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Now Rythmnan I might need a new book but pn page 217 of my handy book, on right hand side of the book clearly states "G Flat Major". I looked five times. And then again. "G Flat Major"
Scale is as follws:
G(b), A(b),b(f), c(F),d(f), Eb), f, repeat

A "flat" is one half step lower, and a "sharp" is one half step higher.
So Gb is the same as F#. Most music tutorial books talk in flats, while most musicians (the ones I know) prefer to talk in sharps. It's easy both ways.

It's amazing, I don't always know what you Hayden, neanderpaulman, fisherman bob, Philbymon, Captain Scott and the rest are talking about, but eventually I do.

And ratsass, before I lay me down to sleep let me say one thing...I tried the scale on my keyboards...like I said it sounded ozzy and spooky, or freaky if you prefer. G Flat Major sounde both flat and sharp at the same time. Sort of like a two headed bagpipe. LOL

G flat, F# - it's the same thing; but everyone I know calls it an F#.
No biggee . . .
Gotta laugh . . . I remember once telling someone that the next chord in a song was an A#.
You should have seen the blank, confused look on her face.
Hehe.
And I guess some people might get lost with an E flat . . .
While talking, as long as we know the basics, and can communicate with each other - that all that counts, huh?
And - when we play - all that counts is if we can play.
How we learn to play isn't so important.
I play by ear; I think about half musician's do.
Nothing wrong with learning the theory, though, especially if it helps you play better. Right?
I play by ear, but I went on to find the names of the chords I'd been using, so I could communicate better.
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You made a good analogy w/ the LTs and Sarges.
I have met a LOT of LTs in my time, and, yeah, they were able to impress me with their knowlege; they talk really good.
Then I'll play a song and ask them to join in.
Oops.
First, I have to show them chords they've never used . . .
They'll analyze them, and tell me all about these chords they've never used . . . 11ths, sharped 5ths - yeah, yeah - whatever.
Let's just play, dude!

"Oh - what? You never used this rhythm before? Ok, it's like this . . ."
"No, not that fingering - try this fingering, instead . . ."
"Yeah that's almost it, but don't pause there; you've got to keep the tempo . . . "

Although they understood music, and could play a lot of chords - they couldn't really PLAY. (Remember - I'm only talking about Lieutenants)
. . .
Ah, well. S'ok.
I don't hold it against them; every one of us started somewhere, huh?
I'm mostly just disappointed, that's all.
There's certainly a lot I don't know, yet.
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But - you're right - an LT is no fun to play with (unless you're a beginner).
On the other hand, not everyone who studies theory will stop at Lieutenant level, eh?
Those who gain experience are fun to play with; no matter how they got it . . .
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I think one of your points was that after you're done playing, you also like to read more about it.
Cool.
I sure found a ton of new chords that way.

That's cool w/ me, man; point taken; you'll get the best of both worlds.

One of the books I used to study from listed both the flats and sharp names on the fretboard positions.
They utilised the names alternatly depending in which direction you were moving on the fret board. I know I have used the alternting naming method is some discussions here before and always drew a

C, E-flat and G go into a bar. The bartender says, "sorry,
but we don't serve minors." So E-flat leaves, and C and G
have an open fifth between them. After a few drinks, the
fifth is diminished and G is out flat. F comes in and tries
to augment the situation, but is not sharp enough.

D comes in and heads for the bathroom saying, "Excuse me.
I'll just be a second." Then A comes in, but the bartender
is not convinced that this relative of C is not a minor.
Then the bartender notices B-flat hiding at the end of the
bar and says, "Get out! You're the seventh minor I've found
in this bar tonight."

E-Flat comes back the next night in a three-piece suit with
nicely shined shoes. The bartender says, "you're looking
sharp tonight. Come on in, this could be a major
development." Sure enough, E-flat soon takes off his suit
and everything else, and is au natural.

Eventually C sobers up and realizes in horror that he's
under a rest. C is brought to trial, found guilty of
contributing to the diminution of a minor, and is sentenced
to 10 years of D.S. without Coda at an upscale correctional
facility.

OK, Yea what he said.

Back in the mid 60's I only new C, Am, F, & G and E, A , D.

However, because I was a precocious jammer, and in possession of a brand new Farfisa Combo Compact organ, that was all that was required to get me giggin' in a decent garage band. Made good bread in those days for a non music readin' kid.

I still don't know the names of half of the chords I play!

Writer,
just stay cool and keep creating! (sooner or later something has got to happen.)

later,
Howlin'

RG! Oh thank you thank you thank you! Now I can tell that to the a-hole guitar player what always tries to show off how much he knows alla time. Man that guy is irritational! This oughta 'splain things to him pretty well!

RG! Oh thank you thank you thank you! Now I can tell that to the a-hole guitar player what always tries to show off how much he knows alla time. Man that guy is irritational! This oughta 'splain things to him pretty well!

many guitarist just don't know when to shut up!

Isn't this the person that you were looking for, found, who you thought was great but now?

Been a long week and its only Monday Sorry.

RG! Oh thank you thank you thank you! Now I can tell that to the a-hole guitar player what always tries to show off how much he knows alla time. Man that guy is irritational! This oughta 'splain things to him pretty well!

No no no - it's a guy I worked with about year & a hslf ago...sorry for the confusion...I still run into him occasionally, & he immediately starts talking his technical music jargon at me & everyone else like we're at all intrested or impressed. It'd be fun to interrupt him with that lil joke when he's right in the middle of some long-winded thing...heh heh heh..there's only so much trivial exacting detail I need in my life, & this guy can surpass my limits in about a minute flat.

No, the new guy doesn't know or care much about the nuts & bolts stuff. He can confuse ya, though. I've seen it take him nearly 10 minutes to buy a pack of cigs!

He's a bit odd, really. He pays for everything in cash, but that isn't the odd part. The odd part is that he pays for everything with $2 bills...yes, EVERYTHING. He also has a plate in his head, he says, from a fatal car accident he had back in the '80's. Yeah, it killed him for awhile, & also his passenger (but for a far longer period of time, cuz I think she's gone).

He played much better this week. More aggressively, which we kinda demand.

Damn, you know I played for a while with a cat, he was older than me, but he had a plate too.....from an MVA.
Seen to think his name was lowel or Joel... been a long time ago.

Sorry Nowt odder than peeps.
Sounds like a good man Phil. Look after him and yourselves too bro.

He's a bit odd, really. He pays for everything in cash, but that isn't the odd part. The odd part is that he pays for everything with $2 bills...yes, EVERYTHING. He also has a plate in his head, he says, from a fatal car accident he had back in the '80's. Yeah, it killed him for awhile, & also his passenger (but for a far longer period of time, cuz I think she's gone).

He played much better this week. More aggressively, which we kinda demand.