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the Carbon saturation level in the atmosphere is at it's lowest level in history according to ice core and fossil records; how can it be the cause of climate change?
Why are they calling the "food of the earth" a poison and dangerous pollutant?
Carbon rise occurs "after" temperature rise... absolutely unquestioned in "real" scientific circles!
this plan was discovered in UN documents in 1961!



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"It is what it is"

PUT YOUR HEAD IN A HOLE ,,you leave your you know what in the air.

PUT YOUR HEAD IN A HOLE ,,you leave your you know what in the air.

And THAT gives us methane.

PUT YOUR HEAD IN A HOLE ,,you leave your you know what in the air.

And THAT gives us methane.

Yeah, and whale farts, and homo sapien farts, and cattle farts ALL contribute to global warming. IN FACT, our contribution to global warming is so powerful that the planet Mars has heated up in the last 20 years IN THE EXACT SAME PROPORTION AS THE EARTH. Not only are we ruining our atmosphere, we are ruining the atmosphere of the surrounding planets. METHANE IS TRULY ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL SUBSTANCES IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE!

When we were kids we called farts laughing gas. Cause someone always laughed.
I told you guys about the recent "solar cycle study" conducted on the International Space Station, did I not? This scientific team claimed that the solar cycle was responsible for temp changes through out our solar system.

We still should recycle as much as possible. I hate to walk through the river bottoms and come across someones washing machine or old tire.
I'd like to put my carbon footprint in Al Gore's ass.

And Kramer... man, you hit it on the head. We're seeing a record number of cases of diseases like asthma and downs syndrome and diabetes and autism in our children. I was just thinking about this the other day because a friend of mine and his wife (ages 26-27) had their first child after much trying, and the poor kid is downs. And I wonder - what factors contributed to that?

And then my train of thought asked: What could we have done to change that outcome? What can we do as humans to live healthier and keep the world clean?

I am so thankful that both my kids are healthy, and I wonder: will they stay that way?

My daughter is autistic, so I've given things a LOT of thought, and done a bit of research into environmental details.

They want us to believe that autism is a genetic disease, when in reality, that's not even a half-truth, maybe it's a fractional-truth at best, if you consider that the genetic predisposition to tolerate being poisoned can be considered a "cause"...

I'm convinced it's mercury poisoning. There's vast amounts of it in the air, ground water, in the vaccinations, etc.. and NONE of those things have been tested on any level against the brain of a newborn infant (and what sicko would ??)

We know that mercury is a waste product of burning coal. Coal-firing plants DO NOT filter out the mercury as the smoke plumes from the factory, and the amount of mercury in most fresh-water wild fish now almost triples the "safe dose" that the FDA and DHHS considered toxic. (yes, past tense, they changed their minds... long story)

So we don't know if it was the vaccinations, or something that happened in the uteris, but the bottom line is that her brain didn't develop just right when it was at a critical development junction - because of an environmental problem. I'm leaning towards in-utero (as noted in next paragraph), but still try to keep an open mind.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that dumping toxic waste into a river will cause problems for SOMEONE. With mercury poisioning , we know it's toxic in microscopic doses, yet as a society we DUMP TONS OF IT into our local environments daily, and just shrug it off, since we don't see as immediate a reaction as glowing green nuclear waste floating on top the water...

I lost all faith in humans learning from our mistakes - the fact we're STILL in two wars, STILL trying to enforce prohibition (war on drugs), and STILL (after wall st, bailouts, etc) continue to allow ANY corporations to legislate (LOBBY) ... well .. we're just f*ked. I give up.

You agree about what, that humans are the only cause?

Why would anyone think that? We certainly didn't cause the last ice age or tropical age, right? Don't put words in my mouth.

Arguing about it is significant to me, just like being greener is just as significant. A lot of money is involved here, like in British Columbia (CA), there's already a Carbon Tax. That is worth debating and arguing about! I can understand a Pollution Tax, but CO2 Tax??? Again, the CO2 in the air is, and have been for a long time, less than 1%. To this day, scientists are not all convinced that CO2 by humans are the cause of global warming, but yet, it is good enough for our government to tax it!

I don't see where that's an issue - yes, we humans DO produce massive amounts of CO2 that wouldn't be getting produced if not for us. Also, we DID chop down more than 50% of the worlds forests/vegetation (and I think that's a very humble estimate) that factors into the lack of it being turned back into oxygen. So, again, we can argue on HOW MUCH impact humans are having, but why bother, when the end result is that we DO have an impact? I don't agree with carbox taxes, but at the same time, if our politicians would stop letting the corporations rape the citizens, we wouldn't be in the position where we have to pay for their indiscretions, but that's another argument for another day...


And the bottom line is still this: continental ice shelves are disintegrating at a pace that is unprecedented, even considering a tropical/ice age NATURAL climate change. The rate of the melting is staggeringly fast and disagrees with past models. The planet slows down over time (see end of sun / universe) and these cycles should be slowing (and have historically), not speeding up.

We should clean our act, be more sustainable, for the greater good of mankind, and not for the attempt of changing the climate or proving the other party wrong!

On that we agree.

Do you find the light from distant stars very warm?

When you rub your hands together to create heat from friction, do they glow?


Many things in this universe are connected (maybe everything). But it is wise to understand the boundaries of separation as well.[/quote]

Like I said, it may not be visible light, you are producing a light, but it doesnt fall in the visible light spectrum.
And if you ask nasa you can use the heat from distant stars to "sail"
They are building a solar sail as we speak to reach beyond pluto. the distance from pluto to the sun is quite far isnt it?

