General Music Chat

haha... I just answered my own question of .. how to finally explain this to you all.... lol

Ok... here it is in MUCH BETTER SIMPLICITY...

I will create for you a carbon copy of bandmix... AND charge the membership fees in EXACTLY the same manner as bandmix. I will give you absolutely everything for FREE that bandmix is giving you... and charge you $10/month for replying to emails (you can receive them for FREE).

In short... a carbon copy of bandmix........ BUT...

Because I am trying to actually help you people... this is what I will do... (I don't have to... but I will). From all the membership fees collected... I will take 50% of those membership fees and offer it back to you members. I will literally call you on the phone... and give you money.

Like I said... I don't have to share my site revenue with you... anymore than bandmix does... but I will.... simply because... I am trying to help you people achieve some financial backup to better achieve your goals.

This has nothing to do with whether I can afford FREE subscriptions... that is so far out there and indepandant of the entire idea to begin with... that it doesn't even make sense. FREE membership... hell yes... I can give you FREE membership no problem... I mean really... how difficult is that? But your all missing the point.

Some of you seem to have this all backwards somehow... lol... Its not that the primary purpose of the site is based on buying people stuff ... and that I have to buy some things for free members to catch the attention of other musicians. Thats the opposite of what I am suggesting....

What I am saying is.... I am the type of person who will share its membership fees collected... and "IF" I receive some... ok... I will be a nice freaking guy... realize that the reason why I have money... is because of my members... and in respect to that fact... I will take some of those membership fees and help you people out financially.

Plus.... consider this logically...

Who better for a musician to link themselves with than a Label who signs solo artists? I'm thinking thats a direct link for a musician to get themselves in a working band. Not to mention... look right here in Bandmix... If I hung around here long enough and did my homework.. over time I just may find enough members right here in bandmix alone to sign to a deal... a complete band looking for each other on one site.

Us asking you to offer a 'trial' or introductory service is not asking you to "Work your ass off for free", in fact, by your own description of your service, you do NOTHING for the musicians, other than hook them up with an audition with a signed artist (by you) if they happen to be in a relatively close location. Great for the artist.. they get a pool of musicians to choose from and a label to represent them, all at the expense of the musicians who don't make the cut.

Doesn't sound too good for the musicians who don't make the cuts though...

A trial service of WHAT Kramer???? You want a trial version of Bandmix? Is that what your saying???

Thats all i'm offering you is ... another bandmix site... BUT... unlike bandmix... I will take the membership fees collected ... and be nice enough to actually show some respect for the people who put money in my pocket.... and put some money back in theirs.

Is that what you want an example of Kramer? Not a problem... sign up... pay the 10 bucks per month.... and I will do my best to get you in a working band... and... I will also... in repect to you putting money in "my" pocket... I will put money in "yours".

Absolutely Kramer.. I can give you a trial run of the entire service... simply signup and you'll receive your trial run in full production.

Ok.... let me take the very first step in trying to reach a compromise..... how about this deal???

Join my Forum for FREE... (no cost to you at any time).... AND.... I will promise in return for the membership... that I will try to hire those on my site first before looking to other FREE sites for musicians.

Lets keep this logical... I am in the perfect position to need musicians. All I have to do is sign a solo artist... and presto... I will need musicians.

In addition... I will organize another part of the site for membership upgrade... which you have the FREE option to take advantage of... or ignore should you feel its a waste of your time. Which I will use to try to create other opportunities for those participating.

Fair enough????

... Alan.

As I pointed out... webmasters usually receive membership fees from its members... and pretty much laughs all the way to bank with lots of cash. While at the same time... there are people on their sites ... the very people who are lining the pockets of these webmasters.... who are going without... struggling.... and are in great need of financial assistance.

I want to be able to call my members... and offer them this financial assistance. I want to be able to call you people up on the phone and say... "Hey... thank you for being a member of my site.... please tell me... what do you need?"

If you tell me that your guitar is in bad shape... no problem... lets get you another one.. I will pay for it. If you have a band together but can't afford that Music Hall... no problem.... I will literally give you the money for it. If your internet connection is going to be shut off.... hahahaha... like hell it is... here is the money you need. I will give it to you.

If you people are paying a membership fee... and putting money in "my" pocket... there is no reason in hell why I can't call you people up and offer you some financial assistance in return. I don't want to be like the other webmasters... who laughs his way to the bank with wads of cash... while there is a member on my freakin site going hungry.

I want to help you people. I honestly truely want to help. But I can't do all this alone. There is no way I can buy a bunch of stuff for people just to show that I care enough to do exactly that... buy you things.

