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#61429 by fisherman bob
Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:25 am
Holy crap your post really got Philbymon going, struck a nerve with him. I agree with most of his points. You've got NOTHING on your profile page that tells a prospective musician to contact you. Your brief comment IS negative. I've auditioned VERY GOOD musicians who were negative and I never played with them. Life is too short to mess around with negativity. Do you have SOMETHING positive to offer? I assume you want to find people to play with, otherwise why create a profile page? Have you written any of your own songs/lyrics? Is there a famous singer you sound like? Is there a main influence in your music world you emulate? You need to put INFPORMATION on your profile page. You need to give people at least some idea of what you're like musically. As far as the family thing that is a decision that only you can make. Only you can decide how much band time versus family time. Maybe your kids are too young right now to do too much music. Maybe you need to get into this music business very gradually. That is up to you, not anybody else. I wish you luck. You may be in an area that has a relatively small population, but there's good musicians everywhere. You may be surprised at your results if you become MORE OPTIMISTIC...

#61545 by excellence
Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:04 pm
As far as me being cheap is concerned my income limitations are none of your business. I don't pretend to be the richest greatest or all powerful in the first place. Another thing criticize me in a better way than telling me I will not make it anywhere. I don't exactly have the ability like a bachelor would to buy every electronic device known to man. I also would LOVE to put a vocal file or photo on here but thanks to whoever invented blackberrys I am unable to at this point. So unless you plan on buying me a pc go shove a spoon up your ass and twirl. I'm not a hateful person I'm not one to bring another person down to my level, so if you being an ass or whatever it is you are trying to be is from your serious insecurity of being an artist then take it somewhere else. If I wanted someone to criticize my parenting I'd call Dr. Phil. And if you had a brain to think with you would know that I didn't ask for your opinion about my parenting skills. I do not intend to argue with you again philby. I agree I have a negative comment. But my opinion of the area I live in doesn't concern people who don't live in this area. If I lived in Vegas I could still be negative and say I hate scorpians and 130 degree summers. I am allowed to speak my opinion just like the rest of you. I plan on collaborating with a wonderful musician here and I will get you some clips. I'm sorry if that irritates you all that I don't have that on the profile. Maybe I will win the lottery and get a computer. Ugh good luck with that since wyoming doesn't have a lottery. Yes more negativity! I miss lottery scratch offs.

#61548 by philbymon
Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:34 pm
But, can you tell me how being from St Louis makes you more able to "work a stage?" Is it a magical place? Does everyone from there have that skill, possibly acquired through osmosis?

LOL

I know I came off being rough, but I don't understand how you can think you are attracting other musos with negativity & obvious inexperience, combined with concerns about the stardom/parenting problems & your inflated ego.

I believe that, if you look at my posts again, you'll have a very hard time finding where I told you that you will not make it anywhere. I said that you are getting a late start, & you are. I said that you are putting up stumbling blocks to your success, & you are. I said that your family needs you more than you need a musical career, & they do. I said that you should invest in your choice of career, & you should. I think I was being quite helpful in my rather callous way, but helpful, just the same.

I tried to give you good advice, based upon that which you showed me thus far. It makes no difference to me whether or not you decide to take that advice. I'm not living your life for you. You asked for help on a subject, & I went wide of that subject, I'll admit, but I was/am trying to help you.

For heaven's sake, your original question isn't one that anyone can answer for you. Surely you know that. I didn't tell you to give up on your dream, did I? NO! I told you how to better achieve it, by improving your approach to life's problems, by not insulting the very ppl you are trying to contact, by getting the necessary experience through ways that I even listed out for you, in plain & simple English. Get a plan that gives you some sort of promise or quit trying, but don't blubber about how tough it is. It's tough for everyone.

One of our collegues just left or is just leaving his home & hearth, his little children & young wife, to tour, to get the necessary experience, to further his goals. He's put quite a lot on the line to achieve what he wants out of life. He's been honing his skills for years at the local level. He's invested in the equipment that he'll need to go onto this next step. He's put in the time & effort & investment to be successful.

I tried that a few years ago, myself, & so have many many others here in the forums. Some of us are on the way up, while others are just hanging out, having done about as much as we're gonna do, but all of us are in a position to give you useful advice, based upon our own experiences.

You wanna do great? You wanna learn how? Follow the exploits of Neanderpaul over the last several months in the general forum. Watch the posts about what JW123's been doing to advertise his band & entertain the audience. Watch how Crip2nite has overcome his trials & tribulations to get the gigs, keep the gigs, & to hold the bands together. Jimmydanger, Ryan Strain, ZXYZ, Paleopete, getZip, fisherman bob, etc etc etc - all working in music, or working on getting back into it, & trying hard.

Look at these ppl. They are DRIVEN to accomplish things. When they have problems, they deal with them & move on. They do NOT drive the potential bandmates away with negativity. They do NOT brag about their skills, which are patently obvious if you listen to the music on their profiles. Nor do they find it necessary to inflate them.

