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#74621 by gbheil
Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:31 am
You are so right on that point Mr Haley.
Thanks for that reminder of humanity.
I have always had a weakness at the point of forgiveness for my fellow man. ( or as you so aptly stated for myself)
I have a list of people I entend to eat at the point of chaos. :twisted:
Not very Christian of me, is it? :oops:

#74626 by neanderpaul
Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:53 am
Every time band horror stories come up it makes me so grateful for my one man band.

#74629 by ratsass
Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:16 am
Yeah, Neanderpaul, the only thing that can break up your band would be schizophrenia. 8) :lol:

#74633 by neanderpaul
Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:42 am
:lol:

#74634 by ZXYZ
Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:56 am
Yeah, once-upon-a-time, this other guitar player and I used to jam and write music together. People said that we were good. Then we got a drummer, bass player, singer and soundman. We had quite a following after a few years until he got a god complex and wanted to 'call all the shots.'
The End :\ lol.

Nice to meet you Craig.
Sorry I missed your show Paul. (A lot of family drama going on right now)
Good advice J-H, I've heard that before but never really tried it and it works! :D
Looking forward to hearing your originals, Craig!

#74644 by CraigMaxim
Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:42 am
Rats:

LMAO! (all three of me)

Z:

Backatcha brother. And hopefully the songs won't disappoint. After this build-up and a 10 Day countdown on my site, I better put something decent up, huh? I'll be toast if not. (Oops, I made myself nervous. LOL)

J-H:

I need to look forgiveness up in the dictionary and get clarity. I believe that I "forgive" almost the instant someone does something to me. All my life, people have said that I must have zero Karma debt, or similar things, because I always do for others, and I am not vengeful.

Yet, I believe forgiving and "forgetting" are different things. You don't have to "forget" to forgive. I would compare this reality, to someone breaking my arm on purpose. I may "forgive" the assault, but I would not forget quickly, when the pain is an ever-present reminder. You can forgive, but getting over the pain... healing, may take time. And this is natural, not any kind of deficiency. Healing takes time.

But here is a small dilemna: Resentment

Does resentment mean I have not forgiven? I need to meditate on that one. Part of me says yes, but another part says no.

That's a tough call.

You can resent that someone did something harmful and unnecessary, and look upon them differently. This is not wrong in itself. They have shown themselves to be diferent than you first trusted them to be. A Koala bear is cute and cuddly, until it bites you. Then you are cautious after that.

But... you wouldn't "resent" the bear, would you? It was your own shortsightedness that was partially at fault. But then, if resentment is so entrenched that it becomes hatred, then it only serves to hold you back, and it could make you unnecessarily suspicious of completely trustworthy individuals. This then becomes a personal fault, because it has altered your own character. That's not good.

I feel I do forgive, because I feel sorry for someone like that, who doesn't realize what they forsook, and it may very well be the regret of his life later, if I were to become successful on a large scale. On the otherhand, I do think someone should endure the results of their actions. It is often the best teacher. Cause and effect. I did "this" and "that" was the result... hmm... I better not do "this" again. I find that I have some elements of both feelings. But rather than "vengeance" I am feeling "justice" instead, that there should be some form of justice in situations such as these, to learn from and be a deterent. But I also feel pain when I imagine the future. If I were to become very successful, I can imagine the pain he would feel, realizing that he could have shared in that, and I don't desire him to be crushed like that.

It's a conundrum.

I suspect a great deal of nuance and balance is the answer. Too much in one direction leads to personal failings (hatred, lack of trust), but too much in the other leads to another set of problems (not being wiser next time, setting yourself up for more abuse, being delusional even: In acting as if there was no real gravity or harm to the grievous act, when there was)

Maybe the path I already take is the right one after all?

Forgive, but don't forget so quickly.

I suspect that this is the right course, and it seems to maintain the balance I believe is required.

Of course, when I imagine him feeling pain in the future, the requirement is his own self-admission that he made the mistake. But all too often, rather than this rehabilitation, the perpertator often just hates the victim more, continuing to blame them, rather than themselves.

It's entirely possible he would just live his entire life, hating and blaming me, rather than learning anything from the experience.

