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#78013 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:44 pm
I DO ,I DO, When he says I'm AL Gore, ya gotta believe he's telling the truth.
Craig I feel real bad you coudn't write more,,,, But You have to remember history and what Nathan Hale said..... Give me a Gibson Les Paul or give me death. I have only one regret that I wasted so much time playing an Epiphone.

#78020 by gbheil
Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:33 pm
:lol:

#78027 by CraigMaxim
Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:15 pm
GongHead,

That cracked me up. Nevertheless, while I know for a fact, many environmentalists are whacky and take things to an extreme. I can't escape, and you can't escape, these facts, I will repeate again:

WE ONLY HAVE THIS PLANET'S AIR TO BREATHE.

WE ONLY HAVE THIS PLANET'S WATER TO DRINK.

That is sobering my friend.

At one time, the Earth seemed huge and was largely unknown and unexplored. In modern times, there are nearly 7 Billion people on the planet making babies, and as any accountant knows, like compound interest, over time, the more base there is, the faster the interest grows. The faster the increase of it all.

We are hitting critical mass, where population will begin to grow exponentially. We will run out of time to figure out what to do about it LATER.

We need to be serious about sustainability of life for humans and their resources... NOW!

I forget who it was, but there was an island tribe who grew in population, and used the trees on the island for housing and such. They are believed to have starved themselves to death, because when they exploitted their resources to the degree they did, without managaing them wisely or replenishing them, suddenly there were no more trees on that island. None. And the shelter they had provided, attracting animal life there, was disrupted, and those people now have no descendants. They became extict.

Let's hope that is not a foreshadowing of what we are doing, on a grander scale.

#78031 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:52 pm
I have always been a big proponent of space exploration. Laugh out loud if you want to, but star trek is just around the corner, or,,,,, we all will die. To many of us ,to little space, you can't put to many fish in any one tank. Our planet can not sustain us and all the other Earth creatures that much longer.
Just like when you were 16 and your parents told you to GET OUT, it's time to move on and wreck other worlds.
You are still writing short posts ,,, your fingers OK?

#78032 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:55 pm
THANX CRAIG, Chippy ROCKS.

#78034 by ratsass
Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:16 pm
CraigMaxim wrote:I forget who it was, but there was an island tribe who grew in population, and used the trees on the island for housing and such. They are believed to have starved themselves to death, because when they exploitted their resources to the degree they did, without managaing them wisely or replenishing them, suddenly there were no more trees on that island. None. And the shelter they had provided, attracting animal life there, was disrupted, and those people now have no descendants. They became extict.


That would be Easter Island. I saw that special on one of the science channels I watch.

#78039 by ColorsFade
Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:29 pm
CraigMaxim wrote:
We may find that computer models are wrong, and the effects are less serious than their computations reveal, but we could also find that they are worse. The only FOOLISH mistake, is NOT taking our environment seriously. We only have this planet's air to breathe currently. We only have this planet's water to drink from.

WE HAD BETTER err on the side of SAFETY and LIFE!


Ah ha! True wisdom, finally!

To err on the side of caution - wise.

#78041 by CraigMaxim
Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:14 pm
GONGHEAD wrote:
I have always been a big proponent of space exploration. Laugh out loud if you want to, but star trek is just around the corner, or,,,,, we all will die.


I'm not laughing brother. It may not be star trek right away, but mankind had better begin to work together for the common good, and maybe then, potentially, some of the advanced country's MASSIVE defense budgets could be reallocated toward increased space exploration and experiments. It is amazing the number of advancements that occured from the space program. Things we take for granted everyday, and are now in common use, often had their origins in the space program. And not just the tasty Tang Beverage. LOL

And yes, we will see massive deaths, even more than poor countries currently experience, as resoources are depleted, but also, I wouldn't put it past governments to engineer catastrophees to "nudge" populations down on purpose. Maybe that is part of what the experimental corn field was about, with the genetically altered food that would act as a birth control?