Get real & either do it or don't, but whatever you do, don't tell me you have a gazillion reasons to fail, cuz we ALL have them. What are your reasons to give it your all? THAT's what you should be advertising, when you don't have the experience to get the job.

I do wish you the best, & hope that you can find a way to produce it.

#61549 by gbheil
Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:35 pm
Holy crap lady! Dont even ask next time. Some of that cold wyoming air must have gotten into your blood. GEZZ! :roll:

#61634 by excellence
Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:35 pm
Ugh I feel defeated lol. Maybe I come off as a raging bitch, and philby thank you. I guess I needed that kick in the butt. But next time don't be so, er, rough around the edges I guess is the term I want to use. Maybe I am a little old to jump in right now, but its not like I'm completely decrepid. Maybe ill get a nice face lift lol then ill be like joan rivers, young forever. Feel free to give me another swift kick in the butt

#61637 by philbymon
Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:03 am
No worries. m'lady. We all get that down feeling occasionally. I've been known to whine a bit meself...(but I do try to not do it in print, where it's there, forever imprinted on my reader's minds).

Best thing right now is to back up & look at what you want, then determine how to attract the ppl that will help you. You can do it if you're driven enough, creative enough, & lucky enough.

Stay on the forums, & watch what goes on here. There are some amazing things happening for some of us, & some of us are just floundering. Luck has a big part to play in it, for sure, but there are many many things one can do to improve one's luck.

Okay, everybody - GROUP HUG!

LOL

#61672 by gbheil
Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:48 pm
Now I am confusted. Perhaps it oldtimers disease. :lol:

Excellence, your profile said you are 23?

Hell I've got grown children older that that.

Age has nothing to do with it IMO.

Reach out and grab the brass ring !!

#61682 by Starfish Scott
Sun Mar 29, 2009 3:40 pm
ARE YOU SO COMPUTER ILLITERATE THAT YOU ARE UNAWARE THAT ONE USES A COMPUTER TO UPLOAD PHOTOS AND MUSIC?

(Throw your blackberry in the garbage, along with your ALTITUDE ATTITUDE)

Mine is bad, but yours is inoperable.

Someone told me once, THINK what you want. SAY and WRITE subsequently less. I can be guilty of not doing this, but you are way up over the top and working without the aid of the NET.

I fear your injuries after your fall will be quite significant, albeit mental.
#62200 by RaneVox
Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:16 pm
Philbymon, I just wanted to thank you for the constructive criticism you gave the lass at the start of this thread. I had only been here a short while (days perhaps) but it got me re-thinking myself, and how my profile could be more informative, open, and realistic in terms of expectations for potential bands. I acted on it and lo and behold I got a bite. Not just a bite, a whopping big one, with a band whose sound I adore! I am having a go, and seeing where this takes me. Thanks, love. You're a star! :wink:

#62202 by philbymon
Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:52 pm
Glad things are working out for you. Rane! It's always good to hear the success stories.

#62208 by gbheil
Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:50 pm
Ok is Phil running against Bob for president now?

#62236 by philbymon
Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:30 am
Omg not in THIS lifetime, sans! You can have it, bob!

WAY too many skeletons in my closet!

Besides...who in their right mind would want something like that? I know I don't!


Btw - Rane, you did an excellent job on your profile. All you need is a better recording & it'll be perfect! Very nice indeed! You put a lot of thought into that one, & I can see how you made it work for yourself.

Good luck with your new band project.
#62305 by RaneVox
Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:19 pm
Thanks. I'm still getting used to this new MIC and software but I'm sure I'll get a cleaner output eventually :) Cool thing is the band records at a studio and they seem to be better at mixing than me :o maybe I can learn something new :wink:

Thanks again for your invaluable advice even if it was indirectly.. the best ripple effect I've seen in a while 8)
#62322 by Hayden King
Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:17 pm
RaneVox wrote:Thanks. I'm still getting used to this new MIC and software but I'm sure I'll get a cleaner output eventually :) Cool thing is the band records at a studio and they seem to be better at mixing than me :o maybe I can learn something new :wink:

Thanks again for your invaluable advice even if it was indirectly.. the best ripple effect I've seen in a while 8)


records at a studio... sounds like you fell into the honey pot.
Love it while ya got it, everything is fleeting in music nowadays...

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#62360 by RaneVox
Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:13 pm
Ey up Hayden, love. It's not like that really, kinda standard for bands to rent studio space to practise and record demos here (I've just never had to mix and manage recordings before). Think it's the general lack of a good cellar (or cellar at all for that matter) in this country :lol: Lots of stone and brick houses with solid concrete first floors or if you have a cellar it's small and/or damp that kills. Would be brill if I had a cellar like people have in the midwest USA, warm, cosy, setees all round, telly, bar, 'pool' table .. I'd love that. Save a few quid definitely.

Thanks for your good wishes. It really is all about enjoying the music. :wink:

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