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#77331 by gbheil
Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:36 pm
Lazy just lazy, as long as they have their cell phones and silicone on the cruse ship who freakin cares about rights?

You would be surprised (perhaps not) how many Military, National Guard, local and state law enforcement officers I was in contact with while at the gun shop.
To the man they told me while gritting their colletive teeth, they will have no part in enforement of law they consider unconstitutional.

We may soon see.

New taxes on the way too, for anyone whom files for 250k.
Good by small bussiness jobs! "POOF"

#77349 by AirViking
Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:52 pm
Lazy indeed, the things that get me that most is this star worship i see.
where people are blinded by the entertainment industry with things in the news like lohan is in rehab again... AGAIN! it wasnt news the first time, its not new news now!

Another issue I have is in the wake of Katrina.
The goverment litterally went door to door taking firearms.
Thats a voilation. They can claim whatever reason they want, safety or some other lie, but I would rather be dead then even lose one of my rights. Liberty or Death, not both.

Which comes to my next issue:
FEMA. The levy, thier rights, their power. They can outrule commander in chief if you people arent aware, look up their power if a "crisis" occurs. And im not talking about an enviromental or biological, im saying they can cease all motorways, railways, military commands, private housing, personal property, food, EVERTHING.
The power they have is scary.

#77354 by gbheil
Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:09 pm
F. eds E. ating M. y A. mmo
Not one more step back!

#77355 by AirViking
Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:19 pm
sanshouheil wrote:F. eds E. ating M. y A. mmo
Not one more step back!


hahaha thats a good one. sadly true as well :(
Safety isnt safe when you have no rights, becuase if you have sold all your rights to be safe, they will also take your right to be safe.

Dont be fooled by guns kill people.
Becuase if guns kill people so do pillows, as in you can easily kill someone with one.

#77358 by Chippy
Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:38 pm
Or an oxyacetylene torch

#77359 by AirViking
Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:42 pm
Chippy wrote:Or an oxyacetylene torch

hahaha thats morbid.
good point though most things (not all) are just tools.
the only weapon at a murder scene is the human mind that drove the person to kill. And since every murder doesnt have an adrenilne extreating tumor, Im sure crime rates will nearly stay the same even if they do take away guns. Actually! they will go up!
Think about it, criminals commit crimes, law abiding citizens are the ones who suffer.

#77366 by gbheil
Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:54 pm
I just dont understand or like this propensity for political / financial information to be soooo long winded.
A thousand page bill ? Really?
Should be a law that anything passed through congress / senate cannot be more than 50 words.

The healthcare debate (and all others for that fact) once boiled down to skim off the bullshit is very simple.

The "government" does not produce wealth / income therefore they cannot "pay" for anything.

How this for a Healthcare reform bill.

No individual or intity may collect more than %30 net profit from any product or service related to healthcare. To do so and be conivcted of induces a penalty of death.

Humm 31 words.

There goes the $50.00 Tylenol.

#77368 by Hayden King
Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:25 pm
Neither side need fire a single shot to win;
information is the strongest weapon ever conceived;
Propaganda has been used to control the masses = exposure of the power's that be and their agenda will be the the tool that topples them.
If they then choose force, then and only then will "we the people" engage them, rather than be at their mercy, for they have none!


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#77369 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:38 pm
CRAIG , I am not conservative,,,I am extremely liberal.
I beleive every American has the right to surrender personal property and privledges to our govt..... Just not me and most of the people I know.
AV do they have any F22s floating around for sale up there. I would love to have one, Imagine being able to shoot a possum from 200 miles away then all George and I would have to do is grill it.
SHeeet gotta go its the FBI again.

#77371 by Chippy
Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:51 pm
I'm not so sure of the gun thing to be honest. I think its mostly to impress friends and say "I have a GUN sitting in my closet and I shot, and if any mother%$$^&! comes near me I'll...."

I don't have one and I'm glad of it too. (Though I've marveled at them for years like anyone else). The trouble is that the time it takes for the cock to strike the pin changes lives forever. Of course you could wait outside an apartment and gag someone and subject them to the most horrifying torture before slaying them like a dog to be found on some later police probe.

