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Yea, I see. Thats a big part of the freaking problem there isint it.
Whom to believe? They all have some vested interest.
I would think more fresh water would be a good thing!
After all, the reason we have huge deserts where there used to be grasslands and savanah in Africa Asia and the Americas is due to all that water being locked up in polar ice.
Some say the melt will change the salinity of the oceans, stop the major currents, cause mass extinction and the next great ice age.
Personally I really could care less. (not to sound flipant)
After all, I have a better place to be when I'm done here anyways.
What rankles my fur is the elitest whom want to tell me I should not have air condition and walk to work to save the planet while they televise from their mansions or private jet.

Yea, I see. Thats a big part of the freaking problem there isint it.
Whom to believe? They all have some vested interest.

When in doubt, let common sense by your guide.

Personally I really could care less. (not to sound flipant)

Not to be a jerk, but it is "I really could NOT care less".

When you say you really could care less, it means just that - that you can actually care less. So you're saying you have some room to go even lower.

And that's not usually what people mean.

Ah, the weather was all tropical and nice and dinosaurs reigned. Then came the Ice Age, killing off the behemoths and making way for the smaller critters who made a comeback after the ice all but melted away. But what made the ice melt away. Was it global warming? And, if so, who caused that? Anyway things got all tropical and nice again, and here comes man. Living large and enjoying the different seasons without a care in the world. And he brings industry and pollution and it gets worse and worse. And then they start noticing the polar caps melting and saying that all that extra water will stop the oceanic currents which distribute heat around the world and that's going to cause another Ice Age and kill off the human beans.
Hmmm, sounds to me like a planetary climatic cycle that's going to happen whether we were around or not. Mankind has come a long way and during that time, we've learned to give or take blame for everything as we see fit. Maybe we are causing it to happen a little bit faster, but it's going to happen sometime anyway. Maybe dinosaur farts caused it the first time. We're going to go through some inconveniences first, lose a lot of ocean front properties and all, but when the cold wave comes, it'll hit us hard and fast (looking at time in the perspective of the age of the earth), maybe take 100 or so years (just a drop in the bucket to a young planet only 4.5 billion years old).
Wonder what the next creatures to reign are gonna be like and what they'll do to the planet.

Hmmm, sounds to me like a planetary climatic cycle that's going to happen whether we were around or not.

How can you reasonably, logically say that when you weren't around for it before?

If the universe has taught us nothing else, it has taught us cause and effect. Things do not generally happen "just because". Something caused the first ice age - there was a catalyst involved in that dramatic of a climate change.

Things happen for a reason. It would be neat if we could go back in time and see exactly what caused those events, but we can't. So we rely on archaeologists and scientists and researches to give us clues.

And all of that is absolutely NO EXCUSE for sticking our heads in the sands now. We have no reason to shirk our own awareness. We, above all creatures on this planet, have AWARENESS. We have intelligence and we can know when things are happening and how they're happening and why they're happening.

If we ignore our awareness we're no different from an ordinary animal. We deserve to die out when our planet changes.

Hmmm, sounds to me like a planetary climatic cycle that's going to happen whether we were around or not.

Things happen for a reason.

But much of what happens in nature are a result of extremely complex reasons.
Simple "knee jerk reactions" to panic attacks such as the current global warming circle jerk merit careful consideration before trying to extort money out of some perceived perpetrator, be it an individual, or a nation state.

Hmmm, sounds to me like a planetary climatic cycle that's going to happen whether we were around or not.

How can you reasonably, logically say that when you weren't around for it before?
So we rely on archaeologists and scientists and researches to give us clues.

Actually, I got that from watching many science programs. I watch a lot of The Documentary Channel, Animal Planet (dinosaurs), Green Channel, Science Channel, History Channel, and so on. According to some, a giant meteor hitting the earth may have caused the Ice Age, and may cause the next. Still, that is a part of a planetary climatic cycle, or at least I see it that way. Meteors hit planets all the time. Earth doesn't have it happen as frequently as our atmosphere and magnetic poles help deflect most meteors, but not all. Scientists and researchers say it's not a matter of if, but when it happens again.
And, for the record, I don't shirk my duties. I recycle a lot and save energy when I can. I don't make frivolous trips in my car, but try to get all my running around done at once to save gas. I'm a lot more aware than most people I know, or than I used to be.
All in all, I'm just saying that there are too many conflicting reports on global warming for me to say one way or another if it's man's fault or not. I believe that the climate would be changing whether we were here or not. And that IS based on what I've seen or heard from scientists and researchers.

Colors,, I know I'm gonna catch hell from Philbymon and JW but I think you have been brainwashed by all the lies.
I'm going to start selling time shares in my bunker, please send your first check for $2000 for the first month rent. I also have a big pile of sand out back that I will rent for much less,if you put your head in it you won't hear all this crap. To bad,,, you play good guitar.

the only good thing that has come out of global warming is appliances that keep my energy bill down, becuase if i didnt have those id probably be as poor as the federal government.

There is no global warming. Period.... This is all crap,lies, distortion,and if you want to keep getting a paycheck from our Great govt, then you you better start listening to us old shits, because we still really care.
I've been around long enough to know the difference between bullshit and plain crap.
I also know how to reslove any note over any chord because I don't listen to to people saying you shouldn't play that way.Ask john Coltrane.

