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#77460 by Dave Couture
Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:50 pm
In the 4 billion years of planetary history, do ppl sincerely believe that this is the first time our planet is going through a climate change????

The only difference, is humans are there to witness them, now.

It happened way before man walked the earth and it will continue to happen, after man is extinct from the earth.....PERIOD!!!!
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#77461 by AirViking
Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:52 pm
a real scientist knows about sun spots,
they are spots on the sun that heat up becuase of the action taking place.
These occur every 200 years if I remember correctly.

Heres my question to global warming people:
How is it that sunlight can pass through CO2 to reach the earth's surface but when it goes to reflect off it cant pass through again?
Being in the field I am in the Airforce (NDT for those willing to look it up.) We have quite a bit of education in radiation.
The amount of Co2 in the air wouldnt even effect UVAs or UVBs, its ridiculous that people even bought this in the first place.

Good post Hayden.

#77467 by jimmydanger
Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:21 pm
The sunspot cycle is approx 11 years http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/SunspotCycle.shtml

Very little solar radiation is directly reflected back into space. Most is thermal radiation (i.e. heat). This type of radiation is different from solar radiation; it can get trapped by gases in the atmosphere. The more gases, the more it can get trapped. Look at the planet Venus. It is a runaway greenhouse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Greenhouse_Effect.svg
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#77470 by Dave Couture
Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:37 pm
CO2 constitute less than 1% of the atmospheric gas and the gas itself is plant food. During my studies, I was always taught that the earth was slowly entering a mini-ice age. There are actually lots of real scientific facts that proves that.

Following that thought, I just want to mention that, for the past 10 years, the earth hasn't got warmer, 2008 was the coldest winter recorded and here, in Atlantic Canada, it has been a pretty cold summer, so far. Most of our temperatures are in the 20s C/75-85 F. We usually get above 30C/85F, at this time of the year................so, where's my warming??????

The Sun, yes, the sun!!! Funny how during the whole Gore Movie about warming, things getting hotter and melting; there are absolutely no mention of the sun, itself?!?! I find that weird, considering that most ppl associate heat with sun, when talking about the weather. Maybe, there's something they don't want you to know...perhaps, the real Inconvenient Truth!?!?!?!?!

This is one of many articles about the Sun's influences on the current climate: http://www.helium.com/items/670537-global-warming-is-the-sun-to-blame

#77471 by Sir Jamsalot
Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:45 pm
Also, if you weren't already aware of weather station location and condition - weather stations that gather data in the U.S. have over the years had non-standard structures built around them that increase the temperature readings. In fact, one station had an airport developed around it, and its sensor is situated behind where jets park (behind the engine of all places).

This blog sums up some of the locations of these places, but there is an entire site of weather analysts who have been tracking these stations using gps, and people have gone to them on their own to take pictures and get historical temperature data to see the effects of the new surroundings on these stations.

http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/weather_stations/

#77472 by jimmydanger
Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:53 pm
90% of the world's scientists believe global warming is real. Both the north and south poles have undergone dramatic melting, the biggest indicator that there is something happening. Whether or not you choose to believe that humans have caused this is another debate.

#77473 by ColorsFade
Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:57 pm
AirViking wrote:
Heres my question to global warming people:
How is it that sunlight can pass through CO2 to reach the earth's surface but when it goes to reflect off it cant pass through again?.


Light does reflect off the Earth, or else from space it would look like a black hole (that is, it wouldn't look like anything - you couldn't see it).

But light and heat are two different things.

#77475 by ColorsFade
Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:58 pm
Dave Couture wrote:30C/85F, at this time of the year................so, where's my warming??????


Global Warming was a misnomer from the beginning. But the media ran with it.

It is more aptly called, Global Climate Change.

#77476 by Dave Couture
Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:09 pm
jimmydanger wrote:90% of the world's scientists believe global warming is real...


There's always 2 sides, to a story!

This "90%" comes from a survey, based on 3,146 SELECTIVE earth scientists, around the world. 3146, That's about the size of the village, where I grew up.....lol

I say selective, because it is often the practice. This happened, not too long ago: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5664069/Polar-bear-expert-barred-by-global-warmists.html

#77477 by ColorsFade
Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:13 pm
Dave Couture wrote:In the 4 billion years of planetary history, do ppl sincerely believe that this is the first time our planet is going through a climate change????

The only difference, is humans are there to witness them, now.

It happened way before man walked the earth and it will continue to happen, after man is extinct from the earth.....PERIOD!!!!


No one (except maybe Christians who believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old to begin with) will reasonably debate the existence of previous climate changes.

But here's the thing - climate change doesn't happen without a reason. There has to be some reason the climate change; and that affects everything else. Just as water in a pot will remain water forever, it will also change as soon as you apply a change in temperature to it . Make it too cold, it will freeze. Warm it, it will slowly evaporate over time. Heat it, and it will boil off into the atmosphere.


The Earth has gone through some pretty dramatic climactic events in its past. They were the result of some set of forces on our environment. I, personally, wouldn't want to live through another ice age because of some catastrophic global event.


The thing to understand is that in ANY ecosystem, there are literally a billion factors that affect it. Remember those complex equations from advanced algebra class? The ones with multiple variables, and you had to solve for X? Well, imagine about a billion variables...

Every single change of a single variable has SOME affect on the equation.

A coworker sent me a slide show of pictures that astronaut Sunita Williams took from space. Go spend a minute and look through these:

http://www.slideshare.net/LawrenceCarso ... s-of-earth

The first thing that I found absolutely awe inspiring is the sheer scope of man's impact on the Earth. Looking down at night I find it just incredible to fathom the amount of light we are actively generating - EVERY NIGHT!

We are lighting up the planet in a big way, and the vast majority of our light comes from coal - a fossil fuel. Imagine the impact of that. And that's just from the light you can see; that's not even talking about the billions of cars we're running, or the airplanes we're flying, or all of the other things we're doing to generate greenhouse gases.


The point I'm trying to make is this: we may feel small because we are small. One human being on this planet isn't much of a speck. We're insignificant. And we might like to use that insignificant feeling to shrug off our responsibilities as a species.

But when you look at what we've done from space with just a nighttime power grid you begin to realize very quickly - we, as a species, are capable of some pretty amazing engineering feats. And to think that our COLLECTIVE accomplishments in energy and fossil fuels have no effect on our environment, and that Global Climate Change is just something that "happens" every few million years - well, that's absurd. That's not paying attention.

We're here, on this planet. And we're doing some pretty amazing stuff for a little bug that we are. But it does have an impact. And we need to be mindful of that impact.

#77479 by Chippy
Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:18 pm
It's all BOLLOCKS.

Weather has been changing this last decade. Trouble is.
Are you prepared? (Talk is cheap).

#77483 by Dave Couture
Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:23 pm
ColorsFade wrote: And to think that our COLLECTIVE accomplishments in energy and fossil fuels have no effect on our environment, and that Global Climate Change is just something that "happens" every few million years - well, that's absurd. That's not paying attention


Oh, I do believe that we are damaging our environment, big time, and there's no doubt there! I'm paying attention alright, so much so, that I can detect when someone is trying to pull a fast one! Blaming humans for everything that's happening with the climate, now, THAT is absurd. Human may not be helping, but there's a lot more to it then just, humans are the cause. There are so many variables in play, not considering them, is absurd!.

#77484 by Chippy
Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:28 pm
It's still BOLLOCKS.
It is changing. Never mind I hope the money men have generators. I think they will need them.

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