Sad, but many people are like this.

#74657 by ratsass
Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:07 am
Living well is the best revenge. The guys that I play with mostly as Rat Sass sh*t on me royally on a couple or more occasions. Once they left me loading my equipment after a late night gig, in a bad area of Little Rock, with a bad battery in my van even when I asked if they would stick around to see if it would start. All because of, after years of doing an even split on the money and me owning and hauling and usually setting up the equipment by myself and getting the gigs, I decided to take an extra cut and had told them about it way before the gig. That cut me to the bone, but I don't think they even think about it at all. I'll never forget about it and if something really good comes my way and it's time to put a band together for it, they won't be a part of it. But we still play together now and I don't dwell on it at all. Is that forgiving? I don't know. I just let bygones be bygones, but I'll never set myself up for that with them again.
Craig, I think you'll end up doing the same thing, except you probably won't play with that a$$hole again. Mainly because he's not the caliber musician you need to play with.

#74665 by jw123
Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:20 pm
Craig sorry about all the bull going on for you musically.

Im sure what has happened was meant to be.

Good Luck with your new direction.

John Wilder

#74702 by CraigMaxim
Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:43 pm
Hey John!

Thank you brother!

This is really better for me in many ways. I don't why it's taken me so long to realize that. Well, yes I do. I had clung to a childish dream of a band being "brothers" that work together, climb to the top against all odds, etc...

I'm getting a little old to keep buying into that. And now I have to realize that the trade off could be losing any chance of success in this business, for good. I can't make that trade any longer. I'm running out of time to make a career out of this.

But better late than never.

And I'm finding out it is alot more fun and rewarding doing it this way. My creativitiy is not limited any longer. I don't have to have a guy in the band tell me "I don't like synthesizers, I only like real piano or organ, that's it. So I don't want that little synth hook of yours on the album. It doesn't fit with the band's style."

This one guy in the band has consistently bitched about half my arrangements, or my propensity for genre-bending, mixing elements of other styles into the music, etc...

No more of that.

Musically, I am free again. And writing is something I love, even more than performing.

#74708 by jw123
Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:12 pm
Are you smoking in front of a No Smoking sign?

Shame on you!

#74715 by Kramerguy
Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:55 pm
damn craig, I didn't know any of that stuff was going on .. Sorry to hear the bad apple stole and TM'd your name. It's a hard lesson to learn, but you gotta Copyright and TM every public aspect of yourself anymore, or you are just begging for it.

Glad to see you making lemonade out of the situation. I recall the death of my old band last year actually turned into the best thing that ever happened to me, musically speaking.

We don't know where the wind will carry us, which is really kinda cool, in a philosophical way, but the end result is that sometimes changes are thrust upon us, and little did we realize that we needed it, and wouldn't have made the changes unless it was thrust in that very way.

#74721 by CraigMaxim
Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:07 pm
JW:

Yes, I play fast and loose with the rules. Last time I was in prison, they asked me what I was in for... I told them it was for smoking in front of a no smoking sign, they all just kind of slid down the bench away from me. But that's how I roll bro! LOL


KRAMER:

Profoundly wise, my brother. And you are right, we sometimes grovel in misery and compromise ourselves, trying to maintain something we worked so hard for, when it was either the worst thing for us personally, or had just fulfilled it's course and was time to grow and move on. We all need a little push once in a while... just not off ledges hopefully. :-)

#74747 by philbymon
Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:53 am
Yeah, JW - it's that southern mischief coming through...oooh, that's so awful but I'm gonna leave it here anyway.

#74764 by CraigMaxim
Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:22 am
Yeah Phil that WAS awful. LOL

But it wouldn't have been a complete "welcome back" without it.


Plus... I know you well enough to know this was just a warm up. You missed our little battles didn't you? Ha ha


So...

Ready to admit I was right about Obama? :P


(Oh gawd, there they go again! LOL)

#74773 by gbheil
Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:54 pm
Little battles?
In the profound words of the college girl I heard in the resturant Sunday.
Yea, like, whatever. (this was as close to a full sentence as she could muster) :roll:

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