Visible light only makes up >10% of the light spectrum. The rest is light we either have not seen or need equipment to see.

Quote: And the bottom line is still this: continental ice shelves are disintegrating at a pace that is unprecedented, even considering a tropical/ice age NATURAL climate change. The rate of the melting is staggeringly fast and disagrees with past models. The planet slows down over time (see end of sun / universe) and these cycles should be slowing (and have historically), not speeding up.

From what I have been reading these statistics are skewed as well.
Apparently some Polar Ice and nothern hemisphere glacer is decreasing in volume. But to a lesser degree than the southern hemisphere ice is increasing. Some studies would indicate that the axial tilt of the earth as it wobbles around, has changed a few degrees. This fact borne out by the difference in magnetic north vs true north calculations.

Worse case scenario would be the complete stopage of deep sea / oceanic currents. (everything dies) Best case scenario, none of these scientist has a clue about the complexities of our environment.
I personally defer to the second of the two scenario.

Definition:
Mercury: The element that exists in Environmental and politically correct light bulds soon to be dumped into landfills by the trillions in order to reduce carbon. (you still want these guys to operate your healthcare?)

Definition:
Mercury: The element that exists in Environmental and politically correct light bulds soon to be dumped into landfills by the trillions in order to reduce carbon. (you still want these guys to operate your healthcare?)

And where are all those carbon-neutral electric car batteries gonna be dumped? *shake head*

Hey, have you heard about some of the latest research using Boron as an energy source (for cars, and other things)? I'm liking this alternative alot because it's inert - no more car-fires so to speak.

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Boron? I'll have to look that one up. Is not Boron an inert gas?
I believe I saw a surgon using a boron laser scalpel once. The beam was so perfectly focused he could lay single thickness gause over the person, make his incision through the gause without cutting the gause.
Cauterisatin was instentanious as well.

:?: Boron? I'll have to look that one up. Is not Boron an inert gas?
I believe I saw a surgon using a boron laser scalpel once. The beam was so perfectly focused he could lay single thickness gause over the person, make his incision through the gause without cutting the gause.
Cauterisatin was instentanious as well.

Well, actually this project is no longer financially backed by the DOE, but there is private sector research goin on. They are trying to find ways to store the water and boron, as well as recycle the salts produced. But it seems like a neat idea with merit. Boron is solid below 200C, but "gas at engine temperatures".

Wow. Laser beams are kewl.

Very interesting indeed. Appears I was mistaken about the boron, but yea lasers are kewl.

I believe there is something to the greenhouse efect. However, I question anything Al Gore is pushin'

Other things that I'm terrified of are.

Acid rain (remember that? the rhododendron is growin' like crazy)

West Nile virus ( an old man died from it in new Jersey so we had our ponds treated, just to be safe...anyways, our tax dollars paid for it, and it gave some do gooders something to do!)

Gypsy moths ( we had them bad the last few years, but since our township decided it was too much money to keep spraying, things now seem to be back in balance)

Earth grazing meteors ( after seeing the impact Shoemaker Levey had on Jupiter, that REALLY skeered me!)

Swine flu (another great idea, since everyone at our local pharmaceutical plant is workin' overtime!)

Domino theory (if those commies take over Vietnam, well soon all be speakin' Chinese)

Nuclear weapons proliferation (kept a lot of us blue collar boys workin' for a few decades, so how bad is that?)

Killer bees (the friggin bees are gonna kill us all)

Honey bee syndrome (the friggin. bees are all dyin')

Michael Jackson is said to be dead! (how can we go on)

it's August, and last night Cin and I built a campfire and we put on sweaters and could see our breath! ( global warming, perhaps)

wost of all, listening to the media is making me a nervous wreck! ( thank God there's the BandMix forum, wher there are a few intelligent people who ain't buying into all this bullshit! )

later,
Howlin

Quote: And the bottom line is still this: continental ice shelves are disintegrating at a pace that is unprecedented, even considering a tropical/ice age NATURAL climate change. The rate of the melting is staggeringly fast and disagrees with past models. The planet slows down over time (see end of sun / universe) and these cycles should be slowing (and have historically), not speeding up.

From what I have been reading these statistics are skewed as well.
Apparently some Polar Ice and nothern hemisphere glacer is decreasing in volume. But to a lesser degree than the southern hemisphere ice is increasing. Some studies would indicate that the axial tilt of the earth as it wobbles around, has changed a few degrees. This fact borne out by the difference in magnetic north vs true north calculations.

Worse case scenario would be the complete stopage of deep sea / oceanic currents. (everything dies) Best case scenario, none of these scientist has a clue about the complexities of our environment.
I personally defer to the second of the two scenario.

Definition:
Mercury: The element that exists in Environmental and politically correct light bulds soon to be dumped into landfills by the trillions in order to reduce carbon. (you still want these guys to operate your healthcare?)

Quite frankly, I have not ever heard that ice is increasing in the southern polar region, quite the opposite in fact - (remember this story from last year? Made world-wide news for days) http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/ ... hunk-of-a/

A huge shelf of Antarctic ice has collapsed, satellite imagery has just revealed, and the Connecticut-sized shelf behind it is "hanging by a thread," scientists say.

Satellite images show the sudden disintegration of a 160-square-mile chunk in western Antarctica, according to a press release from the University of Colorado at Boulder and an AP report of the ice shelf breakup. It is part of the Wilkins Ice Shelf, which covered 5,000 square miles until it started breaking up in the 1990s. The only thing now connecting the Wilkins Ice Shelf to the Antarctic mainland is a thin "buttress" of ice.