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#57371 by repressthecadence
Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:41 am
whitesight wrote:Hey,

Yeah, I've gotten that remark before. I can assure all of you, we are deffinately not neo-nazis !

And about the return of classic heavy metal.. all I have to say about that is: hell yeah. I'm sick and tired of these modern screamo bands with satanic lyrics giving me a head-ache(ie: kataclysm, slip knot, silverstein). Time to put singers back where they should be: taking singing lessons.

By the way, I might be a young dude, but my favorite animated movie of all time is Heavy Metal(1981)! Some friends of my dad's actually worked on it and the sound track is great!

Zakk

Careful about how you go round throwing daggers at other people's music. I'm guilty of it, too. First of all, "screamo" isn't bad if you listen to right stuff. Second, Silverstein and Slipknot are completely different bands. Shane Teal actually has a pretty good singing voice if you listen to some of the better stuff. Also, Slipknot isn't even "screamo." No offense intended on my saying this, man, but that comment makes you sound like a guy who hasn't realized that good music continues to exist beyond the scope of the 1980s, and a bit like one of those "Hate emo for the sake of hating emo" people. That "emo" music scene has spawned a lot of great bands that people sadly overlook because of a stupid negative stigma surrounding the subculture.

Further, you don't need singing lessons to be a good singer. Some people have a natural gift for it. I'm not trained as a vocalist, and I've got a pretty good voice, and my listeners, fans, and friends agree. And I'm not the only one.

#57389 by whitesight
Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:20 pm
Didn't mean to hate on you guys, just voicing an opinion. But wait, isn't voicing an opinion politically incorrect in today's day and age? Seriously, if someone wants to hate on what I listen to ... why not? As long as it's an intelligent discussion. Go ahead for all I care, forums are made for that.

Now I have to admit my comment might not have been as clear as I wanted it to be. The problem I have with these modern singers who scream and growl is basically that in a historical point it's NEVER going to be considered mainstream. People not used to listening to stuff like that just say WTF??? as soon as they listen to a song. Also, I find that it's because of music like that that young kids don't really like rock/metal and rather suck up to any rap artist who can think of a catchy verse. You ask a young kid: "Hey, do you like heavy metal" and then they say something along the lines of "Oh you mean the stuff where the singer goes like RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!! ??" I don't know about you but I'm sick and tired of hearing that.

And, yes I like the 80s but I also like some modern bands and let me give you a very short list of modern metal bands I like: Angra, Shaaman, Axel Rudi Pell, Dragonforce, Hammerfall and Sonata Artica. Indeed these are all European bands, I can't seem to find any North American bands to my taste so if anyone has any suggestions... please tell me!

About singing lessons, why don't you tell that to the millions of American Idol wannabees who get refused every year thinking that they can actually sing and yet have little to no training.

Cheers!

#57392 by Kramerguy
Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:36 pm
Hey White, I assume they are american bands, but Seether seems to have a few good songs, "fine again" is really good.

Godsmack and Puddle of mudd also have some of the more tolerable modern rock. A lot of people seem to like Disturbed, but it's just not my thing.

I remember back in the 80's when metal started to fragment. At first it was all metallica, judas priest, iron maiden, each with their own take on metal, but all still lumped together - then "death metal" like Slayer came in, and much like screamo today, metal fans of that time mostly rejected it.

so, sure, screamo will always be a valid form of music, but at the same time, it will always be a sub-genre, and the purists will mostly hate on it.

Personally I can't stand screamo, the vocals just annoy me to no end, so I hear what you are saying, but I can't 'hate' on it so much as just choose not to listen to it.

Ryan does some pretty hardcore screamo, and I don't care for it, but I still respect him as a musician, and enjoy discussions here with him.

#57394 by repressthecadence
Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:48 pm
@Whitesight: When you get down to opinionated discussions like that, it can turn nasty pretty fast, and no one gains any ground, because opinions are only that. While you can make recommendations and suggestions, that doesn't mean they're going to listen to you. For example, I happen to think Dragonforce is a pile of rot, because they can't do live what they do in the studio. They use a drum machine in their studio albums. I think that's lame.

Also, I don't care if something's considered mainstream. In fact, I shun much of the mainstream, popular music culture. It's retarded, put frankly. There's a niche for all kinds of music, and screaming vocals are catered to the tastes of the people that enjoy them. These musicians aren't necessarily about making the most catchy phrases or progressions, and actually have a lot more musical versatility than just the screaming that far too many people can't seem to get past. Also, it might be my environment, but I don't know a soul who doesn't enjoy some form of rock to some small degree.

About your issue with North American bands: Dream Theater and Between the Buried and Me. BTBAM does screaming, but musically they'll blow your mind. And a metal fan such as yourself should be familiar with DT.

Don't ever use American Idol as an example about singing. That's a reality show, and half of those poor singers on there go there because they know they're bad and want to be on TV. AI puts the garbage on there because they know they're going to get viewers that way. Also, I sing better than most of those goons, and many signed artists, thanks very much.

#57396 by Hayden King
Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:03 pm
to me screamo is no different than the dog barking vocals in death metal. they're both like slap bass. it's like taking a certain riff and trying to turn it into it's own style & genre. You can say it is, but it's severely limited in scope.

I think I'll just write every song just like Incarnant.... from now on every song I write will have an instantanious start, a fast strum pattern, and a quick stop/quick fade ending!

I'll call it... quick rock... yeah, quick rock... I'm a fukn genius :twisted:


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#57402 by gtZip
Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:29 pm
Right, screamo isnt half bad. It's all bad.