What I am trying to say is this. We die, all of us die, there ain't no marvellous film ending with a crescendo of violins chanting your name, nor will you walk as you are.... ever again.

Accidents happen don't they? Guns are often involved when the do happen, if not cars with owners texting. But I talking about that one splash of madness in the mind, not some dickhead who drives too close, talks on the phone or reads maps whilst driving.

I wonder sometimes just how many advocates of the gun will stand there in that shiny light of the bomb just before it burns their eyes? After all a bomb is a bomb and meant to do just the same thing as the gun, kill people, actually anything.

So then armed we are and proud as a nation we walk forth unto society with our guns and willing to shoot, though the mask of 'The human condition' hides just how frail that line between being something that offers society something and someone who wants to take everything away.

I'm buying some bomb shade glasses soon. Hopefully we can sit at some point and consider the do's or don'ts on just how good that new sight we bought really is? Whilst of course conversing on the moment at hand ~ Whenever that comes.

We are frail of mind.

#77373 by AirViking
Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:45 pm
im not gonna argue that there are extremist out there, or that we are frail of mind.
But I would die for the right for those wack jobs (until they commit a crime or conspire to) to own a weapon as long as they dont stray from the path.

In fact being out here, all a mortar has to do is drop within 15 meters of me, and that may come true (God I hate sounding like a republican asswipe).

As a wise man once said, I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight for your right to say it.
And it may be like keeping a doctor out of the room until the patient has flatlined. But if everyone is so scared and terrified about everything the news puts a show on for then maybe the battle is already lost.
Just like this swine flu stuff.
They said the cure: stay away froom the big city, stay away from HUGE groups of people. Cant catch something from someone if no ones around right? Why dont libs propose a 1 sq mile act for all US citizens so we cant infect each other? Id rather die by an inaccruate gun shot then by whatever these SARS and HIV and all that stuff.

If your gonna play, GO BIG OR GO HOME.

#77375 by CraigMaxim
Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:01 pm
GongHead,

Listen to Hayden! He's right on the money.

For the conservatives out there, it's no secret that I vote conservative, but I am liberal on the right issues. (in my opinion, of course)

I was born in the South, and have ALOT of military in my family! I would sacrifice my life for my country in an instant. I truly understand the anger, and why it is so intense that it is becoming violent anger.

I'm also old enough and experienced enough, to know that no one is free unless we are all free. No religion is protected, unless they are all protected. No speech is free, unless we are all free to speak. No citizen is truly equal, unless we are all equal.

I believe in fairness first.

And when everyone, and every religion (or no religion), and every opinion, is free to be expressed, then the best ideas, the best values, etc... should be able to be proven, logically and through example.

They will come for the guns.

They will limit freedom on the internet.

They will do these things and MANY others...

IF WE ALLOW IT.

Guns won't stop this. Terrorism won't stop it.

Only committed citizens establishing FIRM LAW will avoid this fate.

It's time to start NOW!

Because they are eroding as we speak, and they will erode further still. As population grows, so too does fear of what an uncontrolled population is capable of.

Adding to those fears, will only speed up the erosion of our rights.

The solution can only be a change of hearts, and a change of politics and policies.

It's time for Americans to work together, to prove we are a civilized people that don't require erosion of our rights to live in peace and civility. Calm minds and hearts have to prevail.

If not, we'll lose the greatest bulkhead for freedom that has ever existed!

#77377 by Chippy
Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:10 pm
It starts in a house usually. People talkin, people complainin, people makin plans. Then other come who are equally peed of.

The trouble is that words mean nothing without actions and I do see a trend towards activating an idea into something that someone will regret some way down that line.

Like I said before. You are all great musicians so why not write a Song about it?

#77378 by AirViking
Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:16 pm
Chippy wrote:It starts in a house usually. People talkin, people complainin, people makin plans. Then other come who are equally peed of.

The trouble is that words mean nothing without actions and I do see a trend towards activating an idea into something that someone will regret some way down that line.

Like I said before. You are all great musicians so why not write a Song about it?


A politcal metal songs? holy piss i would hate that hahaha.
I think we all have a common ground here no matter what side your on (unless yoour a fat cat from washington) we just have different views on whats happening and how to handle it.

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