"IF" your going to pay a membership fee at any site... then I ask... consider paying "me" that same membership fee. So that I will have the opportunity to call you up on the phone... and ask you what you need. And once you tell me .... I will help you.

Asking me to offer FREE subscriptions... that has nothing to do with what I am trying to offer. This isn't about buiding a website. Screw the website. This is about caring about people enough to try to work out a system of helping.

However... the website is an added tool to further get you's out there in a working band in addition to the financial assistance I am hoping to offer you's for your membership. The website is another way for you's to network... and have yourself found by others... while at the same time... I will be working to get you out there as well.

... Alan

Where did you get the idea that I have no capital? Who told you that? Just because I won't line your pockets with it for FREE... doesn't mean I don't have it.

Don't take things for granted Kramer... lets stick to the facts. Such as.... you want me to fill your pockets with opportunites... while at the same time... your too damn cheap to pay me 10 bucks for it.

You want everything handed to you on a silver platter.... for FREE. You want FREE Bandmix... FREE craiglist... FREE myspace.... FREE this and FREE that... and great for you... have it all....

But... if you want real opportunities... that will cost you money... or simply stated... go without.

I had to assume you had no capital by your own admission that you can't afford ONE free trial account (Hayden) in good faith to make believers of us.

I never once stated implicitly or otherwise that I wanted you to do anything for me. In fact, I believe from your answers that you want me to do things for you. 1. be available to back up an artist you may sign in the future, and 2. pay you money.

You can't turn the dime on me saying I want everything on a silver platter. As I said - I paid my dues. I worked my ass off and have yet to break even on my music ventures. It will happen, of course, because I worked hard, worked smart, and networked my ass off. I paid personal time, gear upgrades, and playing shows for free to get exposure. I created my own damn opportunities, and now you are ehre accusing me of being a free-loader when I question having to PAY for more opportunities, yet I can't find anything you offer as an opportunity... it's more like false hope and 1 cent dreams. I live in the real world.

And did you pay craigslist for the ads you put up? I doubt it. You are a piece of work accusing me of wanting things on a silver platter, yet you use the same damn FREE tools everyone else does. But what separates us from each other is that I'm not here asking people to give me money for vague services that can't possibly pan out as they stand.

Did you ever hear of shareware? Do you understand that bandmix included, every site out there offers a portion of their services for free, as a "try before you buy" business model? Like it or not, that's the model you are directly competing with... so if you don't want to play ball on that field, don't be surprised to find the rest of us in another stadium.

Us asking you to offer a 'trial' or introductory service is not asking you to "Work your ass off for free", in fact, by your own description of your service, you do NOTHING for the musicians, other than hook them up with an audition with a signed artist (by you) if they happen to be in a relatively close location. Great for the artist.. they get a pool of musicians to choose from and a label to represent them, all at the expense of the musicians who don't make the cut.

Doesn't sound too good for the musicians who don't make the cuts though...

A trial service of WHAT Kramer???? You want a trial version of Bandmix? Is that what your saying???

Thats all i'm offering you is ... another bandmix site... BUT... unlike bandmix... I will take the membership fees collected ... and be nice enough to actually show some respect for the people who put money in my pocket.... and put some money back in theirs.

Is that what you want an example of Kramer? Not a problem... sign up... pay the 10 bucks per month.... and I will do my best to get you in a working band... and... I will also... in repect to you putting money in "my" pocket... I will put money in "yours".

Absolutely Kramer.. I can give you a trial run of the entire service... simply signup and you'll receive your trial run in full production.

Honestly, I don't need your services. I think you should give Hayden the trial run, and he will report back to the rest of us. Fine by me.

No .. I can't afford to rent a music hall for someone at a cost of $1500 just to show you that in fact I will do exactly that. Its not that I don't have the $1500... its that I can afford to do that for 100 people on a bunch of FREE subscriptions just so you can see that I would buy people these things. I mean christ man... lets be serious here.

Would you like it Kramer If I called you on the phone and asked you what you needed? And once I heard what that was... would you like for me to buy it for you... simply out of respect that you are a member of my site?

This doesn't have anything to do with using or not using free services such as bandmix or craiglist... this has to do with.... I WANT TO BUY YOU THINGS. Damnit man. I am trying to care enough for whatever situation you may be in... to put money IN YOUR POCKET.

But your asking me.... to put money in the pockets of hundreds of people FIRST to prove that I will... before you will give me the honest chance of helping you.

You have paid memberships fees in the past (I think you said) and i'm sure received great benefits from the site. Thats great. But you also .. by paying a membership fee... put money in the pocket of the webmaster.

Did he call you on the phone to see if you were ok? Did the webmaster care enough about you to find out if "YOU" needed anything? And did he actually provide you with any financial assistance to help you in your current need?