Selfish leaders don't always worry about this stuff, because they think "When peope are hungry they will kill each other, and thin the heard out anyway, or diseases will crop up because of overcrowded undernourished populations and this will solve the problem." That is PURE EVIL. To reduce lives, human beings, to nothing. To statistics. It was Stalin who said "One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic." Something like that. He was wrong, but he wasn't wrong. He was right in how people handle things that are larger than they can comprehend, and how they are framed in the public's mind, but wrong in his soul. Each life has value and meaning. Life itself is a miracle. Each life, lost unnecessarily, is a miracle vanquished.

GONGHEAD wrote:
Just like when you were 16 and your parents told you to GET OUT, it's time to move on and wreck other worlds.


OMG! LOL - 16? You wore your welcome out that fast? ;-)

GONGHEAD wrote:
You are still writing short posts ,,, your fingers OK?



Now you know, ALL the other bandmixers are shouting at you right now... "GongHead, shut the f*ck up!!! Why are you encouraging him?"

LOL :-D

Actually, I estimate that fewer than half here, probably read my whole posts. Which makes me sad, cause I try and share things that can help people or help them see something from a different perspective. I've had many lifetime's of experiences, and it has taught me alot. I have always considered myself a "teacher" because it is a role which just naturally occurs because of my love for people. I think I feel "Maybe if more people had taught me these things, I would have started a better path sooner, or not made the mistakes I have, or not suffered the things I did."

It's not all benevolence I suppose. It is probably cathartic too. If I am helping teach or heal others, maybe in some small way, I am healing myself, or at the least, creating POSITIVE value, out of the very negative and destructive things which have been done to me throughout life.

I feel like I should have been a criminal, after many of the things done to me as a child and even as an adult. But I CHOSE to love and not seek revenge. I CHOSE to find a way to use the negative, and make it have a positive benefit to myself and others.

After childhood, at some point, we are making our own way.

It does become OUR CHOICE, what we do with our past, and what we do for our future, and the futures of those around us.

#78044 by gbheil
Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:40 pm
Quote:
Now you know, ALL the other bandmixers are shouting at you right now... "GongHead, shut the f*ck up!!! Why are you encouraging him?"

No I said it under my breath. My grandson is here for my birthday and his mom gets pissed when I talk like that in front of him. :wink:

#78105 by Dave Couture
Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:21 pm
Highlights of the Updated 2008/2009 Senate Minority Report featuring over 700 international scientists dissenting from man-made climate fears:


“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.

“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical...The main basis of the claim that man’s release of greenhouse gases is the cause of the warming is based almost entirely upon climate models. We all know the frailty of models concerning the air-surface system.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology, and formerly of NASA, who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”

Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.

“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists.” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.

“So far, real measurements give no ground for concern about a catastrophic future warming.” - Scientist Dr. Jarl R. Ahlbeck, a chemical engineer at Abo Akademi University in Finland, author of 200 scientific publications and former Greenpeace member.

“Anyone who claims that the debate is over and the conclusions are firm has a fundamentally unscientific approach to one of the most momentous issues of our time.” - Solar physicist Dr. Pal Brekke, senior advisor to the Norwegian Space Centre in Oslo. Brekke has published more than 40 peer-reviewed scientific articles on the sun and solar interaction with the Earth.

“The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico

“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.

“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.

“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.

“The Kyoto theorists have put the cart before the horse. It is global warming that triggers higher levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, not the other way round…A large number of critical documents submitted at the 1995 U.N. conference in Madrid vanished without a trace. As a result, the discussion was one-sided and heavily biased, and the U.N. declared global warming to be a scientific fact.” - Andrei Kapitsa, a Russian geographer and Antarctic ice core researcher.

“I am convinced that the current alarm over carbon dioxide is mistaken...Fears about man-made global warming are unwarranted and are not based on good science.” - Award Winning Physicist Dr. Will Happer, Professor at the Department of Physics at Princeton University and Former Director of Energy Research at the Department of Energy, who has published over 200 scientific papers, and is a fellow of the American Physical Society, The American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the National Academy of Sciences.