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Not to be a jerk, but it is "I really could NOT care less".

When you say you really could care less, it means just that - that you can actually care less. So you're saying you have some room to go even lower.

And that's not usually what people mean.

You are correct in the correction of couse.

Though an evil bastard like myself can always go lower.

I dunno if global warming is true or not, Gonghead.

It makes sense, that if it IS happening, the coastal regions would actually cool down at first, as the cooler former ice caps' water move along the coastline. That seems to be happening.

Oceanic desalination is also occuring due to the introduction of glacial water. We have no way of determining what damage this is doing, but it is cause for concern, since all life flows from the seas in one way or another.

I find it interesting that we, living in a nation that seems so disinterested in the environment ("Goodbye, from the world's biggest polluter!" - GWB), suffer such high percentages of birth defects, even when compared to 3rd world countries. When it happens to you & yours, the point kinda gets driven home, whether you want to believe or not.

What are the causes for this, or the high rate of Alzheimers, or the myriad other health & environmental problems we encounter here in this rich country?

The steps we take to avoid things always seem to cause other problems, making things worse than they were before. As we rush to solve this problem or that, we continually ignore the impact of our actions in the futile hope & arrogant belief that we've solved yet another problem with our technology & vast "knowledge."

We don't like the heat or cold, so we use fossil fuels & nuclear reactors to make ourselves comfortable, but this depletes the ozone & poisons our landscapes.

We fear the sun these days, so we lather on chemicals that are leaching into the waters & soil, & we know not what they do, for the most part.

We don't like to compete with bugs, so we dump poisons on our food which also leach into our soils & ground water, as well as into us. When the bugs become immune to our poisons (& we & birds & other mammals do NOT become immune), we design new ones, or move other animals into the area to eat the bugs, ignoring the formidable impact of THOSE actions.

Every step we take seems to further poison ourselves & other beings on this planet, or damage the very fabric of our atmosphere. We think we know so much, yet everything we do comes back to bite us in the ass, or our children's asses, or our grandchildren's.

There is nothing to be done but to quit doing things, & I think we all know that that isn't gonna happen!

So let's just enjoy the ride down the tubes, shall we?

Imho, humanity is no better than yeast. Yeast will eat & sh*t, eat & sh*t, eat & sh*t until it's environment fills with its sh*t & kills it. Look at our land fills, our oceans, hell, look at the sh*t laying on the side of the road in front of your houses. We're YEAST, I tell ya, in spite of our arrogant claims of righteousness, intelligence, technological advances, etc. And the only thing to fear is ppl, themselves, & their seeming infinite capacity for stupidity.

Such intelligent thinking leading to such dpressive negativity.
You got some points ,but following them out,,maybe we should have a global nuclear war, just to see if any humans get to crawl out of their caves.
Maybe we should just start mass sterilization programs so that in 50 years the population would only be say 1/2 a million in the whole world.
Maybe we should just wait for some alien nation to swoop down and harvest us just like a ripe piece of corn growing in the August sun.MMMM human stew,sure would tasty to that little green man.
OK now that we have figured out a way to solve all these problems, lets move on to something really important...
YEAST! You can't just go around bad mouthing Yeast.
Without yeast there would be NO beer. You are talking suicide in the wrong circles. Warfare at the very least. Oh and what about whiskey, You are opening pandoras box by attacking yeast.
Whats even worse is just to your north you got all those breweries and to your south you got all those distillars counting on yeast. Philbymon I hate to say it but if word gets out about your feelings for yeast, you could be in a world of hurt. Maybe you could hide out at RATS place down in the Ozarks. No ,No,No ,that wouldn't work either, They got the wineries down there.
I don't know,, let me think about it ,while I have a.slice of bread

Colors,, I know I'm gonna catch hell from Philbymon and JW but I think you have been brainwashed by all the lies.

Well, that is the great thing about our world - you can have an opinion, and no one is going to hang you for it

To bad,,, you play good guitar.

I appreciate the compliment!

Colors,, I know I'm gonna catch hell from Philbymon and JW but I think you have been brainwashed by all the lies.

Well, that is the great thing about our world - you can have an opinion, and no one is going to hang you for it

To bad,,, you play good guitar.

I appreciate the compliment!

hahaha you in turn hung them for NOT attacking you BRILLANT!

but seriously... who actualyl believes anything al gore says?

Fortunately for everyone, I have not been able to read this entire thread, cause it couldn't handle my normal posting length! LOL

But...

I'll keep it short.

There is likely some truth on both sides. The activities and pollution of BILLIONS of people on the planet MUST be having ill-effects on the environment. Dozens of prescription chemicals have been found in our water supply, from urinating them out and flushing old medicine down toilets. Factories billow polluted smoke worldwide. Just look at the polluted haze that hangs over ANY major city in America. It is WORSE in poorer countries. When I went to Peru, I literally had a hard time BREATHING in it's capital. I had never experienced that kind of dense polluted air before. And Peru is not even the worse polluter out there.

We may find that computer models are wrong, and the effects are less serious than their computations reveal, but we could also find that they are worse. The only FOOLISH mistake, is NOT taking our environment seriously. We only have this planet's air to breathe currently. We only have this planet's water to drink from.

WE HAD BETTER err on the side of SAFETY and LIFE!