General Music Chat

Wow...

All this discussion makes me kinda glad I live in Canada...

Good luck with this folks,

heyoka

(yeah, I'm still around, just kinda listening in from time to time...)

I love living in the US, but be glad you live in Canada where the healthcare system works. It may take a little longer to get treatment for certain services than here in America, but I think the overall pros outweigh the cons. I would love for the US government to adopt a universal health care plan (and I know that I will not have a popularity vote for writing this ) because private insurance is the second largest expense for American companies (on average, 2nd only to wages), lack of privately insured Americans is a driving force in the rise of healthcare costs (which is really the big picture and why healthcare and insurance in America suck), and there is really no one keeping the health insurance industry in check asside from the same checks and balances that have been in place for several decades. I think Americans could use a change.

We pay $150 a month period, for our family ...
Free in the sence that we have no co-pay when we go to the Hospital or Doctor.

If we adopted a universal health care system, our taxes/costs will go up. There is no getting around that because the government will have to be able to fund this new system somehow. I think the real question is this: Would you rather pay the extra $200-$800/month (varying premiums, depending on plans, coverage, group, employer contribution, etc) to your employer so they can pay a premium, or pay relatively the same amount to the government to provide a healthcare system that may actually stand a chance of working? There are indeed some employers who pay for their employees benefits, but there are not many employers doing that anymore. Employers are going toward self-driven high-deductible plans to SAVE money, and can't afford to pay employee benefits anymore. You and your wife have it good J. I work FT for a major health insurance company, and I don't even get paid benefits.

I definitely understand that there are Americans that either cannot afford insurance, or choose not to have insurance. That's fine, that's your choice. But if a major medical issue occurs, who will pay for the medical bills? Will they get paid? Will the be defaulted or included in a bankruptcy? These are genuine concerns that are not meant to be disrespectful or belittling to anyone reading. These questions are valid, and many Americans are faced with these questions on a daily basis because they either can't afford insurance or choose not to buy insurance through their employer's group policy. At the end of the day, medical costs go up too, as a direct effect of non payment of medical bills by the uninsured.

This cycle of non payment of medical bills is causing the real issue with health costs -- the big picture is that Americans without health insurance are making it more expensive for Americans with health insurance because the uninsured cannot afford to pay for their medical treatment. That is why healthcare and health insurance suck so badly right now.

My oh My, I shell out $1300 a month for a family of 4.Thats $15,600 a year plus copayments. I would love to get rid of that bill. I must really be stupid..
If this is the way I help Indigent people ,then so be it.I wish I had more money to share but everytime I turn around the rules change. My,your govt takes so much ,I can't share as much as I would love to, or do things the way they were meant to be done,Love your neighbor.
Canada, Britain, and the whole f**k rest of the world.... You just benefit from the great minds and companies from the U.S.A. [am I shouting]
You pay a buck for a pill we pay ten. I think its just good business on the part of the drug companies. Is it fair? I dont think they will be able to sell viagra at the same rate in Somalia as in texas.
My biggest point is that some how it has become politcally incorrect to make money or any profit. People have to work ,and people still have to be paid.
This whole national health care issue, Global warming,with the up and coming hidden tax on fossil fuels, with a new possible apointment to the supreme court of a racist.....sh*t
Furthermore, the question about our president being a natural born citizen keeps coming up. Records are sealed in HI, grand mother dead, and docs produced that anyone could make at home.
We need cheap energy. Nothing is being done about this. This is The one reason why so many people are hurting.
Give us some breathing space so we can all help our fellow people.Stop taxing us to death.
Glen
PS For every thing that seems wrong with our great country....there are a million things that are good and right!!!

Oh , by the way, for all you Canadiens , the last time I checked we were still THE REPUBLIC OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

That means the street sweeper, that is happy with the job ,may not get paid as much as the doctor who has spent many years in school and training.

That also means the street sweeper, that is not happy with the job, has the choice to spend many years in school and training,and become a doctor.

Understand the word REPUBLIC. It allows all people to rise their Full potential.

TOO many people seem to overlook this God given right.

My oh My, I shell out $1300 a month for a family of 4.Thats $15,600 a year plus copayments. I would love to get rid of that bill. I must really be stupid..
If this is the way I help Indigent people ,then so be it.I wish I had more money to share but everytime I turn around the rules change. My,your govt takes so much ,I can't share as much as I would love to, or do things the way they were meant to be done,Love your neighbor.
Canada, Britain, and the whole f**k rest of the world.... You just benefit from the great minds and companies from the U.S.A. [am I shouting]
You pay a buck for a pill we pay ten. I think its just good business on the part of the drug companies. Is it fair? I dont think they will be able to sell viagra at the same rate in Somalia as in texas.
My biggest point is that some how it has become politcally incorrect to make money or any profit. People have to work ,and people still have to be paid.
This whole national health care issue, Global warming,with the up and coming hidden tax on fossil fuels, with a new possible apointment to the supreme court of a racist.....sh*t
Furthermore, the question about our president being a natural born citizen keeps coming up. Records are sealed in HI, grand mother dead, and docs produced that anyone could make at home.
We need cheap energy. Nothing is being done about this. This is The one reason why so many people are hurting.
Give us some breathing space so we can all help our fellow people.Stop taxing us to death.
Glen
PS For every thing that seems wrong with our great country....there are a million things that are good and right!!!