“Nature's regulatory instrument is water vapor: more carbon dioxide leads to less moisture in the air, keeping the overall GHG content in accord with the necessary balance conditions.” – Prominent Hungarian Physicist and environmental researcher Dr. Miklós Zágoni reversed his view of man-made warming and is now a skeptic. Zágoni was once Hungary’s most outspoken supporter of the Kyoto Protocol.

“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?.” - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.

“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.

“The quantity of CO2 we produce is insignificant in terms of the natural circulation between air, water and soil... I am doing a detailed assessment of the UN IPCC reports and the Summaries for Policy Makers, identifying the way in which the Summaries have distorted the science.” - South Afican Nuclear Physicist and Chemical Engineer Dr. Philip Lloyd, a UN IPCC co-coordinating lead author who has authored over 150 refereed publications.

“Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.

“All those urging action to curb global warming need to take off the blinkers and give some thought to what we should do if we are facing global cooling instead.” - Geophysicist Dr. Phil Chapman, an astronautical engineer and former NASA astronaut, served as staff physicist at MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology)

“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.

“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.

“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.

“Whatever the weather, it's not being caused by global warming. If anything, the climate may be starting into a cooling period.” -Atmospheric scientist Dr. Art V. Douglas, former Chair of the Atmospheric Sciences Department at Creighton University in Omaha, Nebraska, and is the author of numerous papers for peer-reviewed publications.

“But there is no falsifiable scientific basis whatever to assert this warming is caused by human-produced greenhouse gasses because current physical theory is too grossly inadequate to establish any cause at all.” - Chemist Dr. Patrick Frank, who has authored more than 50 peer-reviewed articles.

“The ‘global warming scare’ is being used as a political tool to increase government control over American lives, incomes and decision making. It has no place in the Society's activities.” - Award-Winning NASA Astronaut/Geologist and Moonwalker Jack Schmitt who flew on the Apollo 17 mission and formerly of the Norwegian Geological Survey and for the U.S. Geological Survey.

“Earth has cooled since 1998 in defiance of the predictions by the UN-IPCC….The global temperature for 2007 was the coldest in a decade and the coldest of the millennium…which is why ‘global warming’ is now called ‘climate change.’” - Climatologist Dr. Richard Keen of the Department of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences at the University of Colorado.

“I have yet to see credible proof of carbon dioxide driving climate change, yet alone man-made CO2 driving it. The atmospheric hot-spot is missing and the ice core data refute this. When will we collectively awake from this deceptive delusion?” - Dr. G LeBlanc Smith, a retired Principal Research Scientist with Australia’s CSIRO.


The full quotes of the scientists are later in this report: http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=2674E64F-802A-23AD-490B-BD9FAF4DCDB7

#78108 by gbheil
Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:17 pm
Nice informative post there Dave. Good thing you are in Canada.
Obumer's ACORN brown shirts would be looking for your ass.

#78109 by Dave Couture
Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:24 pm
sanshouheil wrote: Good thing you are in Canada.
Obumer's ACORN brown shirts would be looking for your ass.


We have those in Canada too and I sure hope they are looking for my ass...I've been hoping to moon these guys for while :lol:

#78110 by AirViking
Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:28 pm
Dave Couture wrote:
sanshouheil wrote: Good thing you are in Canada.
Obumer's ACORN brown shirts would be looking for your ass.


We have those in Canada too and I sure hope they are looking for my ass...I've been hoping to moon these guys for while :lol:


Ive heard that the sun glaring off ones ass can cuase extreme atmospheric heat changes, but thats just what mainstream scientist say.
Oh! they also found more evidence to support their "world being flat" theroy, they said "look man, look at this pic i found on google. Looks pretty flat to me." "Fo Shizzle"

#78115 by HowlinJ
Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:45 pm
Reading Dave Couture's post made my day. Perhaps the is still room for intelligent debate in this seemingly, increasing lemming like society! :D
The 'ol sceptic,
HJ

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