It's not about taste. It isnt about 'not getting it'. It's just ridiculous and annoying.
Only good for rebellious teens that want to irritate the hell out of those around them.
It's fun to make up your own lyrics to the scream sounds though :)

p.s. I'm not interested in any rebutal. I'm right, you're not.
lol, have a great day everyone :D

#57403 by Hayden King
Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:33 pm
gtZip wrote:Right, screamo isnt half bad. It's all bad.

It's not about taste. It isnt about 'not getting it'. It's just ridiculous and annoying.
Only good for rebellious teens that want to irritate the hell out of those around them.
It's fun to make up your own lyrics to the scream sounds though :)

p.s. I'm not interested in any rebutal. I'm right, you're not.
lol, have a great day everyone :D


Man that was beautiful... I think I'm gonna cry now. excuse me..... :oops:

#57417 by whitesight
Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:14 pm
gtZip wrote:Right, screamo isnt half bad. It's all bad.

It's not about taste. It isnt about 'not getting it'. It's just ridiculous and annoying.
Only good for rebellious teens that want to irritate the hell out of those around them.
It's fun to make up your own lyrics to the scream sounds though :)

p.s. I'm not interested in any rebutal. I'm right, you're not.
lol, have a great day everyone :D


That was EPIC ! hahaha

To repress: I get what your saying. And yes there are lots of death bands that make great melodies... but but then as soon as the singer starts his thing I'm like :( ... like a major let-down. To me it just puts down the whole musicality of the song. I'm not saying a singer has to necessairily sing like Bruce Dickenson to be great, because I like so many other singers from other time periods(Hendrix, Dio, Ozzy, Benetar, Plant, Coverdale to name a few)

Yeah, I've heard of Dream Theatre... although I haven't heard enough of their material. There ya go, I'll check them out tonight.

Oh and I wasnt aware of Dragonforce recording with digital drums! :shock:

#57469 by repressthecadence
Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:31 am
gtZip wrote:Right, screamo isnt half bad. It's all bad.

It's not about taste. It isnt about 'not getting it'. It's just ridiculous and annoying.
Only good for rebellious teens that want to irritate the hell out of those around them.
It's fun to make up your own lyrics to the scream sounds though :)

p.s. I'm not interested in any rebutal. I'm right, you're not.
lol, have a great day everyone :D

Good because you're about to get a big rebuttal. =D

It is a completely viable type of vocals, and like it or not, it's probably going to be around for a few more years. Deal with it. If you don't like it, don't listen to it, but don't bash, toss around stupid labels like "rebellious teens."

It may be ridiculous and annoying to you, but you don't count for a flying fork in the world of music. There's no right or wrong in music, and that's the beauty of it. That's why there's so much of it. I'd hate it if everything sounded catered to one idea of "good."

P.S. Nice troll

#57470 by whitesight
Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:53 am
FINALLY some action in here :D

#57471 by gbheil
Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:04 am
:roll: To each his own I suppose.
Disco DJ anyone ?

#57478 by gtZip
Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:53 am
repressthecadence wrote:
gtZip wrote:Right, screamo isnt half bad. It's all bad.

It's not about taste. It isnt about 'not getting it'. It's just ridiculous and annoying.
Only good for rebellious teens that want to irritate the hell out of those around them.
It's fun to make up your own lyrics to the scream sounds though :)

p.s. I'm not interested in any rebutal. I'm right, you're not.
lol, have a great day everyone :D

Good because you're about to get a big rebuttal. =D

It is a completely viable type of vocals, and like it or not, it's probably going to be around for a few more years. Deal with it. If you don't like it, don't listen to it, but don't bash, toss around stupid labels like "rebellious teens."

It may be ridiculous and annoying to you, but you don't count for a flying fork in the world of music. There's no right or wrong in music, and that's the beauty of it. That's why there's so much of it. I'd hate it if everything sounded catered to one idea of "good."

P.S. Nice troll


Ya, well I reckon theres a small percentage of people in the world that think turds are good to eat.
Disco was considered a completely viable form of music for a little while.

I count for 3 and 1/4 forks in the world of music. It used to be 5 forks, but the economy has gone downhill.

It might be intersting to set up a opinion poll on screamo.
:)

#57520 by Andragon
Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:32 pm
Don't like the vocals, but the rhythm section sounds tight. Wish I was back home. Wherebout in Montreal? Southshore? Downtown? closer to Sherbrooke?

#57535 by repressthecadence
Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:08 pm
gtZip wrote:
repressthecadence wrote:
gtZip wrote:Right, screamo isnt half bad. It's all bad.

It's not about taste. It isnt about 'not getting it'. It's just ridiculous and annoying.
Only good for rebellious teens that want to irritate the hell out of those around them.
It's fun to make up your own lyrics to the scream sounds though :)

p.s. I'm not interested in any rebutal. I'm right, you're not.
lol, have a great day everyone :D

Good because you're about to get a big rebuttal. =D

It is a completely viable type of vocals, and like it or not, it's probably going to be around for a few more years. Deal with it. If you don't like it, don't listen to it, but don't bash, toss around stupid labels like "rebellious teens."

It may be ridiculous and annoying to you, but you don't count for a flying fork in the world of music. There's no right or wrong in music, and that's the beauty of it. That's why there's so much of it. I'd hate it if everything sounded catered to one idea of "good."

P.S. Nice troll


Ya, well I reckon theres a small percentage of people in the world that think turds are good to eat.
Disco was considered a completely viable form of music for a little while.

I count for 3 and 1/4 forks in the world of music. It used to be 5 forks, but the economy has gone downhill.

It might be intersting to set up a opinion poll on screamo.
:)

And it's their God-given right to eat their own excrement if they so choose.

Still no flying forks though, m i rite? That's what I thought.

I'd like to see that poll.

#57542 by gtZip
Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:35 pm
Oh yeah... nope, no 'flying' forks.
Sorry. 8)

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