportion by the media, to stir up some bullsh*t controversy.

They pushed her out on an old timey Ice Cream Cart and she was standing on top of it. The pole was coming from the Ice Cream Cart and was there to hold onto, so she didn't fall off the damn cart. Without that, there was nothing to hold onto.

She didn't do anything that even resembled a pole dance.

I'm more of an expert on THAT than Miley Cyrus! LOL

Used to be anyway. ;-)

It's totally ridiculous.

Plus, those who criticize her for wearing more womanly clothes. My gosh, the girl is 16, and a very mature 16 at that. Isn't there a PROCESS of becoming a woman, or does this magically happen at 1 minute past midnight on her 18th birthday, because we have set that as the legal age of adulthood?

She's growing up.

Handling fame very well.

And maintaing strong family values.

Her dad should be proud.

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#80649 by Rev Mike
Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:28 am
I think its rediculous too, craig. the whole controversy is from the one dip she did when her knees were bent and on either side of it, she was merely dipping down and singing to her fans. I like to poke fun at the already rediculously blown out of proportion. thats what makes a pun fun

#80651 by philbymon
Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:58 am
I am so uninformed...not to mention confusticatered...but I think I prefer it that way...pole danding? I didn't see any of that. Squatting for fans? Missed that one, too. Ice cream truck? We don't get those around here, but I think I might have some in the freezer...maybe it's best I just go eat some ice cream...

Any way I look at it all, I'm still not a fan...

Somehow, the whole chld actor/singer thingie seems kinda cruel to me, from my childlike point of view...full-time job with no social life that could be called meaningful by any stretch of the imagination = no real childhood...it's no wonder so many previous child actors grow up so screwy in the headbones

#80659 by CraigMaxim
Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:22 am
philbymon wrote:
Somehow, the whole chld actor/singer thingie seems kinda cruel to me, from my childlike point of view...full-time job with no social life that could be called meaningful by any stretch of the imagination = no real childhood...



I agree with you to a point. I'm against dressing children up like adults and having them parade around in pageants. JonBenet Ramsey comes to mind.

Acting is a little different. At least to me.

The trick is balance I think.

But if there were no child actors, there would only be movies with adults. No movie or TV show would be able to have a plot line very successfully with only adult actors to work with.

The world would have missed these performances...

Natalie Wood – Miracle on 34th St
Christian Bale – Empire of the Sun
Abigail Breslin – Little Miss Sunshine
Elijah Wood – Forever Young
Hayley Mills – The Parent Trap
Tatum O’Neal – Paper Moon
Patty Duke – The Miracle Worker
Dakota Fanning – I am Sam
Drew Barrymore – ET
Judy Garland – Wizard of Oz
Shirley Temple – Glad Rags to Riches
Kirsten Dunst – Interview with a Vampire
Sean Astin – Goonies


And countless others.

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#80660 by Rev Mike
Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:42 am
Just more proof that each of us has our own perspectives and we are unlikely to deviate from that regardless of what happens next, some forgive our celebs their slips and some dont, I personally think it is not up to the celeb to behave because they are a role model, I think it is up to parents to instill enough sense into their children to accept that these celebs are just people like you and i doing a job, theirs just has the misfortune of being in front of the whole world to be judged. But that would be unAmerican wouldn't it? not to judge everyone based on every thing we see on television? unheard of!

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