The answer is likely.... NO HE DIDN'T.

Instead... he likely laughed his way to the bank with a wad of cash... while he had members on his site in need of real help. Not just a damn website to play with... but i'm talking about... real financial help.

This is NUTS. I mean really freakin NUTS.

Some of you are actually paying bandmix $10/month just so you can send a damn email... I mean really... lmao... a simple little email... BUT... I am having trouble convincing you's to give me that very same $10/month.... so I will have the opportunity to buy you a new guitar... or send you to the studio (at no extra cost to you).

I sincerely give up.

... Alan.

Err, ahh, no. I pay Bandmix because I like what they are doing here.
I built our Band here. I have made friends here. I have learened musical skills and technique here. I have made venue contacts here.
I like it here. If someone were to offer something simular. I would probably check it out for myself.
No personal offense intended, but do not expect me to trust by word of mouth any man alive other than Jesus himself. I do not. Nor will I ever.

Err, ahh, no. I pay Bandmix because I like what they are doing here.
I built our Band here. I have made friends here. I have learened musical skills and technique here. I have made venue contacts here.
I like it here. If someone were to offer something simular. I would probably check it out for myself.
No personal offense intended, but do not expect me to trust by word of mouth any man alive other than Jesus himself. I do not. Nor will I ever.

Exactly... I understand what your saying... and your completely correct. My goal is offer the exact environment as you enjoy here. I very much agree to its importance.

While also... offering to respect you in return by helping you out financially.

I don't want to insult bandmix... or put it down.. especially where it has helped so many people... However....

Lets say for example there are 100 people paying bandmix $10/month in membership fees... thats putting $1000 a month in bandmix's pocket. All i'm saying is... why can't bandmix call you on the phone... and ask you if you need anything... and work to help you? If you need a new guitar.. why can't bandmix give you the money for it. I mean really... where did bandmix get the money in the first place if not from you? So if you need a new guitar... why can't bandmix help you?

Bandmix is pocketing money... while at the same time... offering no financial assistance to the very people who are putting the money in bandmix's pocket in the first place.

All i'm suggesting is... a site like bandmix... same type of environment... same type of opportunities ... while NOT turning my back on the people who are lining my pockets.

I know its not common for a website to beg you to take some money back... lol... and i'm sure its confusing the hell out of you people ... lol. But thats what I am doing....

... I'm asking you... if you pay me a membership fee... will you let me give some of that money back to my members so that they will have some financial backup in their goals?

However... like I said... lol.. I sincerly give up.

It simply is not the way it's done my friend.
As I have stated before. (and I always get labled as some Christian right wing nut job. Yes I am thank you)
The seven deadly sins prevail, only to await the pale horse.

Your idea is akin to my own. To run a health care company based on profit sharing and respect. Not GREED.

If you are sincere there is no way you can "give up".
Any more than I intend to march lock step with the new evil empire.

It simply is not the way it's done my friend.
As I have stated before. (and I always get labled as some Christian right wing nut job. Yes I am thank you)
The seven deadly sins prevail, only to await the pale horse.

Your idea is akin to my own. To run a health care company based on profit sharing and respect. Not GREED.

If you are sincere there is no way you can "give up".
Any more than I intend to march lock step with the new evil empire.

I'm not giving up on the idea... just giving up on trying to explain it to people who obviously are not interested.

And your right.... its not how things are done... at least... not normally. But... I am working on changing that.

Those who join my site... and pay me a membership fee... they can depend on the FACT that I will call them... and sincerely ask them what they need. And when they tell me... I will buy it for them.

Its that simple... becuase if you are nice enough to put money in "my" pocket... then I will work my ass off to damn well put money in "yours"

Maybe the rest of the planet doesn't work that way... but thats the way I work.

... Alan.

ok Mike Wills aka Alan

watta fukn nutcase!

ok Mike Wills aka Alan

watta fukn nutcase!

And you base your comments on what Hayden? You were childish enough to offer such a label of reference... now be man enough to explain them.

I find it amazing how some of you people.. when you don't agree with an idea.. or a situation... you so easily retort to insults.

I have stated that i'm not here looking for negativity... if you don't like what I am offering... then move on. There is nothing left for us to talk about.

But to sit there and offer needless insults... what the hell is that about? Apprently .... your looking for an argruement. If thats what your looking for ... than be man enough to explain that... and I will accomodate you.

If you want to agrue... fine... lets do exactly that. But I would prefer you keep your ignorance to yourself so that I may do the same.

I don't want to insult you people... its NOT what you deserve. I'm asking that you offer me the same respect... as its not what I deserve either.

But... if you prefer otherwise... yes... I will most definately accomodate you. Pick a thread... and lets get started.

... Alan.