Just what we need in this world, more extremists! So, to recap, U.S.A good, everybody else, bad. This ignorant song is getting so f**k old!!!!!

Dave , f**k you too and don't bother coming to AMERICA because we don't need need f**k spineless mother f**k like you every time things get tough.

I can see you can't read because you missed half the important stuff I wrote.

Go back to canada and shutup till we fix all the world problems.

I am am so pissed at assholes like you telling great AMERICANS what to do......GO f**k YOURSELF.

Dave, I cannot speak for Canada's tax rate.
The %58 I speak of is what will be the rate for anyone whom makes $250k annual as a couple in many of these United States if the present bills pass through the congress.
Some states, like the already bankrupt California and New York will be > %60
Tax rate of 60 cents on every dollar earned.
That will drive the jobless rate to near %30 according to some economist.
To be honest, I could not tell you how much I paid percenage wise to the Fed last year.
We have no State Income Tax, many states do. My property Tax to the county runs about 2k a year at present.
I can say that if I had gotten back all my wife and I paid in, I could have paid off my Jeep and my shop.
I do not mind paying into our infrastructure as a citizen. But I feel no obligation to pay anyones healthcare but my own.

OH DAVE I AM SO PISSED AT YOU I AM SCREAMING. CANADA LIVES AND LIVES BECAUSE OF OUR GREAT COUNTRY.

NOT YOURS.

GET IT..............YET

By the way good trax .

Easy Glen, remember your blood pressure!
Those damned pills aint free....... yet.

110 /70 not bad for 63 year old smoker. Granma died at 86 runover by a truck she wasn't looking when she came out of the bar.
Thanx Sans you are one of the best.

I do not mind paying into our infrastructure as a citizen. But I feel no obligation to pay anyones healthcare but my own.

i dont mean to trivialize kramer guy's problems. there are some things that could be fixed with the health care system. but, i am NOT for universal health care. sorry, this isnt canada, or the netherlands.

what works there may not work here. the government is broke as it is - can we afford expanding it to accomodate another program?

also, its bitter to say, but it must be said - many people who do not have health insurance may not ("may not") have it because after food and rent, their priorities are diverted elsewhere to material things. this country has the fattest and richest lower economic class in the world.

another note - (and im not an expert at this) this doesnt have THAT much to do with our being "controlled" by big pharma. incredible costs are partly due to liability insurance and the need to pay for the technology. hospitals need state of the art equipment to serve their customers - er - patients and stay competitive.

so, remove the profit motive? sounds like playing with fire.

incredible costs are partly due to liability insurance and the need to pay for the technology. hospitals need state of the art equipment to serve their customers - er - patients and stay competitive.

Sure, but looking back at the original post, Kramerguy HAS been paying in, but they're wanting to gouge him some more for services he had done there, all because they weren't able to keep the doctors that saw him before, and either didn't keep the records or just won't use them. How is that SERVING their customers - er - patients?
Doesn't sound very hospitable to me (pun intended).

OH DAVE I AM SO PISSED AT YOU I AM SCREAMING. CANADA LIVES AND LIVES BECAUSE OF OUR GREAT COUNTRY.

NOT YOURS.

GET IT..............YET

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Go get educated, you are embarrassing yourself!!!

This is why most of the world can't stand Americans, the arrogance and ignorance of some is stunning.

Canada is doing much better economically, than the US...actually, better than most countries, right now. Why is that? If we are so dependent on the US, why aren’t we going down the drain with you????? Really, pal, GO GET EDUCATED!!!!!!!!!

AND Btw, the U.S.A is only 233 years old. Guess how long civilization have lived before you guys came along......thousands of years. So, the world managed to live without you for that long (still can do it, too)...proves that you are not as crucial as you think......slid back under your rock, where you belong; you'll be doing your country a favor!!!!!!!!

This is why I try to stay away from PolitRockets. It's turns ordinary and very people into something even they don't recognize.

PolitRockets just came to me. I thought it was quite fitting indeed!
Chippy.

lol, thanks. I guess I'm just not impressed with the mediator’s work. I'm not big on ppl who just like to disrespect others, in order to make them feel superior. Where I come from, it's called inferiority complex….lol

Maybe I should just stay out of this place!

LOL, Would you guys prefer German, Japanese, or Russian as your official language.
Canada has for most of that 200 years been a great alli and friend to the US.
But our economies are inextricably linked, as is that of our most corrupt southern neighbor.
We are in the same boat, like it or not, so lets not make waves and just Rock it.